what helps heroin withdrawl and what to expect in general

PlurPsyed

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long story short, I received a call from my best friend today telling me she was going through withdrawl. I have been waiting for her to admit that she had a problem for almost half a year now. I rushed to her house and promised to stay here for the duration of her wd's. anyone have any advice on what I can expect and how I can help her? I have a bottle of amphetamines, klonopin, and trazadone at my disposal. Any of those beneficial for this type of situation?
 
It's going to get bad around 18 or so hours since her last dose, and will start getting better somewhere between 72 and 96 hours. She'll feel 95% in a week. That's the duration.

Has she been through this before? If it's her first true heroin WD, then she'll probably experience a lot of anxiety, fear, panic and mental symptoms that a seasoned heroin user has kind of learned to deal with by now. But she will be scared if it's her first time and it will feel like it's never going to end and that her head is permanently messed up. She will have cravings, BAD cravings, and may even try and trick you so that she can go get some H. Just remember that she's going through something painful and if she acts angry, aggressive, mean or even downright deceptive, she's kind of in a "survival mode" and you shouldn't take it personally. Heroin WD is really painful and it's hard to keep composure while going through it.

To help her, prepare her small meals that are soft/liquid, but don't force them down her throat. Ice cream is also helpful. Try and keep her drinking water or things like Gatorade. Around the 48 hour mark, she'll probably start getting "the runs" and be embarrassed about it. Just let her keep going to the toilet every 15 minutes and don't draw too much attention to it. It's totally normal. She'll also alternate between being really hot and really cold. So encourage her to get under the covers or to take warm baths when she's cold, and to drink cold liquids and be in minimal clothing when she's warm. She will sweat a lot and her sweat will smell bad to her, so help her constantly change clothes and even her bedsheets.

Use the klonopin sparingly, but maybe at night to help her sleep (if the Trazadone does not work, which is a possibility given how hard it is to sleep in heroin WD). It can also be used if her anxiety peaks because of how scary the experience is. But benzos like klonopin are also very habit-forming, so don't let her get too comfortable taking them. Do not give her any amphetamine. Stimulants, even caffeine, during WD can make it feel way worse.

Loperamide, which is the ingredient in Immodium, is an opioid that does not cross the BBB (so it does not cause any euphoria or psychological addiction like heroin). In a crude sense, it's like an OTC tapering/maintenance drug. Giving her Immodium in higher doses than suggested for its typical use should help lessen the severity of her symptoms. An OTC painkiller will also help with the muscle aches that she will experience. Vitamins too.

72 hours of feeling horrible is not fun, and it's worse when you don't get much sleep. But anything to make those 72 hours go by as fast as possible should be used. Movies, TV miniseries, documentaries. Listen to music. Play a board game if she is capable. Keep assuring her that she won't die and that she will feel much better by the 4th day.

You're a good friend for doing this for her. It's typical to feel like a piece of shit while in WD for all of the bad stuff you did during your addiction. Having the unconditional support of a friend during this time can make a world of a difference as she treads through those first few days with a clear head.
 
Imodium, definitely benzos, and trazadone at night. Kratom is a godsend too but obviously not to be used if she's just going cold turkey, done forever.

I'd be wary of using amphetamine, some say it helps but for some people, myself included, makes it waaaaay worse

Weed can be great too unless you're not used to it
 
I second that on the weed. Smoking up would help me to at least be interested enough in watching some movies. I'd watch shit all night, what a great time consuming distraction. Though weed might not be for everybody.
 
Hi PlurPsyed,
God bless you for being a true friend and helping her through this. Most of us have no one when we go through withdrawals. You being there for her is going to make the biggest difference. Wish we all had friends like you.
 
Excellent, excellent post from RL makes pretty much anything I could have said redundant, it's bang on the money. I know we're talking your friend so where I put you it's only cos it's easier to write that way. Just want to stress whatever meds anyone ends up using like this to alleviate acute withdrawal symptoms they should be used only for that: the worst symptoms at the very peak. You'd ideally want to use them only so long as it takes to come out of major withdrawal days 4 through 6 at the worst as things rebalance out naturally. Might need the Trazadone as a sleep aid a while longer but don't use anything habit forming like Clonazepam / other benzos too long when you're a recovering addict at a vulnerable stage, they'll end up causing their own problems before long if you do.
 
RL hit it right on.
immodium is a god send. coupled with valium/klonopin and seroquel/trazadone at night to ptfo (pass the fuck out). liquid diet to just drink down would be a big plus as I got thirsty while in WD but never "hungry". as dumb as it may sound, frequent masturbation helped me out too. oh and before i forget clonidine works well too. weed helps with nausea and boosts appetite.
that's very kind of you to help your friend. mine all abandoned me during addiction :/ keep us posted.
 
Thank you everyone, this post is about me. I went about stopping heroin the wrong way. I did 40 bags one day and zero the next, so even though the trazadone and valerian root calmed me down a bit, I couldn't fall asleep until I had one bag. As much as I appreciate Plurpsyed's dedication to my stopping H all together, I've decided that I can still enjoy my vice--in moderation. After all, why should I deprive myself of something I love? Life is too short. I love my best-friend and I understand her worry, withdrawing sucks. I know now not to overdo it. I am convinced that if I treat heroin with respect and reverence, it will respect me in return.
 
Thank you everyone, this post is about me. I went about stopping heroin the wrong way. I did 40 bags one day and zero the next, so even though the trazadone and valerian root calmed me down a bit, I couldn't fall asleep until I had one bag. As much as I appreciate Plurpsyed's dedication to my stopping H all together, I've decided that I can still enjoy my vice--in moderation. After all, why should I deprive myself of something I love? Life is too short. I love my best-friend and I understand her worry, withdrawing sucks. I know now not to overdo it. I am convinced that if I treat heroin with respect and reverence, it will respect me in return.
Just know that I love you to death and I'll be there for you no matter what.
 
Sorry this ended up so long, but I'm on dexamp and decided to share what I've had luck with...

OTC items:

Loperamide at about 10-15 times the recommended dose usually puts a pretty good dent in my symptoms. I still can experience some chills, goosebumps, sweating and insomnia, but these things would probably be more intense without loperamide.

Naproxen is usually what I use for muscle aches and the like and I can usually feel these helping ease the symptoms a bit.

Dextromethorphan at around 150-200mg (much higher than recommended dose, but not close to the amount most use for recreational use) has produced states of mind that have been noticeably better than my normal mind-state during withdrawal. I can't really put my finger on a reason as to how or why this works for me other than it just does.

Non-OTC: (can usually be found if you have a number of friends that use)

Clonidine has helped with the aggravating chilly feeling, makes me drowsy to help get some sleep even if only for a couple hours and many people report it helps with sweats.

Benzodiazepines are great for taking the edge off the general anxiety that comes along with withdrawal and also are helpful for getting the much needed sleep. Strongly recommend if you can get your hands on some and feel like you can handle not overdoing them.

Cannabis is usually pretty good at distracting my mind from the feeling of withdrawal for a few hours, although a few tomes it has amplified my anxiety. Even if I have a good high going, I can feel the symptoms if I think too much about them.

Gabapentin has been tried numerous times and although many people say it works wonders for them, I only experience minimal relief from taking it. Its probably because I don't really know the sweet spot when it comes to the dose. Don't get me wrong though, I would definitely take it if it were offered to me while experiencing symptoms.

Dextroamphetamine and similar stimulants have definitely greatly eased symptoms for me in the past when trying to get through a day at work, but they've been known to make things worse for people when the comedown starts.

Buprenorphine (suboxone) is my favorite thing to get, but I know many people don't have the funds, availability or desire to use it. When I take it I follow the 'less is more with buprenorphine' idea. I almost never take more than 2mgs and have learned to identify and appreciate the feeling that it gives me. Haven't got to experience the effects of methadone yet.
 
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I was going to move this to Basic Drug Discussion, where it would find a more appropriate audience, but I think our lovely TDS people showed you some significant love here. Thanks to everyone for helping the OP <3

PlurPsyed, I applaud you for getting clean. Good luck to you. PM me anytime if you need to talk, okay?

Much love,

~ Vaya
 
Thank you everyone, this post is about me. I went about stopping heroin the wrong way. I did 40 bags one day and zero the next, so even though the trazadone and valerian root calmed me down a bit, I couldn't fall asleep until I had one bag. As much as I appreciate Plurpsyed's dedication to my stopping H all together, I've decided that I can still enjoy my vice--in moderation. After all, why should I deprive myself of something I love? Life is too short. I love my best-friend and I understand her worry, withdrawing sucks. I know now not to overdo it. I am convinced that if I treat heroin with respect and reverence, it will respect me in return.

Good luck but to me moderation and heroin are not words I hear spoken together much. In my experience once I was physically hooked I am either using or on maintenance there is no "moderation". That thing about respect sounds like something I would say about LSD not heroin. Heroiun is a disrespectful drug all the way down to the nuerochemical level where it rewires your brains reward center to only give a fuck about heroin.It sounds like you are just coming to terms with the fact that you are hooked and will be forever. Im not gonna lie its a shit hand but your only chance is to be real with yourself about the fight you are in for. Sober or using honesty is the only thing that gives me any peace. I really think its the fight that kills us spiritually.
 
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