What happens when you die? 🤔 Vote here!

[chris_p]

Not sure about spirit, or if there is something like that, what qualities it would have.

But there is definitely an "I" which is a being's consciousness. Which gets lost when you die, or maybe not because there is something that holds that consciousness.

But your "I" which is the person that you are, leaves always something back, even a hermit.

The "I' is just as real as it as an illusion created by the brain. There is one , but it is only a subjective concept relative to our own experience that holds no value outside of the human brain, but it is still a facet of reality as your brain and consciousness and beliefs were created by reality. It definitely leaves something behind. much like a drop of water in an infinitely sized ocean. Energy is everywhere in unlimited amounts. We are just this energy manifested into flesh and brain that has created a microcosm reality within itself sensorially.

All I can say is, my interpretation of death is that of a full DMT breakthrough, utter annihilation of memory and self and a form of pure 'experience'. That is essentially what we are now in our human form, except we are chained by other experiences like the sense of self and dissociation from outside reality which lessens our interaction with the universe as a whole.

Death returns us to the ocean of energy that stretches forever that is 'us', and some part of 'we' will be pulled from that ocean to experience again in some form in the material universe. The spirit or 'i' is not static, it is like a liquid that flows and loves to connect, one that is more or less jailed within the brain temporarily in the form we are now. If you've ever interacted and 'interconnected' with entities on high dose psychedelics, you are basically just talking to another form of your unconscious mind that has connected itself to your conscious mind. It's a bit like that, I would say. The 'i' does not die, it ascends and combines. We are like hiveminds, essentially.

Picrel is the brain sober vs on psychedelics. Most parts of your mind are not speaking to eachother or conscious while sober. Incredibly high dose breakthrough psychedelics is what I imagine death to feel like. Release from the physical form and full returnel to the interconnected conscious web of reality. Our existence as humans now is just the unfortunate side effect of a limitless existence, but it could be a lot worse, we should be lucky that we're able to die.

 

[paltatomate]

I don't like the idea of "us" and "we" and "me" becoming part of that. It makes me anxious.
Whereas I have no problem becoming one with nature. Or being simply annihilated.

 

[chris_p]

I don't like the idea of "us" and "we" and "me" becoming part of that. It makes me anxious.
Whereas I have no problem becoming one with nature. Or being simply annihilated.

It doesn't matter what we believe in, I like to theorize over these things for interests sake but I don't let it change my behaviour too much. In the end, the ultimate goal is happiness for ourselves and for others in whichever way possible, Reality is a purely entropical force, it's our goal as self-aware forms make a better existence for all beings even including those that are not aware of their existence like animals and to prevent the cycle of suffering on earth produced by nature. A lot of people see nature as 'perfect' and motherly and wanting to become one with it, but nature is extremely fucked up, beings are forced to exist to starve and consume one another in a pointless recycling of energy that serves no purpose but to produce suffering and fear. You can only feel so much joy in this world, but pain will always be worse.

Pain exists nowhere else in the universe as far as we know. Only on this tiny spinning ball is there pain. Why people fear leaving it so much baffles me. Our only goal as humans should be to escape this hellish place we've found ourselves in. Our brains are really, really good at tricking us into thinking being alive is a good thing. I wish I never came to that conclusion, I'd love to be Christian and think afterlife is waiting me for my good behaviour, I honestly believe that line of thinking is the best and healthiest for humans, but my mind has been exposed too much for me to ever seriously believe in it

 

[kiely]

 

[kiely]

I was waiting to but I have now, yes. I like @jasperkent 's suggestion of both "we die and that's it" + "we become one with the universe"

It's true we never left the universe, but I don't think our consciousness will go on... so I think that part of us will be gone forever.

It's very comforting to me actually, to imagine being part of the earth and not have to worry about all these existential problems. But also scary because my mind still has trouble comprehending total oblivion.

Yes, I do see that now. I see what you mean. And have. Always, thank you for that. Or is it thank you for that always.

Thank you for helping a lot.

At first I didn't know too much .... but I have learned so much now.

~~~ awesomeness

 

[paltatomate]

There is the philosophical aspect (consciousness) and the spiritual aspect(spirit/essence) and the physical aspect (our perceived reality as living things with a material body).

No way to know what happens to our consciousness or spiritual essence when we die. What I know for certain is that our physical bodies become one with what is our planet earth.

Though it's fun to speculate about a very vague what could be, I try to spend at least twice as much time experiencing what is.

 

[ageingpartyfiend]

Though it's fun to speculate about a very vague what could be, I try to spend at least twice as much time experiencing what is.

At the very least hopefully

When we die we tend to piss and shit ourselves, that's not conjecture!

 

[kiely]

I voted that we just die. that's it. There was no other way. Than other.

 

[JackARoe]

Just dying is the lazy way out. It would be perfect peace. Like the deep sleep we welcome every night. Yeah that would be nice. But I know there is more to the picture than meets the eye and it has to do with our actions and relations with other people. I can't say what happens, I have not died yet. But I can see the school room Nature throws at us for some reason. And I know I never want to do this again. Taking care of a body is the chore. It needs a house, food, water, sleep. And we drag it around and it hurts. lol So I just want to plow through and not have muddy tracks to clean up.

 

[-=SS=-]

And I know I never want to do this again. Taking care of a body is the chore. It needs a house, food, water, sleep. And we drag it around and it hurts. lol So I just want to plow through and not have muddy tracks to clean up.

I often feel the same way, most days in fact. What I think is the real kicker is that this perspective, I feel, is born out of the fact that in this particular era of human history we are not living to begin with. I think we are so far removed from how we should be living, should be growing and evolving, that it colours this negative view. So it's not that living itself is the problem, because we haven't really been living in the first place.

Existing in the tail end of a civilization society that is so anti-human, anti-joy.. that is so arrogant that it conditions its children to accept this half of a life in perpetual servitude to the economy (cult) or some other conformist religious system. That's what really colours things I believe. It feels like a chore because our life-energy is being abused by a system that is holding us back. I want to do life, but not in circumstances like this again.

Though I have this nagging suspicion that that's the reason why we're all here in the first place, to try and lift up this enterprise.. we saw it as a challenge, a game. From a vantage point beyond this world where all is OK, we're OK, and we know we're immortal perhaps, it could all take on a different light. I don't know, it's something that I feel seeped through in my psychedelic experiences when I was younger.. I couldn't quite put my finger on it and it just made me laugh hysterically in the moment.. like something in my heart knew this was all just a game.. that all my friends who were laughing too, like we all knew each other already before or something. I hope so anyway, that would be a nice twist.

 

[LucidSDreamr]

I am going to be furious if I wake up on some other existence after death. Let me rest FFS.

 

[fairnymph]

I’m not sure and I think all are possible, but I like to believe that we go to another realm. I kind of agree with ‘becoming one with the universe’, but I think we’re always part of the universe & we always maintain some differentiation at the soul level, so the phrasing is a little off. But I think we may become less individualised once we die and are in soul form alone, enabling us to ‘feel’ more at one with the universe.

 

[fairnymph]

I often feel the same way, most days in fact. What I think is the real kicker is that this perspective, I feel, is born out of the fact that in this particular era of human history we are not living to begin with. I think we are so far removed from how we should be living, should be growing and evolving, that it colours this negative view. So it's not that living itself is the problem, because we haven't really been living in the first place.

Existing in the tail end of a civilization society that is so anti-human, anti-joy.. that is so arrogant that it conditions its children to accept this half of a life in perpetual servitude to the economy (cult) or some other conformist religious system. That's what really colours things I believe. It feels like a chore because our life-energy is being abused by a system that is holding us back. I want to do life, but not in circumstances like this again.

Though I have this nagging suspicion that that's the reason why we're all here in the first place, to try and lift up this enterprise.. we saw it as a challenge, a game. From a vantage point beyond this world where all is OK, we're OK, and we know we're immortal perhaps, it could all take on a different light. I don't know, it's something that I feel seeped through in my psychedelic experiences when I was younger.. I couldn't quite put my finger on it and it just made me laugh hysterically in the moment.. like something in my heart knew this was all just a game.. that all my friends who were laughing too, like we all knew each other already before or something. I hope so anyway, that would be a nice twist.

I agree with most of this except that I would argue the modern liberal agenda is at least as conformist than any modern religion. Also, most religions have always been highly conformist, so that’s hardly a modern phenomenon. I think the lack of religiosity and the rise of atheism explains a lot of modern nihilism.

 

[aftershocknrock]

i always find rite after a cunt has died is the best time to shag thier missus then get in a huge drunken fight involving the whole wake...get a booting from the psni then after court go back to the wake appoligise, get drunk an repeat. This is the Irish way, our wakes last 5-7 days...of non stop drinking an people calling round
wake an break! are you sick of boring old funerals????? come have a drunken fight with your half cousin an have a sanwich....draw on the stiff ect an its not a spectical cause technicaly we got a dead guy so show some fucking respekst you knaker

 

[emkee_reinvented]

Time stops before dying, imo.
So dying seems a physical phenomenon.
Stopped time, the Ego dissolves in nothingness.
And there after i have no clue, never been there.
but when reading about peoples NDEs experiences.

It corresponds with my halfway experiences.
Time stops , ego dissolves, but live didn t seem to stop.
When brain dead, your consciousness remains.

 

[-=SS=-]

I agree with most of this except that I would argue the modern liberal agenda is at least as conformist than any modern religion. Also, most religions have always been highly conformist, so that’s hardly a modern phenomenon. I think the lack of religiosity and the rise of atheism explains a lot of modernism modern nihilism.

Oh nothing has really changed at all, I mean we've inched forward a bit but on the whole our psychology hasn't advanced that much in a century - the explosion of technology has created a tremendous arrogance in people to this underlying truth (about our psychology), a tremendous narcissism.

Atheism will come full circle in time, when science learns to stop behaving like the church it sought to escape and finally embraces everything it has already unearthed, that is currently being held back from us (due to politics, prestige, corruption). The nihilism will evaporate when science finally reveals the grains of truth in all the religions, in a way that satisfies the natural yearning for truth in all people but without the dogma and fantasy.

I'm not nihilistic. I'm just depressed and pissed off

 

[fairnymph]

Oh nothing has really changed at all, I mean we've inched forward a bit but on the whole our psychology hasn't advanced that much in a century - the explosion of technology has created a tremendous arrogance in people to this underlying truth (about our psychology), a tremendous narcissism.

Atheism will come full circle in time, when science learns to stop behaving like the church it sought to escape and finally embraces everything it has already unearthed, that is currently being held back from us (due to politics, prestige, corruption). The nihilism will evaporate when science finally reveals the grains of truth in all the religions, in a way that satisfies the natural yearning for truth in all people but without the dogma and fantasy.

I'm not nihilistic. I'm just depressed and pissed off

Agree with the first paragraph, not sure about the second. But for sure it’s difficult for religions of the past to survive in modern times and they could do with some major changes.

 

[LucidSDreamr]

When brain dead, your consciousness remains.

No, please fuck no.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

No, please fuck no.

Why, you don t like pure consciousness ?
Bit like the state of successful meditation, no ego/ no body sense able.

Never had a NDE myself, but pain, N2O and meditation can get you halfway.
Its good. In the case of pain, the high speed drill in my nerve.

Glad i had no Ego or body, so no pain. It was excruciating till it reached
unbearable. Then it happened. Out my body/ ego naturally,
must be a self protective system, i was maybe 10.
Saved me a lot of Traumatic pain.

 

[LucidSDreamr]

Why, you don t like pure consciousness ?
Bit like the state of successful meditation, no ego/ no body sense able.

Never had a NDE myself, but pain, N2O and meditation can get you halfway.
Its good. In the case of pain, the high speed drill in my nerve.

Glad i had no Ego or body, so no pain. It was excruciating till it reached
unbearable. Then it happened. Out my body/ ego naturally,
must be a self protective system, i was maybe 10.
Saved me a lot of Traumatic pain.

I’ve definitely experienced plenty of blissful and ecstatic states through meditation, dissociatives/psychs and lucid dreaming….its all just too much; I’ve realized I prefer the black void that is non REM sleep or a benzo sleep to any conscious state. So death seems like the ultimate escape and high for me.


It’s just a conclusion I’ve reached after experiencing so many different states of consciousness; even besides drugs….even in sleep I prefer the unconscious sleep over dream sleep.