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What is hyperspace

shpongle1987

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I have had countless debates with my friends after doing drugs that induce hyperspace contact. I feel the best way for me to reach hyperspace is through smoking dmt or taking 3-4th plateau dxm doses. I feel that hyperspace is a REAL place but i feel that humans are not supposed to inhabit this space, or at least not supposed to until we die. I feel hyperspace could be described as entering a different dimension....or maybe entering/vibrating at higher frequency then the one we vibrate on rite now. I do not think this it is purely drug made and fake, i think by using drugs that enter you into "hyperspace" you are really just alerting your self to the point of being able to see something that is supposed to be hidden to you, kind of like cheating in the game of life. Although ive been to hyperspace many times for some reason the most intense realizations i have while in hyperspace (the realizations that make u say oh well i just solved the question of the life) i cannot remember them at all, i describe it almost as my brain wont let me remember it due to it supposed to being a universal "Secret". Also thats another question I have. I feel that the brain when faced with very complex life changing information when tripping sometimes turns itself off almost working as a defense mechanism due to the fact that human brains just cant handle heavy information.
 
If you're asking any questions, can you please clarify what they are? I'm not seeing any in there.

I feel that hyperspace is a REAL place but i feel that humans are not supposed to inhabit this space, or at least not supposed to until we die. I feel hyperspace could be described as entering a different dimension....or maybe entering/vibrating at higher frequency then the one we vibrate on rite now. I do not think this it is purely drug made and fake, i think by using drugs that enter you into "hyperspace" you are really just alerting your self to the point of being able to see something that is supposed to be hidden to you, kind of like cheating in the game of life.

You imply using words such as 'hidden' and 'supposed' that this space was designed/created, why do you believe this? Also your real vs fake scenario seems off to me, certainly the things you experience on DMT or high dose dissociatives are as real as everything else we experience insofar as they are projections created by our minds. But to believe they are physically/mentally/spiritually existing places beyond that doesn't really seem rational.
 
Im sorry it was sloppily written....im my main question is do you think hyperspace is a real physical place or is it completley made up by the brain as a sort of synthetic playground for the mind?
 
In the context of drug experiences "hyperspace" is arguably a redundant term so long as it is analogous with "breakthrough". I think it was originally coined to describe DMT experiences where hyperspatial perception (beyond 3D) occurs. It's not something that happens often with DMT (and I've never heard it reported outside of DMT experiences), but there are nevertheless many reports of it. For instance, this one (at the top Erowid notes it's 5-MeO-DMT and LSD, however I think this is a classification mistake as 5-MeO is never mentioned in the text, only DMT).

Here's a quote:
i am impossible geometry
being schlanged
by impossible geometry.

i am the hypercube-4D-tesseract
being fucked by a klein bottle
inside of a sideways figure eight

I think unfamiliarity with the spatial connotations of hyperspace in the drug community resulted in a lot of people hearing it and assuming it was a synonym of "breakthrough experience". "Hyperspace" is arguably more precisely used, then, as a subtype of breakthrough experience. A breakthrough experience describes a massive, most often sudden, qualitative shift in the experience of a drug. It is qualitatively different than being at a standard plus +++, but is not necessarily a plus ++++ (technically, a breakthrough could happen at a + or ++ as well, but usually happens at high doses). On this understanding, Shulgin's description of a plus ++++ is also a subtype of breakthrough experience (a massive qualitative shift to a sense of love and universal unity). Even the term breakthrough is not always used this way to describe drug experiences -- someone might say they broke through to the fourth plateau on DXM, even though the forth plateau is supposed to be an experience consistently accessible purely as a function of dose -- but I think it's the closest single term we have to get at the concept.

I've experienced hyperspace only twice, with both times involving a mix of DMT and salvia. The first time I experienced it I basically mumbled "impossible" over and over for about 5 minutes because I never imagined a perceptual system evolved and matured in three-dimensional space could ever produce a genuine extra-dimensional perception (it's impossible for me to imagine now, but during it the recognition was overwhelming, even having known little about extra-space at the time). I do believe hyperspace to be the work our perceptual systems under special highly exotic conditions, just the same, and not an independently existing realm (this is not to say extra-spatial realities don't exist, just that I don't believe our minds are "transported" to them by drugs).

One of the more complete discussions having to do with independently existing realms (hyperspatial or not) being accessed by drugs can be found in the thread Salvia, the Conveyor Belt & Other Common Themes. The essential rationale for the belief that an independent realm is accessed by salvia is the fascinating overlap between surprisingly specific trip themes between different users. I remain skeptical, but the confluence of reports between salvia users is the best evidence I've seen yet.
 
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