What has happened to the decreasing quality/potency of fentanyl?

[visualblind]

I tried to ask an accurate question, but I just can't overstate how bad the potency/quality has gotten in recent years. It almost seems to me that all the people who say they like the fentanyl out there right now have no idea how much more potent and higher quality it was in the pre-2021 era. I have not overdosed since then and truly honestly feel that I couldn't even if I tried my hardest with the stuff out there right now.

Does anyone else share my viewpoint? I feel like I'm the only one in the world who feels this way.

 

[G_Chem]

2001? Fentanyl wasn’t much of a street drug until the late 00’s. But yea reports definitely mimic what you’ve been seeing, in the last year especially. I heard there’s been a drop in fentanyl deaths and I attribute it to the likely decrease in fentanyl availability and purity.

That said, opiate users will always reminisce of the old days and how it was so much better. For me the peak was 04-09, real oxys for peanuts and near pure heroin. It’s all downhill from that first hit.

-GC

 

[visualblind]

2001? Fentanyl wasn’t much of a street drug until the late 00’s. But yea reports definitely mimic what you’ve been seeing, in the last year especially. I heard there’s been a drop in fentanyl deaths and I attribute it to the likely decrease in fentanyl availability and purity.

That said, opiate users will always reminisce of the old days and how it was so much better. For me the peak was 04-09, real oxys for peanuts and near pure heroin. It’s all downhill from that first hit.

-GC

Sorry that's a typo, I meant 2021. I'll edit it

 

[Opana313]

I too have not OD'd on fent or completely blacked out since...2018 maybe 2020.

Maybe the dealers or pill press chemists are thinking more of an HR view(yeah right, just profit) BUT gotta admit when rainbow colored fent 30s came round on local news I couldn't help but applaud that dealer for AT LEAST MAKING IT LOOK DIFFERENT THAN A REAL Roxicodone 30mg IR.

 

[SteeleyJ]

2001? Fentanyl wasn’t much of a street drug until the late 00’s. But yea reports definitely mimic what you’ve been seeing, in the last year especially. I heard there’s been a drop in fentanyl deaths and I attribute it to the likely decrease in fentanyl availability and purity.

That said, opiate users will always reminisce of the old days and how it was so much better. For me the peak was 04-09, real oxys for peanuts and near pure heroin. It’s all downhill from that first hit.

-GC

Agreed. I was in Tampa Florida for the heydays of the pill mills. Wicked cheap 30s everywhere.

 

[visualblind]

I've had a feeling it's related to the China export ban, since its been confirmed most of it in the U.S. is now coming from Mexico.
I have always been confused when I hear about dealers putting it in other drugs where it doesn't belong, because I have actually always tried to obtain it itself, but it always fizzle's out like a dud firework. Like I mentioned in the first thread, I cannot even come close to overdosing if I tried my absolute hardest, and it's not related to my tolerance for sure.

 

[visualblind]

Anyone else feel this way or should I continue to feel like I'm the only one not in on the big joke?

 

[Quasimoto]

If there is a coordinated effort to lower the potency of fentanyl it is coming from high level dealers finally realizing that it's bad business to have customers dropping like flies and gathering like zombies in public.

Several of the largest Mexican cartels have banned fentanyl production altogether in the last year or two (giving death to associates caught making/selling it), for one main reason: it brings too much heat from the DEA and US government. There is likely less supply going around, so middlemen are heavily cutting it to stretch it out and milk their customer's desperation.

The cartels really don't care if people are dying-- they just don't like the heavy media coverage and the "crisis" being blamed on them... right?

Hopefully real fucking heroin comes back one day.

 

[crazyhairman]

It's been under attack from all sides. Police, feds, politics. Handing down life sentences like candy for distribution.

 

[Direwolf131]

If there is a coordinated effort to lower the potency of fentanyl it is coming from high level dealers finally realizing that it's bad business to have customers dropping like flies and gathering like zombies in public.

Several of the largest Mexican cartels have banned fentanyl production altogether in the last year or two (giving death to associates caught making/selling it), for one main reason: it brings too much heat from the DEA and US government. There is likely less supply going around, so middlemen are heavily cutting it to stretch it out and milk their customer's desperation.

The cartels really don't care if people are dying-- they just don't like the heavy media coverage and the "crisis" being blamed on them... right?

Hopefully real fucking heroin comes back one day.

This^^^, isn't it obvious? The US senators the cartels buy off are being pressured, dramatically so, because 14 year old boys are being found ice cold dead by their parents, 14 year olds who are not nearly addicted either, just experimenting. It absolutely astonishes me how little Americans comprehend the horrifying levels of corruption that comprise the federal government, if you think Joe Biden, and his administration, along with a good dozen senators aren't collecting payoffs from those cartels you are hopelessly naive! 60-70 billion dollars in cash crosses that border every year, why do you think they refuse to close it down and truly crack the whip???

Pressure is being brought to bear, and the obvious consequence of such is a reduction in the potency/lethality of the narcotic!

 

[visualblind]

If there is a coordinated effort to lower the potency of fentanyl it is coming from high level dealers finally realizing that it's bad business to have customers dropping like flies and gathering like zombies in public.

Several of the largest Mexican cartels have banned fentanyl production altogether in the last year or two (giving death to associates caught making/selling it), for one main reason: it brings too much heat from the DEA and US government. There is likely less supply going around, so middlemen are heavily cutting it to stretch it out and milk their customer's desperation.

The cartels really don't care if people are dying-- they just don't like the heavy media coverage and the "crisis" being blamed on them... right?

Hopefully real fucking heroin comes back one day.

Thanks for the reply, it is starting to make more sense now. If this was a coorindated effort from the dealers closest to the source to avoid the heat from the U.S. agencies, that would make the most sense to me because they literally control the upstream product and have the most to lose.

I don't think mid-level or small-level dealers would even be capable of performing the highly technical and dangerous job of cutting pure fentanyl (specialized equipment is required to do this right). Even if they were the ones doing it, I would expect to see big fluctuations in the purity of the street fent. Everything I have seen for the past 3.5+ years has been consistenly weak enough that I haven't woken up on the floor even once during this timespan (nor have I overdosed).

What I don't understand is why when I ask everyone else that does fent, they say everything is great and they have no problems nodding off. Either everyone is full of shit, or I am starting to go insane.

This^^^, isn't it obvious? The US senators the cartels buy off are being pressured, dramatically so, because 14 year old boys are being found ice cold dead by their parents, 14 year olds who are not nearly addicted either, just experimenting. It absolutely astonishes me how little Americans comprehend the horrifying levels of corruption that comprise the federal government, if you think Joe Biden, and his administration, along with a good dozen senators aren't collecting payoffs from those cartels you are hopelessly naive! 60-70 billion dollars in cash crosses that border every year, why do you think they refuse to close it down and truly crack the whip???

Pressure is being brought to bear, and the obvious consequence of such is a reduction in the potency/lethality of the narcotic!

Haha I love how easily this honest question about potency turned into a George Carlin special
I'll repond later with more thoughts, i'm just real tired rigth now.

 

[canadianpeduser]

It’s actually still pretty dependent on how close you are to the original plug when you, the consumer, finally take that drug, who knows how many hands it’s been through, and people will stretch any bag; I find it disgusting that people cut other toxic agents into their fent, like CF or tranq, and falsely advertise it as just fent.

I know there is still some dangerous crazy shit out there. One toke and people drop still quite often. They are cracking down but it’s nothing to the whole picture at this point.