What Is A Speedball?

[MDPVagrant]

When he said that, it was in the 50's and the designer drugs had not been around. So the best combo I have done nicknamed (by me) the Holy Quaternary, is fentanyl HCl in 95/2.5/2.5 H20 /IPA/cetyl alcohol, the BEST cocaine analogue WIN 36,065-2, the antihistamine tripelenamine (aka parabenzamine or PBZ) and finally (and you cannot mix heroin HCl with this because it causes the heroin base to precipitate) pentobarbital in H20/EtOH (I would use methaqualone but I cannot get it to dissolve in anything injectable over pH 3 or using too much warm alcohol) . This is an exquisitely layered shot (if I take the time to toot my own horn here.)

I'm so jealous of all the sh*t you have access too, there's blood coming out my ears... d@mn, even methaqualone .

 

[enoughorangejuice?]

sorry for that, but Burroughs called a shot of coke and morphine a speedball

exactly what i was gonna say to the OP, i agree H+C = speedball but H turns into M in your body pretty quickly, no?

i'd consider M+C a speedball.

 

[SonOF]

So you're telling me that my expresso/Darvocet combo is not a "speedball?"

I refuse to believe it.
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[narutokun]

exactly what i was gonna say to the OP, i agree H+C = speedball but H turns into M in your body pretty quickly, no?

i'd consider M+C a speedball.

i can't tell the difference between a morphine shot equaly dosed to H, really. so i'd agree that morphine and coke is also a speedball.

 

[enoughorangejuice?]

^^ i've heard that if you leave H in a rig and don't shoot right after you get it all loaded up, and leave it there for a while it actually turns into M. i'm not sure if its true but i remember reading it on BL once....

 

[TheHappyChemical]

words aren't imutable, they change and their meanings change over time, even if it's a slang.

You're right. Language is alive and changing all the time.

Lots of people are strict on the definition, some consider any stim + downer to be one. Personally, I just go for any opiate + reasonable stim, instead of the more general downer.

 

[TheodoreRoosevelt]

i can't tell the difference between a morphine shot equaly dosed to H, really. so i'd agree that morphine and coke is also a speedball.

That's because you haven't done enough H. There are very big differences that occur just because of how it crosses the BBB. If you aren't able to tell the difference and claim to have done both at least 3 times, I think something isn't right with what you are saying...

i've heard that if you leave H in a rig and don't shoot right after you get it all loaded up, and leave it there for a while it actually turns into M. i'm not sure if its true but i remember reading it on BL once....

Heroin will break down to morphine in water given time due to hydrolysis. It doesn't occur immediately, obviously, but it can happen pretty quickly. I think 24 hours is enough time for it to fully occur, but an hour isn't.

You're right. Language is alive and changing all the time.

Lots of people are strict on the definition, some consider any stim + downer to be one. Personally, I just go for any opiate + reasonable stim, instead of the more general downer.

Yea but it's not that alive. I mean, we all know what pot is, and it was the same thing 40 years ago. A speedball is an IV dose of heroin and cocaine in the same shot. Only possible substitutes I can thin of is IVing a different form of cocaine salt, such as acetate or ascorbate, as opposed to hydrochloride, and morphine or heroin ascorbate/acetate instead of hcl.

People who consider any stim+downer to be a speedball just do it so they can say "i used to speedball" when they just took a rail of heroin and coke. It's not the same thing at all, and anyone who confuses it is just wrong.

You don't go around saying "yea I fucked her" about a girl when all you did was finger her...

 

[Footloose]

I definitely agree with the o.p. especially considering i have experienced it first hand. People around here call a poor mans speed ball oxy + meth, which is ridiculous since oxy and meth are more expensive than heroin and coke.... meth tends to override downers ALOT as well.. fuck meth.

 

[TheodoreRoosevelt]

Meth + Heroin in same shot = goofball

 

[certified_bomb]

Meth + Heroin in same shot = goofball

LOL

 

[bigdaddy0089]

BTW Adderall is not Dextroamphetamine its made of Amphetamine Salts. Dextro is a totally different substance.

 

[narutokun]

That's because you haven't done enough H. There are very big differences that occur just because of how it crosses the BBB. If you aren't able to tell the difference and claim to have done both at least 3 times, I think something isn't right with what you are saying...

I guess you're right, I've only done H 2 times, one of them being a coke+h and the other just plain h lol
morphine works fine for me though, i always thought of that higher liposolubility of H and BBB crossing bs, so that's why i decided to try h in the first place and i didn't find it much different from morphine, i guess you're right though only a couple of experiences won't cover it

 

[center]

BTW Adderall is not Dextroamphetamine its made of Amphetamine Salts. Dextro is a totally different substance.

I hate to do this to you. You're partially right. Here's what's in your little adderall pills...

dextroamphetamine sulfate
dextroamphetamine saccharate
levoamphetamine sulfate
levoamphetamine saccharate.

the levo isomers generally contribute to the CRACKED OUT GARB feeling, as well as most of the main peripheral side effects. Hence why people usually say that 'dexedrine' is cleaner. It only contains dextroamphetamine sulfate.

 

[TheHappyChemical]

What do you mean, its not that alive? It doesn't evolve at any set rate, and now that international communication is so common, slang changes and new slang pops up left and right.

Look at the term dope. A lot of people consider it drugs in general, while purists consider it just heroin.

What it really boils down to is, do you know what they meant, and how much of an anal prick do you want to be?

If theres still clarity in the meaning, why care about the delivery?

 

[MobiusDick]

I'm so jealous of all the sh*t you have access too, there's blood coming out my ears... d@mn, even methaqualone .

Methaqualone and my favorite quinazoline analogue which I have come to call mefloqualone (which uses ortho-fluoroaniline instead of o-toluidine) are both so simple to concoct that I am surprised that, in the US at least, they are no longer a problem (according to NIDA). The starting material, anthranilic acid is available in any polyurethane plant. It is the only List I substance used. Acetic Anhydride, which most people in the US think is hard to find, is a List II substance and is only reported when 55 gallons or more is ordered. The third item is o-toluidine which is not even watched at all. If mecloqualone or mefloqualone are wanted, ortho-chloroaniline or ortho-fluoroaniline is substituted for o-toluidine.

This is a 2 step reaction making N-acetyl anthranilic acid first and then making the final product by adding the aniline derivative. It can be done in about 5 hours from start to finish.

I have never been able to get an injectable form of methaqualone or other qunazolines no matter how hard I have tried. In order to get the HCl to be water soluble, the water must be pH 3 or lower and that just would burn too much. I have tried citrate salts as well to no avail, and various alcohol/water mixtures. Anyone have any ideas?

MobiusDick

 

[vajeeh]

Yeah, if I ever hear speedball in real life among users, it means heroin+coke IVed. People on here use it to mean whatever... Sort of how "dope" is used.

You'll never hear an oldhead user talking about an intranasal Adderall+Xanax speedball.

The internet has a way of creating and propagating slang, even if it's wrong.

yep...speedball is cocaine and heroin intravenously administered....

i just did one about 10 minutes ago. put a nice little rock (not crack) of some coke into my spoon filled with scramble heroin (larry love maaan) and shot it in my hand....

its like getting a handjob from the Gods....ohhh maaan


first you get the rush from the coke and your hearing starts to fade in and out and your heart starts pumpin faster, and then you feel the tingle of the dope start from your solar plex to your shoulders down to all your extremities and then the peak of both drugs hits you, remember to breathe in and out with your mouth open in a rhythmic fashion and then close your eyes and rotate your head and just chillll and listen to lil wyte

 

[LivingOnValium]

When he said that, it was in the 50's and the designer drugs had not been around. So the best combo I have done nicknamed (by me) the Holy Quaternary, is fentanyl HCl in 95/2.5/2.5 H20 /IPA/cetyl alcohol, the BEST cocaine analogue WIN 36,065-2, the antihistamine tripelenamine (aka parabenzamine or PBZ) and finally (and you cannot mix heroin HCl with this because it causes the heroin base to precipitate) pentobarbital in H20/EtOH (I would use methaqualone but I cannot get it to dissolve in anything injectable over pH 3 or using too much warm alcohol) . This is an exquisitely layered shot (if I take the time to toot my own horn here.)

First of all why would you use isopropyl alchol and cetyl alcohol for preparing a shot?

IPA is known to be harmfull when ingested. I wouldn't want to IV it.

Cetyl alcohol seems eaven worse substance to put in your veins. It's a surfactant used in shampoos and it's also employed as a lubricant for nuts and bolts.

All the substances you listed, not including pentobarbital, are HCl salts as well (though pharmaceutical fentabyl for IV use is always a citrte). Why would only heroin HCl basify? And eaven if it did the cetyl alcohol (as an emulsifier) might be able to keep the freebase dissolved in the emulsion.

pentobarbital free acid is water soluble. There's no need for ethanol. Instead of thee free acid the IV preparations are made with the sodium salt of pentobarbital, which is basic. I believe you mean that sodium pentobarbital causes heroin basify and precipitate.

Could you please explain further?

 

[LivingOnValium]

the levo isomers generally contribute to the CRACKED OUT GARB feeling, as well as most of the main peripheral side effects.

I personally find this to be greatly exaggerated and i personally never suffered from it.

But dexedrine feels different when compared to the racemate (and adderal as well).

Not a fact. Just an opinion.

 

[haribo1]

In the UK we have a close relative (or is it really just the same) cslled a snowball. Take smack & crack, add citric until they both dissolve, shoot.

Really, it's just cocaine citrate rather thsn cocaine hydrochloride, but a lot of users who have done speedballs swear that snowballs are better. Maybe the citrate makes it pass the BBB faster? Maybe it's just purer cocaine (not to clean in the UK)? I dunno. All I know is that it's 10 quid for a rock or a bag, but one of each is 15 so they are all at it.

My own personal favorite sidewinder is dexadrine + diazepam. The diazepam has a longer T1/2 so initially you go up, then you float down. Like that woman at the beginning of junky 'sometimes I take 3 goofballs and 2 strips of benny. They get down there and have a fight. It's a GOOD kick'.

Now, what IS a goofball? I hear conflicting reports. Some say it's any barbiturate, some say it's Seconal specifically. I don't know...

 

[phr]

Really, it's just cocaine citrate rather thsn cocaine hydrochloride, but a lot of users who have done speedballs swear that snowballs are better.

Maybe it's due to crack's purity? It's typically higher than cocaine's. Just a guess.