Bupe What happens AFTER precipitated withdrawals? Is my physical addiction over?

[smadak]

Hey guys, I've read this site for years but just became a member to ask this question because I cannot find the answer ANYWHERE.

So here's the deal... banged some subutex earlier today, went into PW's. (yes, stupid of me, I had done heroin this morning so that was just stupid on my part. I know.) Of course, felt like I was dying. I suffered for about an hour and then managed to go to sleep, and when I woke up 3 hours later, it seemed to be over.

So my question now is this--Now that my precipitated withdrawal period seems to be over, am I completely off the hook? That is to say, am I no longer physically addicted to opiates? Or did that "not count" as a regular withdrawal, and regular withdrawal is still to come?

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

No, PW's do not "eliminate your dependency". One of two things will happen. 1. The suboxone will kick in after the PW's are over, and then that will take away your regular withdrawal symptoms until the suboxone wares off. or 2. The suboxone will not work, and your regular withdrawals will start again, at which point you'll be back to where you were before you ever tried taking the suboxone.

 

[JunkieDays]

That being said, I raise a question..
Say you go through PW, and it's over.. Then, you start going through 'regular w/d' .. Now, my question is: Can one dose suboxone immediately? Or will the person go through another episode of PW?

 

[fatstep]

The short answer to your question is yes, you can go ahead and use the suboxone once you're past the PWs

 

[JunkieDays]

And there's no possibility of going through PW again, as long as you don't do any dope, correct?

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

Usually once you go through precipitated withdrawals, the bupe has ripped all of the opiates off of your receptors, so then there would be nothing left to compete with the bupe again if you took more suboxone that would potentially cause PW's.

So, basically... unless you had a high amount of dope in your system prior to taking the suboxone, then after the PW's are over and you just go back into regular withdrawal (provided the bupe didn't kick in at that point, which it often does, and takes away your withdrawals) you are then safe to try taking the suboxone again without fear of getting PW's as long as you didn't use an opiate in between.

 

[Toz]

Usually once you go through precipitated withdrawals, the bupe has ripped all of the opiates off of your receptors, so then there would be nothing left to compete with the bupe again if you took more suboxone that would potentially cause PW's.

So, basically... unless you had a high amount of dope in your system prior to taking the suboxone, then after the PW's are over and you just go back into regular withdrawal (provided the bupe didn't kick in at that point, which it often does, and takes away your withdrawals) you are then safe to try taking the suboxone again without fear of getting PW's as long as you didn't use an opiate in between.

But if you have used copious amounts, or have taken something like methadone, taking buprenorphine again too soon after PWs might just restart them or make them even worse. It has happened to me. Just make sure you are in regular withdrawal and not still suffering after effects from taking subutex.

I'd just wait at least 24 hours before taking subs after using dope/morphine or any other short lasting opiate. With methadone I'd wait at least 4 days.

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

^^

Right, that's why I said unless you had a high amount of opiates in your system. In that case, the bupe wouldn't remove all of it from your receptors, so when the PW's ended and you took the bupe again, you could very well end up with another bout of precipitated withdrawals. That's why it is recommended to wait until you reach a high enough score on the COWS scale again from regular withdrawal, after the PW's ended, before taking bupe again.

Inducting onto bupe can be a complicated process. It's a very odd drug and there are a lot of variables that affect how it works.

 

[Kid Amine]

Welcome to BL!

banged some subutex earlier today..

Banging subs will never give a rush, and those pills are HUGE and weigh quite a bit - the binders and inert ingredients account for 98% of the pill's weight. If you do this in the future, please use a micron filter... better yet, let it dissolve under your tongue.

"So my question now is this--Now that my precipitated withdrawal period seems to be over, am I completely off the hook? That is to say, am I no longer physically addicted to opiates? Or did that "not count" as a regular withdrawal, and regular withdrawal is still to come?"

You will still go into WD from the subs as they are agonist as well as antagonist. They are working on the same receptors as the heroin. Your WD shouldnt be as bad tho since you've gotten thru some of it already. WD is going to depend on a ton of factors, like how long you've been doing H, ho much, how often, your body chemistry, and probably, most important, your mindset. Half of WD is mental, and after the initial acute WD, all that remains... for quite a while in my case. gl

 

[Elkat13]

You won't be over all your physical addiction, but you'll be on your way to just being hooked on Suboxone which is easier to ween off of than heroin. But you'll definitely still be opiate dependent for a while.

 

[smadak]

Banging subs will never give a rush, and those pills are HUGE and weigh quite a bit - the binders and inert ingredients account for 98% of the pill's weight. If you do this in the future, please use a micron filter... better yet, let it dissolve under your tongue.

Oh I wasn't shooting it for a rush or for a high. I usually only shot them to get out of withdrawals, although occasionally I may have some prepared for feeling sick but don't want to wait for the sickness to actually come... and so shoot them early. OR just get bored and do it early, like in this case. Not sure what a micron filter is but I've never had problems with cottons... yes, there's plenty of gook leftover but the shot does its job--stops withdrawals. Unless you're impatient and do it too soon like moi

 

[missmeyet?]

Yes but all of that "stuff" that is not being effectively filtered out by cotton is what could kill you down the road. Please read up on these threads...

http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/445570-Case-Studies-(It-could-happen-to-YOU-)

And about micron filters and why they are vital to anyone who shoots pills:

http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/481622-Micron-Filtering-Mega-Thread-and-FAQ

Thread for all the info you could want on bupe (subs):

http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/704514-Suboxone-Buprenorphine-Mega-Thread-and-FAQ-v17-0?p=12054536#post12054536