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What drug is most suitable for philosophical insight?

yougene said:
Ergot for LSD
P. Cubensis and many other mushrooms for Psilocybin and Psilocin

Ergot is where you get the LSA alkaloids that are synthed into LSD. By far not a simple or quick process either. Hence the severe shortage after the last big lab bust in Ontario. It takes a while to get everything together descretely, and start growing cultures. Not to mention the apparent lack of working knowledge that it takes to make it.

Normal capped fungi are easier, and far cheaper to grow, than making LSD. This is why Mushrooms are more available, and popular.
 
i think weed opens some doors for you, or at least it kind of did for me, it made me more open to things, however i completely agree that smoking it habitually dulls you out a great deal.

The most powerful thing for me has deffinently been LSD, it is the holy grail, however i think every psychdelic has a purpose for it and your learn from it. Any of those will bring you into a more metaphysical relm of consiousness, and if your lucky you will stay in that realm long after the trip wears off.
 
David said:
Ergot is where you get the LSA alkaloids that are synthed into LSD. By far not a simple or quick process either. Hence the severe shortage after the last big lab bust in Ontario. It takes a while to get everything together descretely, and start growing cultures. Not to mention the apparent lack of working knowledge that it takes to make it.

Normal capped fungi are easier, and far cheaper to grow, than making LSD. This is why Mushrooms are more available, and popular.

Actually I think Ergots main LSD precursor is Ergotamine. There are other alkaloids it produces though, what I was talking about is the documented ability of some ergot cultures to convert certain alkaloids into LSD, this seems to be fairly uncommon and probably impractical but the point was that LSD can be a naturally occuring chemical. As for growing ergot it doesn't seem to hard, there isn't too much difference between growing ergot and growing mycellium. One is just more dangerous.
 
Ergotamine is a LA alkaloid. LSA is another name for LA. I've read something about making LSD straight from a fungi, but it wasn't of the correct variety. LSD-25 is the one you want. ALD-52 is also good as well. My chem. knowledge is still limited so I can't go too deep into that topic.
 
>>I've read something about making LSD straight from a fungi, but it wasn't of the correct variety. LSD-25 is the one you want.>>

Actually, the twenty five there just means that LSD was the twenty-fifth ergotamine derrivative that Hoffman synthesized. It has nothing to do with the chemical structure. The problem could be that this fungus (is it ergot?) will synthesize the l-isomer instead of the desired and very psychoactive d-isomer. I'm also interested in what these precursors are.

ebola
 
I'm afraid I do not recall the link but I'm sure a search would comeup with some answers.
 
Weed for me. If you forget stuff you figure out while you're high, then make yourself write things down. You know, like other philosophers do. Weed is best for looking inside (after meditation, of course), as it can dull some of your defense mechanisms without messing up the whole works.

Harder psychedelics are more powerful, but they are too rough to use very often, and they often take you so far away that it can be hard to put everything you learn together and sometimes things still won't fit. I would actually say that they might be most useful in breaking down powerful walls at the start, and then softer methods have to take over. I have yet to hear of anyone who has tripped themselves to enlightenment. As for the rest, well we aren't really talking about other drugs are we?

Any psychedelic will have negative effects if you abuse it.
 
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any substance will have negative effects upon abuse, that's a given.

I dunno, the only thoughts i've had after smoking.. is --
1) whatever the tv feeds into my head
2) damn that 2 yr old twinkie looks good
3) naptime is under-rated
 
DigitalDuality said:
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any substance will have negative effects upon abuse, that's a given.

I dunno, the only thoughts i've had after smoking.. is --
1) whatever the tv feeds into my head
2) damn that 2 yr old twinkie looks good
3) naptime is under-rated

Maybe you have gotten from it all that it has to offer. Sometimes the changes in thought aren't even noticed, maybe it was so long ago and the experiences fleeted your short-term memory quickly yet left the concepts and ideas learned within the long-term memory/subconsciouss, maybe it just doesn't work for you.
 
oxygen seems to work for many, but I don't think it's the oxygen itself rather how you use the oxygen.
 
_high_life_ said:

Sounds funny but you've hit the nail on the head for me. Deep alpha breathing via holotropic sessions boot the shit out of LSD. I did it recently and it was remarkable. Mind blowing, actually. I was considering a trip report but a lot of it was too personal to share.%) I can explain the technique if anyone is interested but I wouldn't recommend it without a knowledgable sitter (i.e. do it at a holotropic centre).
 
For the deepest philosophical and spiritual insight you can't go wrong with cyanide.


Neural_Shock, I would be interested in the technique you speak of. I doubt i'll experiment any time soon, but I find such things very interesting.
 
I dunno, the only thoughts i've had after smoking.. is --
1) whatever the tv feeds into my head
2) damn that 2 yr old twinkie looks good
3) naptime is under-rated

Weed is much more variable than most people give it credit for. I'd say a third of people who try it don't like it because they get anxious, paranoid, etc., and another third find it mostly mind numbing.

If you use it as an escape drug, then of course you won't get much out of it. It's very responsive and you can avoid looking at things you don't want to look at. I do find it slightly anaesthetic of emotions, but I find this property useful because it allows me to put surface defenses aside and think of things I otherwise would have blocked out.

I probably got as much out of my early trips as I do out of smoking a couple times, but I can smoke often enough to more than make up the difference (or could, back when I was doing drugs much). I also feel like stronger psychedelics can show you a lot but ultimately convey a single central message. I got the message, then experienced it in sober meditation, and then I hung up the phone. Weed continues to elucidate the details long afterwards.

If you get sleepy and mongy then don't smoke often, get enough sleep, and try to get your hands on some high-quality sativa. Oh, and get away from the damn TV! Just go into a quiet room and sit there, if you can stand it. Seriously, try it, I bet you'll be blown away, the intensity goes through the roof when you do that. That would maximize your chances of intellectual return, but again everybody's different.
 
normally i don't watch television. But i have a desire to be entertained on pot.. that's what i meant by it. I don't want to think, period. Pot to me has always been the least motivational or stimulating substance i've ever come across. I'm not a heavy smoker by any means. Hell i stopped all drugs for years, but even a small amount makes me just want to veg out, eat, and sleep. I don't even get giggily or happy. I'm just not there.
 
Left to Right said:
For the deepest philosophical and spiritual insight you can't go wrong with cyanide.


Neural_Shock, I would be interested in the technique you speak of. I doubt i'll experiment any time soon, but I find such things very interesting.

Well briefly... Get your sitter ready with percussive tribal music (starting with - if you can get this - a loud heart beat pulsing sound). Cover your eyes with a sleep mask and lie down on a soft mattress. Totally relax your body over the course of 30 minutes or so (I won't bother fleshing out this bit - plenty of info around - get a tape or your sitter could talk you down). Then when you are totally relaxed (no tension anywhere) start breathing very fast by sucking in air, pulling up your abdomen, getting 3/4 of lung capacity, and then blowing out again. The speed needs to be 3 breaths in 2 seconds. That's fast. The heart beat / music needs to start now! So you're going wooo-wooo wooo-wooo sucking in and out very profusely while remaining relaxed elsewhere, and focused. You must keep this going for 2 hours (I think 4 hours is max. per session). About 20 seconds into it you will notice you are getting very dizzy - like hyperventilating must feel. You will also get pins and needles in the extremities (I couldn't feel my hands after 20 mins). Nausea is possible so keep the sitter nearby with a basin. One thing - about 2-3 mins in you will feel the urge to stop and you'll wonder if you can keep this shit up. Just keep focusing on the breathing and that will quickly pass. The sitter should time the session and keep the music going.

Your sitter should be prepared for all sorts of shit, just in case. I just did it once in a group session and I saw someone relive their birth. Which meant they were writhing and screaming while the sitters strategically placed large cushions against them to keep them sort of shepherded. I would imagine most LSD-hardened individuals would be fine but it's still totally open in psychedelic terms. I found it to be profoundly euphoric. The come down rocks. It takes ages. Stop breathing at 1.5-4 hours and have your sitter talk you up (or get a tape). You are looking to slowly reintegrate (e.g. move your toes, then become aware of your legs, listen to ambient room sounds, etc etc.). Finally take off your mask and stand up (slowly). Take 30 mins for the come down. You won't feel like going anywhere anyway - in fact I would have been happy to stay like that forever.

I don't recommend hammering into this without someone knowledgable running the show. There have been reports of people losing it a bit (too open, neurotic, paranoid, anxious, etc.) after a serious session. So find a centre. I just give this info to be, you know, left-wing about it. Info is info. Hopefully nobody who reads this will try anyway due to the WTF factor and the work involved in getting the breathing going.

The guy who came up with this is Stan Groff (I think that's his name). And there are good books (e.g. The New Primal Scream - Janov). If you are looking for somewhere to try it look for Rebirth / Holotropic / Regression in listings.

EDIT: I found a quick link for some info, and contraindications. http://mzone.mweb.co.za/residents/willapsy/holotropic.html
 
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I hear Sacred Tobacco can be a powerful entheogen, I haven't done it enough or maybe not properly to gain anything from it though.

Caffeine definately promotes neural firing, question is, is it useful neural firing. It seems to be to some extent, but overall I like to stay away from it.
 
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