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I imagine that deuterated tryptophan could be introduced into a dying patient and the above insturmantal analysis might identify the DMT both pre and postmortem.

I'm sure there would be scientists willing to use there last moments to test the hypothesis.
 

I imagine that deuterated tryptophan could be introduced into a dying patient and the above insturmantal analysis might identify the DMT both pre and postmortem.

I'm sure there would be scientists willing to use there last moments to test the hypothesis.
Think though of a chemical thats capable of producing a significant life experience extending effect; based off its documented ability to provide
"thousands of years" of a life experience in around ten min. The effects of DMT have been clearly linked to NDEs. Post mordum your dead.. but you know there is a half second there that could last almost an eternity?
 
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Wow. I think we die and that's it. Yes our Souls become one with the Universe. Our Souls go to another Realm. Not the dead part though. The Realm of the Soul can reincarnate and be on this Earth also along with touching the Universe. And can maybe be something entirely else other than that and completely different. Depending on how the trip went.

It's very confusing but who really knows. But I have faith up above. And that God will help me through this. Lol. I definitely need the help.


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I think it depends on what stage you were at during life. If you look at a lot of NDE accounts there is a clear categorization: nothing/oblivion, seeing friends and family, traversing vistas and geometries. There's also the few who die while living (enlightenment); Ramana Maharshi, probably the only publicly known person in the past 100 years, without a shadow of a doubt who was enlightened said, when he was asked about his impending death, "where could I go? I am here".

That's what I feel, that we don't all go the same direction post-death. I sort of felt this when I did DMT with friends a very long time ago, because we all had markedly different experiences. I was left in a state of ecstasy, body trembling, felt I'd been there before, had answers, etc. They didn't report any of that kind of feeling, just a intense visual spectacle without that meaningful depth.

It's similar to astral projection and mystical states, I mean really it's all part of the same mechanism. You can't go where you are not aligned with. If you're carrying a bunch of baggage you can't fit through the eye of the needle, and I think in the lead up to death those with baggage can actually drop an awful lot of it if they are ready.. because it's not so much about the personality structure but some underlying unquantifiable essence (soul).. in other words you could have tremendous baggage, suffered a great deal through life, but internally you retained a heart of gold, you never gave up listening to what you know was true and that's the ticket really through the eye of the needle.

Someone like Tony Blair, there isn't much left of them to do any surrendering so they'll be obliviated and recycled. Least I hope so. I really don't want to be gliding down the rainbow road next to some smelly soul like that.
 
Still thinking on where to start here.
But then, I can give you the short verison:

Our bodies die, and become part of the cycle of nature.
But our essences live on for a while. And I dont mean in the form of offspring or memories.
 
I have a very solid idea.. that is incredibly hard to explain in words. I've had some ER trips from taking too many psychedelics and losing my mind, but they always result in me visiting the same place, some kind of 'spirit dimension' made out of pure consciousness, which I believe reality is composed out of. We are more or less just a reality confined within a reality, and separation is an illusion created by our brain, which in itself is a hallucination from the conscious energy of reality.

My consistent exposure to realms made out of 'faces' or memories shows me that the reality we see is not the place we are actually situated within, it is like our senses are a book we are reading, it's giving us an impression of what reality could be like, but you'll never know what the author of that book was really thinking when he wrote it all down. Our senses and beliefs are all a series of patterns that keep us alive, with no relevancy to what it actually is we are living within. We're machines meant to have sex, reproduce, for no meaning at all. "Meaning" and transference of consciousness has no existence outside of the minds of humans, it is a concept only relevant to us. Existence as a whole cannot be comprehended if we are a microcosm of it living in a self-constructed simulation matrix.

Whatever happens to us when we die is something utterly and completely incomprehensible and even asking the question is pointless, the very concept of existence and the worry of death is fabricated by our minds, death and life is an illusion. The question of 'what happens after we die' is very much the same as the question of 'what does the outside of my brain look like?'. You'd first need to understand what creates sensory perception, and that's not a question that can be asked, only the being experiencing qualia can answer that, and then that answer would be processed within the self-contained matrix of another conscious being, thus no actual truth would be transferred, there is no truths or falsehoods, just subjective sensory perception.

When you die, there is no more 'you'. Just reality. You were always part of reality forever, so 'you' will never be lost when you die. You conjoin with all things that ever were. I remember that feeling many times, seeing my own body torn into massive infinitely scaling structures of pure being. My memories merged with all things into a pure state of one conjoined sense, and this was all happening only within the confines of my brain. I think something similar happens energetically, but with the rest of the universe. That scares me a little bit, but I think fear becomes a very small and pointless thing once full assimilation with the rest of reality occurs.

In the end, the only correct answer is the one that makes you the happiest. The only wrong thing to do is to hurt others. In my mind life is not as precious as others think, we are essentially victims to life, we should just be glad that the ever spinning wheels of change will one day take us somewhere better.
 
Still thinking on where to start here.
But then, I can give you the short verison:

Our bodies die, and become part of the cycle of nature.
But our essences live on for a while. And I dont mean in the form of offspring or memories.
All things are and will be, even the things that aren't. That is about the closest to an answer anyone can get. The self is material, the observer is eternal. The observer never dies, even when he forgets himself. We are just avatars looking through the eyes of moving robots and experiencing their thoughts, beliefs.

What point would there be in an existence if there was nobody there to experience it?
 
When you die, there is no more 'you'. Just reality. You were always part of reality forever, so 'you' will never be lost when you die. You conjoin with all things that ever were. I remember that feeling many times, seeing my own body torn into massive infinitely scaling structures of pure being. My memories merged with all things into a pure state of one conjoined sense, and this was all happening only within the confines of my brain. I think something similar happens energetically, but with the rest of the universe. That scares me a little bit, but I think fear becomes a very small and pointless thing once full assimilation with the rest of reality occurs.
This is close I think, to what is the philosophical type experience where you recognize/remember that you are both everything and nothing simultaneously. Some kind of singularity that is also awareness. I had that sensation very clearly on some of my NN-DMT experiences, and also sober experiences. That this physical reality is no more valid than a dream we've cast ourselves into, and is more akin to a dream and that the non-corporeal state is closer to being awake. That at our deepest level we are of course the singularity, nothing ever was or will be, which is terrifying, heart warming, and everything in between.. that nothing lasts, nothing is lost, and we're all OK.

You get glimpses of this through psychedelics, but with a symbolic visual overlay - those psychic impressions often get misinterpreted and can send people off the deep end too if they don't have the capacity to hold it, because after all it is quite the ontological shock!

I also think it's why you get the giggles on psychedelics sometimes. The cosmic joke. A part of you is remembering, has just seen itself in the mirror and knows what it truly is, and the silly seriousness of our lives just melts away by comparison.
 
You get glimpses of this through psychedelics, but with a symbolic visual overlay - those psychic impressions often get misinterpreted and can send people off the deep end too if they don't have the capacity to hold it, because after all it is quite the ontological shock!
This, humans can only understand things by comparing it their own experiences and senses. When we are exposed to something incomprehensible, we make connections to the comprehensible. It's like when the Buddhists compare reality and rebirth to a spinning wheel, or God's creation as the writing of the first words in a book, or the modern idea of reality as a simulated matrix of a machine. It's all comparisons in an attempt to understand some fundamental paradox that is the why of existence. There is an underlying truth shared in all of these things. Often when I hear religious people argue and speak, they are all just repeating the same things to each other without even recognizing it.

Infinity is a very hard concept to grasp, the human brain does not understand that 1 = 0 in a truly nonfinite reality. If God is all things, then he is also no things at all (which is also a part of everything), and that also includes you, and the separation from the rest of reality, so the fact that we are here is because 'everything is everything' and every possibility will come to be including our own personal existence and our removal from existence and every other thing to come after that. Separation is dependant on interconnectedness to exist, and vice versa. The ying and the yang. Thinking about it too much is definitely not healthy. All I can say is, this is definitely not the first time we've been here, and it definitely won't be the last.
 
You just stop existing. Exactly the way you didn't exist before you were conceived/born
not quite the same because as long as you lived to had an impact on things close to you. it might be only small, but the world changed a bit in one way just because you were there, instead of the other way in case you haven't been there.

not everything has to have epic dimension to make a difference.
in fact, most of what moves the universe - of which our planet and everything on it - is quite small.
 
not quite the same because as long as you lived to had an impact on things close to you. it might be only small, but the world changed a bit in one way just because you were there, instead of the other way in case you haven't been there.

not everything has to have epic dimension to make a difference.
in fact, most of what moves the universe - of which our planet and everything on it - is quite small.
Humans clinging on to memory as a proof of their temporary existence makes zero sense to me honestly. It's like the 'if a tree fell in a forest and nobody heard it did it really happen' kind of thing, and the answer is of course it did. Your brain just does not hold the memory of the occurrence. Reality happened before you were born and you were there because you are literally reality itself. Very difficult concept to grasp to beings who only understand from the perspective of material self and the illusion of separation from reality and the idea that there is an "i" or some kind of spirit that has to move on somewhere. Think of it like sticking the brains of two people together. Who's the "i" in this situation? We're don't have the mental hardware to understand this.
 
Did you vote mal. You don't have to and not that it matters about you having to answer. But I bet it would be the closest best answer possible. The bestest. The one that no others are able to see. But I don't know and just want to know. Where I worked in an office one time the medical doctor got into a discussion with my co worker after hours one time. And the doctor said that you are gone. There is nothing and it's over. And my co worker said that's not true. You're soul lives on and you transcend. And the doctor ( specialist, cancer ) said that's ridiculous and there is nothing. You are just gone. My co worker was so angry that she started crying. I just couldn't anymore. She was so mad and then kept asking me. How the forever do I know .... I know about God. Because I just need help. I wanted to know mal. I wanted to. (my heart)
 
No one knows. No one. We just have to lol experience it to find out.

Thanx. ...

for sharing. 💝
 
I don't think we have a body in the afterlife.
But the mind lives on eternally. And we can still communicate with the living or dead.
 
the idea that there is an "i" or some kind of spirit that has to move on somewhere.
Not sure about spirit, or if there is something like that, what qualities it would have.

But there is definitely an "I" which is a being's consciousness. Which gets lost when you die, or maybe not because there is something that holds that consciousness.

But your "I" which is the person that you are, leaves always something back, even a hermit.
 
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I wish I'd been given the choice of more than one option.

I voted "We just die. That's it."
And that is what I believe, but I also think we become One with the Universe, in a sense. I'm opting for a natural burial so that my body will become soil ASAP. Then my molecules can go into trees, etc.
But I guess we're never really separate from the Universe anyway, so never mind.
 
I wish I'd been given the choice of more than one option.

I voted "We just die. That's it."
And that is what I believe, but I also think we become One with the Universe, in a sense. I'm opting for a natural burial so that my body will become soil ASAP. Then my molecules can go into trees, etc.
But I guess we're never really separate from the Universe anyway, so never mind.

Yeah I could've done better for sure.
(I made it so you can pick two now) 😇

Btw, for any of the monotheists out there I meant "our souls go to another realm" to include all the variations of heaven, hell, etc.
 
Did you vote mal. You don't have to and not that it matters about you having to answer. But I bet it would be the closest best answer possible. The bestest. The one that no others are able to see. But I don't know and just want to know. Where I worked in an office one time the medical doctor got into a discussion with my co worker after hours one time. And the doctor said that you are gone. There is nothing and it's over. And my co worker said that's not true. You're soul lives on and you transcend. And the doctor ( specialist, cancer ) said that's ridiculous and there is nothing. You are just gone. My co worker was so angry that she started crying. I just couldn't anymore. She was so mad and then kept asking me. How the forever do I know .... I know about God. Because I just need help. I wanted to know mal. I wanted to. (my heart)

I was waiting to but I have now, yes. I like @jasperkent 's suggestion of both "we die and that's it" + "we become one with the universe"

It's true we never left the universe, but I don't think our consciousness will go on... so I think that part of us will be gone forever.

It's very comforting to me actually, to imagine being part of the earth and not have to worry about all these existential problems. But also scary because my mind still has trouble comprehending total oblivion.
 
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