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What do you want?

i'd like to see a part in history where there is no suffering and then when people are teenagers they'd probably take a class in school about history and all the suffering people went through and then see which students can feel empathy toward what was going on and what people had to deal with... i think psychedelic drugs could be useful tools to help people get better understanding of how they can potentially feel.

kind of crazy to think that suffering in the world is there to help people realize their emotions better, which is the only reason why i think there would be suffering other than just viewing it as chaos. i don't really appreciate thinking that way that there is reason for suffering.
 
lecroute said:
There might be pleasure in suffering, or it might be a challenge. But then it's not real suffering, just discomfort.
Real suffering is pointless.
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lecroute said:
There might be pleasure in suffering, or it might be a challenge. But then it's not real suffering, just discomfort.
Real suffering is pointless.
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My question to @Foreigner was not necessarily supposed to be related in those ways.

I wonder, if he gave up on thinking in an attempt to minimize suffering.

Obviously anyone can answer though and is encouraged to
 
foodcrisis said:
i'd like to see a part in history where there is no suffering and then when people are teenagers they'd probably take a class in school about history and all the suffering people went through and then see which students can feel empathy toward what was going on and what people had to deal with... i think psychedelic drugs could be useful tools to help people get better understanding of how they can potentially feel.

kind of crazy to think that suffering in the world is there to help people realize their emotions better, which is the only reason why i think there would be suffering other than just viewing it as chaos. i don't really appreciate thinking that way that there is reason for suffering.
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That makes sense.

I think suffering has a real bad negative connotation. Obviously most don't go seeking it. But I do think things can be learned through it to prevent it from escalating in the future
 
Madness said:
That makes sense.

I think suffering has a real bad negative connotation. Obviously most don't go seeking it. But I do think things can be learned through it to prevent it from escalating in the future
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yeah. i think there's definitely different levels of suffering... but i think there could be a world with out mass shootings or religious hatred, abusive families, rape ect. or even a systems set up where a person could be suffering because they have to work two jobs to pay rent or whatever. or maybe some one is suffering because they want or need some type of drug to get by and are living in a part of the world where they can't get it.. all of this stuff and more is different levels of suffering. like i feel like it's pretty shallow or partially not cool for a person to be like "oh i'm suffering i have to live with out a specific drug/i could use more" compared to some one that's forced into sex trafficing or born into an abusive family whatever... i feel like all of this stuff could probably be done away with eventually. i realize when i say this a lot of people that are suffering in ways with drug use come from abusive situations. sorry if anybody notices that and thinks "wtf".

also there's no way to go with out suffering if a person gets a painful disease or gets in an accident and has to live in pain or whatever. could we make it so the roads are set up better so there would be less accidents, probably.. i mean, making everything close to perfect, there will still be suffering.

like personally, if i have to go with out weed, i feel like i'm suffering, but when that's going on my perspective is that it could be a lot worse. but thinking that, it also bothers me because i get in negative thought loops about other people's pain. i feel stupid in a way for wanting, but it's all that can go through my mind. all i can really feel is like "i hate this. i want to get stoned". doesn't make sense to me why i have to experience not smoking... i think i have more feelings of hatred/suffering/negativity having to go with out smoking cause i used to do yoga or be able to excersise in a lot of different ways which i can't now after injuring my back. it just leads to insomnia and anxiety, and i can't find there is a higher power that wants me to experience that. i mean, everything is what it is, but to just accept a world with so many flaws. i see a lot of room for fixing what we currently have... maybe having internet across the globe will help this some day. modern society supposedly hasn't been around for that long. i definitely could see something happening where the world kind of wakes up and there is a lot less bad stuff.
 
foodcrisis said:
yeah. i think there's definitely different levels of suffering... but i think there could be a world with out mass shootings or religious hatred, abusive families, rape ect. or even a systems set up where a person could be suffering because they have to work two jobs to pay rent or whatever. or maybe some one is suffering because they want or need some type of drug to get by and are living in a part of the world where they can't get it.. all of this stuff and more is different levels of suffering. like i feel like it's pretty shallow or partially not cool for a person to be like "oh i'm suffering i have to live with out a specific drug/i could use more" compared to some one that's forced into sex trafficing or born into an abusive family whatever... i feel like all of this stuff could probably be done away with eventually. i realize when i say this a lot of people that are suffering in ways with drug use come from abusive situations. sorry if anybody notices that and thinks "wtf".

also there's no way to go with out suffering if a person gets a painful disease or gets in an accident and has to live in pain or whatever. could we make it so the roads are set up better so there would be less accidents, probably.. i mean, making everything close to perfect, there will still be suffering.

like personally, if i have to go with out weed, i feel like i'm suffering, but when that's going on my perspective is that it could be a lot worse. but thinking that, it also bothers me because i get in negative thought loops about other people's pain. i feel stupid in a way for wanting, but it's all that can go through my mind. all i can really feel is like "i hate this. i want to get stoned". doesn't make sense to me why i have to experience not smoking... i think i have more feelings of hatred/suffering/negativity having to go with out smoking cause i used to do yoga or be able to excersise in a lot of different ways which i can't now after injuring my back. it just leads to insomnia and anxiety, and i can't find there is a higher power that wants me to experience that. i mean, everything is what it is, but to just accept a world with so many flaws. i see a lot of room for fixing what we currently have... maybe having internet across the globe will help this some day. modern society supposedly hasn't been around for that long. i definitely could see something happening where the world kind of wakes up and there is a lot less bad stuff.
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That makes sense I don't think it's anything you should feel guilty about saying

I agree with everyone regarding the notion of "suffering doesn't feel good".

I guess I wasn't really thinking of specific instances, or comparing levels of suffering, moreso just the idea of gaining perspective in general

Personally nothing comes of me sitting on a couch watching TV. It's a sad existance and I'm actively trying to remove myself from things such as this.

Then again, suicide is something that crosses my mind from time to time as well. More often than I'll admit. So it's not like I really care so much for the good, either.

I just can't stand being stagnant.

But this is more personal preference. However so is my original question.
 
I ld like to do the best in a situation I m in. As an expat drug using married professor of Philosophy I can t stop wars, but I can be there for my student and my wife, can help people with whatever talent I had without forgetting that I have to be kind to myself as well. I just don t ant that my weaknesses coud destroywhat I ve built.
 
I want to lose the weight of fear and anxiety I have over the future of my relationship, life, career, addiction, and decay, I want to know what its like to be hopeful and actually have your expectations met. I've become more hopeless and fearful with the weight bearing down on my head all the time.
 
Jabberwocky said:
Sometimes I know a career will provide comfort. Sometimes I know it would be a force. Sometimes I know society has value. Sometimes I know it just isn't for me.
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I am there, between the comfort I have but not happy. But I know what makes me happy maybe will take the comfort away. What I want is both, but I know that is not always possible.
 
jasperkent said:
I want whirled peas and a Lamborghini.
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Just kidding.

What do I really want? Serenity.

Not mind-blowing pleasure nor a rollercoaster of thrills. Not fame nor riches nor the "perfect" lover/soulmate.
Just a reasonable sense of well-being and an appreciation of Nature and life's simple comforts.

I mostly have that. My serenity fades when I worry about the future, regret past mistakes, or forget to be grateful. But I've learned to catch myself pretty quickly --and then pause, laugh at myself, and just relax.

Life is OK.
 
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Firstly there is a problem with the question. What "I"? If talking about the body answer would be lesss pain. If talking about a crafted persona then less of it. If talking about the "I" that has no "dog in the fight" then no words can convey it cause words belong to the persona and are poor substitute for direct understanding...and that "I" doesnt want or need no-thing.
 
Pain_in_vain said:
Firstly there is a problem with the question. What "I"? If talking about the body answer would be lesss pain. If talking about a crafted persona then less of it. If talking about the "I" that has no "dog in the fight" then no words can convey it cause words belong to the persona and are poor substitute for direct understanding...and that "I" doesnt want or need no-thing.
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"Free will" and a "self" are illusions anyway, so the question is unanswerable.
 
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