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What ever happened to PCP?

I've heard some older Bluelighters raving about how great PCP was when it used to be widespread. One member I talked to calls it 'the Rolls Royce of dissociatives'. So I wonder why it seems to be non-existent these days.

The media scare stories and freakouts don't seem any worse than meth or the pyrovalerone drugs, yet those are everywhere and plain ol' PCP is nowhere to be found. Is the reasoning here just the same as MXE? Dissos are hard to synth for a small lab and big labs are focusing on the legal analogues? Or is PCP just not as good for most people as those who tried it remember it being?
What happened was the feds made it a 10 year minimum for having, selling, or manufacturing it. I knew scientists making the stuff for years. No one wanted the risk if someone gave them up. It was never inconsistent, if you went to the right people making it. It was always the perfect trip if you knew your dose. The come down or the side effects were nonexistent.
And that is what makes it the "Rolls Royce of Dissociatives"

Right after the thinning of the manufacturers is when the internet took off and other dissociatives were available. More information was out on lots of other drugs, never heard of before.

I still don't think we have anything close, 3meopcp was about the best you could get.

Open to suggestions 😁
 
All those videos on Youtube of guys walking the streets naked
I suspect some of those videos don't involve PCP intoxication but PCP is taking the rap for it anyway.

tearing out fences and getting jiggy with it whilst screaming like baboons and fighting-off an entire paddy-wagon full of Cops, that’s happened to PCP!
:ROFLMAO: Hahaha that description is hilarious! I think the concept of an old school paddywagon is both very British and funny as hell.

But you're right – PCP was demonized in the 1970s, which were a peculiar decade. PCP was made into a boogeyman back before the fact-checking era of the Internet. The decade brought about dark things:a surge in serial killers, airplane hijackings, global terrorism, plus US presidential impeachment, the Iranian Shiite revolution, war and unrest in Vietnam, proxy wars, civil war in Cambodia, and violent hotbeds of conflict between Pakistan and India in Kashmir, the Palestinians and Israelis in Gaza and the West Bank, and the Northern Ireland conflict between the IRA and the UK began during that decade that started only 25 years after the end of World War II. So it makes sense to me that the scary legendary stuff from that era would be something like PCP, ya know?

Who on Gods earth would want to try that stuff after watching those videos…
That alone should be evidence that there must be something compelling and enjoyable about PCP or else virtually no one would use it. For example, this is, I think, why DXM is widely available over-the-counter. It sucks as a recreational substance and so no one wants it. Problem takes care of itself.

The PCP-induced psychosis state is more uncommon than YouTube would lead one to believe. If you practice responsible use + harm reduction strategies and are mindful of your dose, PCP can be a wonderful, compelling experience ranging from a kickass time with friends to a soul-searching spiritual vibe from another dimension. Like most dissos, PCP is very dose-sensitive. And after all, dose makes the difference between a medicine and a poison, right?

I use PCP ~15x/year and have done so for the past 20+ years. Balance can be achieved, friends. Drugs are only dangerous when used with ignorance or malice. Plus, there's something of a self-fulfilling prophecy at play; i.e.: people incorrectly believe PCP causes all of its users instant psychosis and they subconsciously prep their own nervous systems to have a similar response.

Remember: expectation is the thief of joy.

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I've heard some older Bluelighters raving about how great PCP was when it used to be widespread.
To be clear, this hasn't changed – PCP is still great. The myths and folklore legends about its supposed danger and ability to set off psychotic breaks have ensconced the drug in a mysterious cloud that is at once terrifying and alluring. Most people have no clue what its effects are even like and they've literally never seen the drug IRL.

Just off the top of my head, I can think of five different cities with some form of PCP on the streets – dust, dippers, sherm (on mint leaves). In my experience, the format preference for delivery seems to be regional with sherm in NYC, dippers in DC and Philly, and powder "angel dust" in Oakland, but all types can be found in Southern California if you know the right people and can navigate your way through the right hoods.

One member I talked to calls it 'the Rolls Royce of dissociatives'.
Ha, I've heard this before and I ♥️ that nickname.

So I wonder why it seems to be non-existent these days.
I suppose it helps to know where to look. But I think it's a symptom of it having a sketchy reputation coupled with heavy criminal statutes and bad PR perception. I must say: I enjoy 3-MeO-PCP and 3-HO-PCP as well and was glad to see them both on the RC scene. Wish they'd come back around… the other 3-substituted phencyclidine structural analogues just don't quite cut it for yours truly.

The media scare stories and freakouts don't seem any worse than meth or the pyrovalerone drugs, yet those are everywhere and plain ol' PCP is nowhere to be found.
I disagree. The media scare stories and freakouts for PCP seem worse to me – distinctly unsettling and much more violent. Pyrovalerone drugs – sad how often it's just a sensationalist guess, as was the case with that FL man who ate some homeless guy's face and a cop on the scene told reporters he guessed it was "probably because of LSD or bath salts" and the media just ran with that. Later, it was revealed the attacker wasn't on anything at all; he'd just had a psychotic break on his own but few ppl saw that follow up article as it wasn't headline worthy. You know, sometimes people are just violently insane, unfortunately.

De todos modos, in my world, I can find meth and I can find PCP, no problem. If I want a pyrovalerone drug, well, I have a stash of α-PVP I stocked up on because I really like that drug and after seeing what crappened to MXE, any time a research chemical comes along and impresses me, I stock up now just in case. And sure enough, it's become difficult finding α-PVP any longer… there are RC vendors of other, similar compounds like α-PiHP and the sort, but they're never quite the same

Is the reasoning here just the same as MXE? Dissos are hard to synth for a small lab and big labs are focusing on the legal analogues?
Hard to say. MXE came from the RC scene and stopped when it was banned in China along with a handful of other specific compounds. Procuring the necessary equipment and precursors is very tricky for any clandestine chemist with zero connections to the chemical engineering industry and/or academia. Otherwise, the chemistry is straightforward enough for most of the arylcycloalkylamines. It's just involved enough to require many specific reagents, more than a half dozen reactions at not-so-stellar yields, and a limited market demand. It's a wonder to me that illicit PCP still maintains a limited presence in certain cities.

Or is PCP just not as good for most people as those who tried it remember it being?
PCP hasn't disappeared. The popularity of ketamine and RC dissos leads me to believe PCP would be more popular were it not for the sketchy reputation and it mostly only being sold in the hood and ghettos of the U.S., neighborhoods in the low socio-economic stratosphere with high victim-bearing crime rates. It's a real shame, but another example of why—while it's good having friends in high places—sometimes it's good to have friends in low places, as it were, too… or ultimately why you should seek to network and maintain relationships with people from all walks of life, neither looking down your nose nor revering anyone too much.
 
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PCP is mostly isolated deep in the hoods of a few major cities of the US. The general public and media has little concern about the impoverished junkie and his activities or use for him in these areas except when it's election time.

As mentioned previously penalties for poss / manufacturing are harsh for US standards and often met with enhanced sentencing.

One can have a half ounce personal use in liquid form. A half ounce may be a 2 or 3 day personal supply. Yet here in DC liquid pcp is automatically thought of and elevated to charge of distribution.

"However, §48-904.01(d)(2) imposes an elevated penalty on those found in possession of the liquid form of phencyclidine (PCP). In this case, the offense is a felony with a penalty of up to $12,500 in fines and three years in prison."

Quite the contrast across the state line into neighboring PG county which may result in nolo contendere.

Many in the "hoods" possess prior drug arrest history, plus convinction points this 3 year sentence of poss of liquid pcp becomes possible 20 years.

Despite the risks including federal enhancement penalties, PCP hasn't gone anywhere. The hoods and the pcp that is loved is all but forgotten by the outside world specifically the ghettos of DC which continues to enjoy it's title of PCP capital of the world.
 
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Despite the risks including federal enhancement penalties, PCP hasn't gone anywhere. The hoods and the pcp that is loved is all but forgotten by the outside world specifically the ghettos of DC which continues to enjoy it's title of PCP capital of the world.
The Looooooove Booooooooat… The Sherminator. Indeed in the late 90s and early 2000s, I found myself many nights at Club Nations at the intersection of Half Street and K street in the Southwest quadrant of Washington, DC. The club was massive, three storeys with an outdoor deck that overlooked the U.S. Capitol building. Just outside the club, DC's unhoused and fine connoisseurs / purveyors of the city's latest PCP offerings, my crew and I would make friends with many of them, and we'd trade them Ketamine for dippers. OMFG, those dippers were out of this fucking world. So good. I would have super intense, long, dramatic seemingly trips in my head that took place in a completely different reality. I find it very inspiring and I'm definitely not done exploring that space yet, that much is for sure. The smell and taste of that stuff though, Good God, man. Not for the faint of heart, that's for sure.
 
The Looooooove Booooooooat… The Sherminator. Indeed in the late 90s and early 2000s, I found myself many nights at Club Nations at the intersection of Half Street and K street in the Southwest quadrant of Washington, DC. The club was massive, three storeys with an outdoor deck that overlooked the U.S. Capitol building. Just outside the club, DC's unhoused and fine connoisseurs / purveyors of the city's latest PCP offerings, my crew and I would make friends with many of them, and we'd trade them Ketamine for dippers. OMFG, those dippers were out of this fucking world. So good. I would have super intense, long, dramatic seemingly trips in my head that took place in a completely different reality. I find it very inspiring and I'm definitely not done exploring that space yet, that much is for sure. The smell and taste of that stuff though, Good God, man. Not for the faint of heart, that's for sure.
Wow we used to ride around parking lot Pimping that block during the let outs!

That block of SW (technically SE) also had the Mirage, arguably the most popular hip hop /urban nightclub in the city. Also on that block was club 55, a strip club geared more towards lesbians.

With these 3 clubs including the Nations and maybe others I forget there were hundreds of people stumbling on the streets at once after closing. I was young then but old enough to know it was like paradise down there when we would ride around!

All of it is gone now, as they make way for the stadium.

There's a hood on the other side in SW that we used to get our dippers from. Also back up and around Pennsylvania ave/395 was a notorious projects that had it.

One thing I learned later transitioning into crack was crack is everything in the city. Even though DC is PCP capital you still may have to put some effort into finding some.

Late night boat runs were the worse as it sometimes took 3 or 4 people that knows somebody that knows somebody and a few hours after checking out a dozen hoods to finally touch down. By this time it's 5 people on a stick!
 
I think 'unpredictable and too long-acting covers it'.

As for the synthesis - well it's simpler than K or MXE. If one is prepared to settle for PCE, it's 2 steps.

But THAT is 1970s technology. More modern chemistry is now available.
 
Didn't Hamilton's episode on PCP explain that most of the production of street PCP back when it was popular was by a few people in California who secretly knew a special recipe? There was one chemist who taught a couple of other dudes in the city, but they guarded it. Then that small group slowly got arrested or died and they were highly protective and never passed down the recipe? By that time it had fallen out of style due to all the insane scare stories in the media.

That's what I recall at least, as to why you don't see it anymore. I assume the precursors aren't easy to come by either.



"The professor"

don't take this the wrong way but to make PCP any undergraduate can do it lol its really simple too make, no secret recipe. Its literally a simple grind reaction and reduction reaction and POOF you got PCP See the reaction scheme attached. when I wads in graduate school I jokingly taught some undergraduate searches how to make it in our research lab. It helped them better understand the grindard reaction LOL
 
don't take this the wrong way but to make PCP any undergraduate can do it lol its really simple too make, no secret recipe. Its literally a simple grind reaction and reduction reaction and POOF you got PCP See the reaction scheme attached. when I wads in graduate school I jokingly taught some undergraduate searches how to make it in our research lab. It helped them better understand the grindard reaction LOL
I think the "secret" was more the precursors used and not the synthesis. These were street kids doing it, so I think sourcing the precursors would be the real trick. That's what I thought they were eluding to.
 
don't take this the wrong way but to make PCP any undergraduate can do it lol its really simple too make, no secret recipe. Its literally a simple grind reaction and reduction reaction and POOF you got PCP See the reaction scheme attached. when I wads in graduate school I jokingly taught some undergraduate searches how to make it in our research lab. It helped them better understand the grindard reaction LOL
No no, it's not that. It has to do with the difficulty of sourcing the necessary precursors & equipment. LSD synthesis is technically within the realm of an undergrad. Good luck sourcing ergotamine tartrate though.

I think the "secret" was more the precursors used and not the synthesis. These were street kids doing it, so I think sourcing the precursors would be the real trick. That's what I thought they were eluding to.
Bingo. [EDIT: although my inner OCD wants to correct "eluding" to "alluding"; apologies].
 
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don't take this the wrong way but to make PCP any undergraduate can do it lol its really simple too make, no secret recipe. Its literally a simple grind reaction and reduction reaction and POOF you got PCP See the reaction scheme attached. when I wads in graduate school I jokingly taught some undergraduate searches how to make it in our research lab. It helped them better understand the grindard reaction LOL

Fair play - and Grignards have come a long way.
 
I think the "secret" was more the precursors used and not the synthesis. These were street kids doing it, so I think sourcing the precursors would be the real trick. That's what I thought they were eluding to.
I was actually just thinking the same thing. Or they were making there precursors which is a level above what I showed you. Then they would be making the hexane ring and turning it into a grinard reagent. I fucking love organic chemistry
 
Yeah - in fact you can make it in 1 step - a reductive amination. Simple.
 
Are barbiturates easy to make? I was reading it's basically just precursors reacted with urea :unsure:
Barbiturates are derivatives of barbituric acid (malonyl urea), which is formed from malonic acid and urea. Barbital was first synthesized in 1903, and phenobarbital became available in 1912

With that said, those reaction to make the barbiturates could be very complicated in the fact that they could be stereospecific reactions or having to put on mutlple protection groups and removing different ones at different times. It may look like one molecule to another is easy to make but trust me it isn't. I'll give a simple example of a sugar, which would seem to the untrained chemistry a very easy compound to make but in fact it crazy hard. Like this reaction scheme to just make sugars
 
Why not seconal synthesis - and what does carbohydrate chemistry have to do with it? https://ibb.co/1QFgCmQ
im just using it as an example of how complex certain things can get. It has nothing to do with synthesis of any benzo. I am a trained chemist and RICO law states if I were to say certain reaction schemes on here I could theoretically be prosecuted so with that said I wouldn't post any "new" reaction scheme one may know that could lead to illegal substances lol
 
RICO law refers tp racketeering and organised crime - since I GOT the synthesis off a US site, I highly DOUBT RICO enters into it. It's in textbooks FFS! It isn't a secret.

It's also NOTHING like carbohydrate chemistry - if so frightened, show phenobarbital synthesis; a common medicine for epilepsy and thus CLEARLY not RICO.... I really have heard them all now.
 
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