Policy What do you think about drug policy changes legalizing drugs that were previously illegal. People charged with criminal activity?

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Although drugs were not the sole reason for prohibition in the 1970s, proper information surrounding these drugs is long overdue. Some parts of the US allow marijuana, and certain psychedelics for consumer and medical use. However, in spite of recent studies and approval by certain states, they remain a class 1 felony for use and possession.

If drugs were to be approved, what happens to people serving time for drug charges?
 
I always wonder about that too. They will probably twist the wording to prevent the unleashing

of the sentencing like saying they went way over the plant limits or other alterations. Or something crazy.
 
I have an associates degree in chemical dependency counseling but I've been out of the field for several years. I wonder if the consensus for drug has changed now that marijuana is legal in New York and psychedelics are legal in other parts of the country? It used to be because drugs were against the law they were considered bad across the board. period. to be avoided because they were considered harmful.
 
I have a whole policy -- I think legalize and regulate everything and run it on a similar system as buying psuedopphed where you can only get x amount per month or w/e or they just turn you down. 21+

I would leave plant matter legal -- eat as many pods as you want to stay healthy but no extra dope.

In effect the punishment would be the stigmatization of having to ask a friend or w/e cuz you were over your 'monthly' limit and didnt just go to a plant matter that would 'suffice'. (Or risking doing illegal chemistry to create more - I guess you could go that route rather than ask a friend if were stubborn)

Still keep rehab's but they need giant reform (See "The great american rehab scheme" they literally stealin humans to throw in rehab)
 
I didn't answer your question at all my apologies -- this time you got me on a full ramble.

If I had my say they would be set free .... my 'deferred sentence' of mj paraphenalia still exists despite it's legalization.

My guess is those that have money to appeal will --- and god knows how that works out our justice system is a crapshoot -- that will set the precedent for everyone else.
 
When convicted of violating a Controlled Substances Act (CSA) I’d think the actual drug involved or it’s rescheduling wouldn’t affect the statues of the conviction without an expressed directive for leniency. Guilt is not viewed in retrospect as the laws of society evolve, be it criminalization or decriminalization; justice remains blind and only deals in the here and now.

If CAS laws were applied retrospectively someone convicted of trafficking or possession THC oil across state lines may get relief from the scheduled substance, but find themselves falling foul of pharmaceutical and tax laws. The whole thing would be unworkable, even possibly double jeopardy in some cases.

A more likely scenario would be amnesty on a case-by-case basis.
 
I didn't answer your question at all my apologies -- this time you got me on a full ramble.

If I had my say they would be set free .... my 'deferred sentence' of mj paraphenalia still exists despite it's legalization.

My guess is those that have money to appeal will --- and god knows how that works out our justice system is a crapshoot -- that will set the precedent for everyone else.
 
When convicted of violating a Controlled Substances Act (CSA) I’d think the actual drug involved or it’s rescheduling wouldn’t affect the statues of the conviction without an expressed directive for leniency. Guilt is not viewed in retrospect as the laws of society evolve, be it criminalization or decriminalization; justice remains blind and only deals in the here and now.

If CAS laws were applied retrospectively someone convicted of trafficking or possession THC oil across state lines may get relief from the scheduled substance, but find themselves falling foul of pharmaceutical and tax laws. The whole thing would be unworkable, even possibly double jeopardy in some cases.

A more likely scenario would be amnesty on a case-by-case basis.

Aye, they are never going to admit the law was wrong. You still broke it and knew what you were doing etc ...

Biden freed a shit ton of ppl in prison for pot his way out --- pardon commuted sentence im not sure how it worked but thousands were freed. (, 1500 or 15k if I recall) - Pot is suppose to go sched 3 but the farm act loophole date is coming fast

That was a different thing though -- I would expect nothing unless you personally pay and fight for it. I think that is a fairly safe presumption
 
I have a whole policy -- I think legalize and regulate everything and run it on a similar system as buying psuedopphed where you can only get x amount per month or w/e or they just turn you down. 21+

I would leave plant matter legal -- eat as many pods as you want to stay healthy but no extra dope.

In effect the punishment would be the stigmatization of having to ask a friend or w/e cuz you were over your 'monthly' limit and didnt just go to a plant matter that would 'suffice'. (Or risking doing illegal chemistry to create more - I guess you could go that route rather than ask a friend if were stubborn)

Still keep rehab's but they need giant reform (See "The great american rehab scheme" they literally stealin humans to throw in rehab)
It should be up to the individual how much they do, if they're legally an adult. If you want to consume yourself into the ground, that's your prerogative. I can drink as much bleach as I want, eat as many bullets as I can handle, etc. Drugs should be no different.
 
That is a fair point and I honestly don't disagree. But "Unlimited drugs for everyone" doesn't sound like much of a policy. The less people that the "Civvys" see harmed the better chance there is it holds? In this hypothetical lol
It should be up to the individual how much they do, if they're legally an adult. If you want to consume yourself into the ground, that's your prerogative. I can drink as much bleach as I want, eat as many bullets as I can handle, etc. Drugs should be no different.
 
That is a fair point and I honestly don't disagree. But "Unlimited drugs for everyone" doesn't sound like much of a policy. The less people that the "Civvys" see harmed the better chance there is it holds? In this hypothetical lol
The thing is not everyone is going to partake in the drugs. It's just like alcohol. It's there for anyone who has the money for it (in unlimited quantity), but a large portion of the populace either doesn't do it at all, or drinks very little. I don't think it would be an all encompassing society destroying thing.

Alcohol is responsible for 3 times as many deaths as opiates since 1997 (might be 1993 I can't remember) according to the NIH and CDC as well. It's the legal one though... (though I'm also not sure how the legality of it might affect the death toll as well)

My big thing is—for a while at least, and even now I'm sure—the saying "It's my body, my choice." is touted as the rallying cry for women's rights. If that's the case... then it's my body, and my choice.
 
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you know I agree. Likewise noone should have access to your bodily fluids without your consent or image/data. (Different argument same sentiment)

I just think it is a tough sell ---- you saw the way they soft shoed pot in the door "Its for cancer patients" --- Okay "Anyone with pain or anxiety" --- Okay Everyone.

I guess I am thinking more from a roll out perspective and less from an "This would be ideal" perspective --- which is silly since this is going nowhere lol
The thing is not everyone is going to partake in the drugs. It's just like alcohol. It's there for anyone who has the money for it (in unlimited quantity), but a large portion of the populace either doesn't do it at all, or drinks very little. I don't think it would be an all encompassing society destroying thing.

Alcohol is responsible for 3 times as many deaths as opiates since 1997 (might be 1993 I can't remember) according to the NIH and CDC as well. It's the legal one though... (though I'm also not sure how the legality of it might affect the death toll as well)

My big thing is—for a while at least, and even now I'm sure—the saying "It's my body, my choice." is touted as the rallying cry for women's rights. If that's the case... then it's my body, and my choice.
 
you know I agree. Likewise noone should have access to your bodily fluids without your consent or image/data. (Different argument same sentiment)

I just think it is a tough sell ---- you saw the way they soft shoed pot in the door "Its for cancer patients" --- Okay "Anyone with pain or anxiety" --- Okay Everyone.

I guess I am thinking more from a roll out perspective and less from an "This would be ideal" perspective --- which is silly since this is going nowhere lol
It is. Going nowhere I mean. We really need to band together as a people and stop fighting over trivial shit all the time. That's the number one problem plaguing us.
 
The short answer...

Nothing. Maybe some early releases, mass conditonal paroles* and nullified sentences for Non violent offenders. Won't matter anyway. The damage is done and most people will probably wanna go right back after failing to sustain the cost of living since most Americans w/o rap sheet can barely making ends meet. We know damn well ain't no one getting an apartment for $15/hr, sorry... $8/hr.

The Reason we are all FUBAR...(The Long Answer)

The US government has far too much overreach in every aspect of the citizens lives, and their hands in every pocket. This is and has done nothing but get progressively worse over the course of the last 40 or 50 years, which started with The Harrison Act(1914). It assigned races to drugs and was the precursor to The Control Substances Act(1970) which assigned prison sentences to the drugs and associated races.

The minorites/poor stay suffocated in criminal injustice, addiction, disease, and poverty. Causing their quality of life to systemically diminish over generations, forcing them turn to addiction and crime because they're caught in a revolving door system that was never designed to handle a public health problem. They capitalized on moral failure (which is bullshit)and suffering, and through this well oiled machine's socioeconomic downturn, still managed to reap a profit from misery. Essentially making the poor, even poorer... and the rich even richer. That is the main reason drugs will never be totally legal and nothing will ever really get accomplished when it comes to drug policy. It's not a criminal justice problem. It's a money problem, and the a massive void of education and public health resources. Until it properly addressed a such we will continue to see lives destroyed by drugs and billions to be made off of their illegality.
The answer is fucking elementary, just decriminalize and and do fair tax regulation, the same way that tobacco and alcohol are. Prison sentences nullified for nonviolent offenders conditionally that they cannot retain civil lawsuits. I mean, we have to draw the line somewhere. But that's too big of a loss for them and they'll do just about anything to prevent that. We have just built up too much around criminalizing our behavior and stigmatizing the drug slash criminal archetype. The two are now synonymous.

So by any means, they must keep this status quo. Inciting civil unrest by infusing and spreading race hatred, political views , religion and sexual orientation propaganda. They assimilate their nonsense, lies and hate unto us any way they can. And the reason is simple, Because it's an effective distraction. It takes the attention away from what is really going on... a race to the bottom for poverty and Third World status with plumbing. Funny how much of the "richest" country in the world looks like a scene from resident evil with homeless zombies walking around in groves through deteriorating cities.

Where is all that money going? All those cash and property seizures? All those taxes that get paid with money that we print out. It's a fucking joke. Why are children so stupid? They can't even read and they keep cutting education budgets across the nation. They want our children, stupid and ignorant. They don't teach them important things like finances and chemistry anymore. Our infrastructure is crumbling and our roads riddled with potholes. But you can put your ass that tax from your city is on your paycheck every fucking week. This country has become the exact thing that it has ran from when it was forged from resistance to empirical rule. It is ruling its citizens empirically in invading every aspect of their lives. Telling them what they can and can't do with their children, with the chemicals they buy or drug they can't put into their bodies. And these nefarious groups continue to push these agendas constantly in the background while all the bullshit fighting in the forefront is what gets the headlines.
Fuck drug policy...how about the way they teach slavery to children? It should be a crime against humanity I because little white children grow up filled with guilt and little black children grow up being taught to be victims. They failed to mention it began with Arabs and Africans and any African-American professor will tell you the exact same thing. But no, they allocated a whole month to remind us of how shitty of a country we are. Why is there no Indigenous history month or Jewish history month? This country is a fucking joke. That's why everybody's laughing at us. That's why everybody hates Americans. We are so proud right?

Well, you know what they say. Pride comes before fall. Don't hold your breath for drug policy changes or anything truly positive while the people that are in power hold the keys to the gates.
 
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If drugs were to be approved, what happens to people serving time for drug charges?
User s are for a long while not prosecuted for having scheduled substance s. Not prosecuting individual users. Good thing. But a half ass system they have.

As the use of will be written down, so after being let go because you got a user amount of drug x. It s still black/ white in a Police record. And stigmatized rest of your live.
Where i recede all the 3 rd party s int-winded with the Cop s get notified too.

Without consent & behind your back off course. So even when they would set people free. Most logical action imo. Stigma will remain a burden of shame. And possible worse. Not getting adequate treatment when needed. Like when in pain not getting medicated. That kinda scenario comes to mind.

That and a lot of other biased crap. Based on a false assumption.
 
Crazy how they treat women and those with complex pain syndromes...they treat you as though you are subhuman...it's disgusting.

Humans have rights. Period. This is why people turn against governments. If governments would stop treating pain patients and women like 2nd class citizens, then you wouldn't need to worry about protests, civil unrest, all the other stuff.

It's the power play that makes everyone angry, anyone who cares that is.
 
They should be acquitted 100% of the time. If they've had a previous drug (only) related record it should be wiped. If a substance or act becomes morally and legally permissible without the nature around its use having been changed, that means the only difference between permissible and not is the government's attitude.
 
Right the question was what do I think --- not 'lets make a reasonable negotiation that may happen'

As it WONT --- NOONE CARES WHAT WE THINK. (Afaik) So lets be as trivial af
 
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