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What is human nature? v. And are we innately evil?

I do understand. However we are talking about homo sapiens and our current issues. Also not all species get the chance to evolve into other species. See the next plague, Ice age or meteor strike etc.
And of course the sun eventually takes the earth out.
 
I seem to recall someone saying, "When you think about the vast ways humans can experience suffering, we aren't really that lucky."

Whichever one of you said that has kept me awake ever since.

But on flipside I think we can experience a satisfaction and sense of fulfilment that others don't. Our awareness is our iron maiden and our cushy hammock.
 
Logically I would think it comes down to balance. Ratio of suffering to satisfaction. If we were stronger than our fears then one would choose freely on this. Somehow it came to me in my life that we should let each other be. Each to make their own decisions. (as long of course as one does not physically infringe on another) life in general seems to be that humans want others to do and believe how they believe.
This seems like a fatal flaw in our species and will forever leave us in turmoil. If one was to believe in evil this for me would be it.
 
Jealous isn't the term I'd use, but yes, both. We have a unique sense of self that is both rewarding and terrifying. I envy my cat. I don't know if our sense of selfhood is a good thing or aberration.
 
Honestly, I can't bring myself to agree with the whole "ignorance is bliss" idea. I try to find knowledge or realizations liberating rather than disappointing...

I apologize for the redundancy! I've tried not to think too much about whether or not I'm a pessimist or an optimist.
 
This just seemed to fit in here. It would fit in the thread about death as well. And Life's best kept secrets (if that thread were actually living up to its title). What an all-purpose poem! But one of my favorites.....how life feels to me most days:

Want

The wasps outside
the kitchen window
are making that
thick, unraveling sound
again, floating in
and out of the bald head
of their nest,
seeming not to move
while moving,
and it has just occurred
to me, standing,
washing the coffeepot,
watching them hang
loosely in the air-thin
wings; thick, elongated
abdomens; sad, down-
pointing antennae-
that this
is the heart’s constant
project: this simple
learning; learning
how to hold
hopelessness
and hope together;
to see on the unharmed
surface of one
the great scar
of the other; to recognize
both and to make
something of both;
to desire everything
and nothing
at once and to desire it
all the time;
and to contain that desire
fleshly, in a body;
to wash it and rest it
and feed it; to learn
its name and from whence
it came; and to speak
to it-oh, most of all
to speak to it-
every day, every day,
saying to one part,
“Well, maybe this is all
you get,” while saying
to the other, “Go on,
break it open, let it go.”

"Want" by Carrie Fountain from Burn Lake
 
Honestly, I can't bring myself to agree with the whole "ignorance is bliss" idea. I try to find knowledge or realizations liberating rather than disappointing...

I apologize for the redundancy! I've tried not to think too much about whether or not I'm a pessimist or an optimist.

Ok I'll step out on a limb here. Be very careful friend. There is a progression of knowledge from my experience. It lures you in with some fine realizations but it's just like bait in a trap. The biggest realizations can cut to the core and even destroy. This is from someone who's had a lot of years of revelations. I'm not saying I'm right but what I believe I know as truth now has devastated me. I was not expecting that. I was expecting some kind of liberation. It delivered a blow I could not pary.
 
Aw man Grandpa Trigger. I hope I can get back up after one of those blows you mention. Don't mean to sound like an ignorant, goofy, drug using 15 year old. *scoff*

I agree with you.
Since I believe your words are wiser than my own, I will take your warning as fair. Those who speak in optimism of pain have not had enough of it.
 
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Gramps <3 unless you'd rather not, would u share some of these devastating truths? You never know, someone here may have a riposte you hadn't thought of...
 
I feel the truths are more personal and ambiguous. Like a realization about death or that somebody might not care, or seeing a truth in a social situation via blunt analysis. I dunno.

I've certainly had my own.
 
I'm not demeaned but since you are in possession of the truth would you share it with me. Then I can know how I missed the boat.
 
Logically, you can't assert how another person should feel when given the truth.

And what if his truth is different from your truth?
Maybe nature can't show a whole truth if nature has shown no lies?

On the other hand, I think that evil or bad is just a term we give to things that don't benefit us.

In accordance, maybe some of the truths we find DON'T benefit us, then I think it is perfectly sensible to be upset.
 
Ok I'll step out on a limb here. Be very careful friend. There is a progression of knowledge from my experience. It lures you in with some fine realizations but it's just like bait in a trap. The biggest realizations can cut to the core and even destroy. This is from someone who's had a lot of years of revelations. I'm not saying I'm right but what I believe I know as truth now has devastated me. I was not expecting that. I was expecting some kind of liberation. It delivered a blow I could not pary.

It can go either way. I had a period of time after learning some intense truths where life felt more difficult, but over time it has progressed to where the truth makes me feel very much at peace compared to how I felt before. It really helps to put everything in perspective including my own suffering when I feel it.
 
Agree it can go either way. That's why I suggested being very careful. The pursuit of knowledge is not just an idle pastime without possible dangers.
 
Logically I would think it comes down to balance. Ratio of suffering to satisfaction. If we were stronger than our fears then one would choose freely on this. Somehow it came to me in my life that we should let each other be. Each to make their own decisions. (as long of course as one does not physically infringe on another) life in general seems to be that humans want others to do and believe how they believe.
This seems like a fatal flaw in our species and will forever leave us in turmoil. If one was to believe in evil this for me would be it.

more likely, our fatal flaw is our hierarchical nature, the need know who's boss.
 
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