What do you do if you panic on LSD?

[massiveinminiature]

Just breath and appreciate that it is as a consequence of taking a hallucinogen and that if you try (if possible) to ride it out you'll get through it ............there may well be some psychological aftermath to deal with but hey ho that's the way it goes

 

[massiveinminiature]

I take a benzo.

If not, I go for a walk, let my friends know, change the music if necessary etc.

I've never really panicked on LSD as such, but then againmy baseline has never reall been am anxious kind or body.

Now that I think about it, the only time I've really panicked is when I've thought I was trapped in some kind of freaky Salvia divinorum reality.

Try coming off a ten year addiction of methadone and then taking AMT to try and improve my mind set but being so disorientated and delirious from withdrawal I dosed myself x100 the recommended dose and spent three whole days awake in a world that was no longer colour but in hues of grey and purple. At first I thought this was interesting but after a day and a half of being stationery on the settee I started to think I'd done some permanent damage and this was it for me!!!

Luckily I had my husband to reassure me and once we'd established my error I was able to just ride it out on the fecking settee!!

 

[Tranced]

Try coming off a ten year addiction of methadone and then taking AMT to try and improve my mind set but being so disorientated and delirious from withdrawal I dosed myself x100 the recommended dose and spent three whole days awake in a world that was no longer colour but in hues of grey and purple. At first I thought this was interesting but after a day and a half of being stationery on the settee I started to think I'd done some permanent damage and this was it for me!!!

Luckily I had my husband to reassure me and once we'd established my error I was able to just ride it out on the fecking settee!!

Fuck, AMT is relentless at the best of times, never mind that kind of dose! The most powerful LSD has been for me was off one of those Alex Grey Hoffman blotters which were about the UK back in 2004 - you know the ones.

That was my first time. I reckon If I'd have two I'd have definitely panicked. It 100% kicked my arse. Contrary to my previous advice about going for a walk etc, I just curled up in the fetal position waiting for my friend to shut the fuck up.

 

[massiveinminiature]

Fuck, AMT is relentless at the best of times, never mind that kind of dose! The most powerful LSD has been for me was off one of those Alex Grey Hoffman blotters which were about the UK back in 2004 - you know the ones.

That was my first time. I reckon If I'd have two I'd have definitely panicked. It 100% kicked my arse. Contrary to my previous advice about going for a walk etc, I just curled up in the fetal position waiting for my friend to shut the fuck up.

I do indeed know the one's!! Fabulous fabulous and wonderful!!!!

I took twenty one eve then went swimming at 8:00 a.m the next morning to watch the droplets of water come off my hands when doing back stroke turn in to iridescent jewels !! It was fab but a good job I didn't know anyone there at the time as I may not have been able to reciprocate in conversation at that moment in time.

 

[SpitzDss]

in my opinion the best thing to do is to change up your setting, move room, or go on a little walk, listen to some music that really gets you hyped up or happy or watever your into. i remember SWIM had to take the train home from a friends house, they where feeling quite anxious on the journey but as soon as SWIM reached familiar area and put his earphones in to play some music, the trip got alot better and SWIM started to feel "yeah i made it" kind of euphoric feeling

 

[mr peabody]

Stare into the candle flame without averting your gaze until the effects of the substance abate.

 

[Crashing]

One time I was on a strong LSD trip with a buddy, things were getting too far out. So we decided to build a fire and steam some clams. Couldn't have asked for anything more grounding. But if you're the type of person to burn yourself I guess this may be bad advice. We grew up in the woods so playing with fire was one of my stronger suits.

Probably best to keep the hose nearby, or at least a bucket of water. Don't do this is the very hot climates, you might burn the place down.

 

[Jabberwocky]

You guys are definitely onto something with the fire gazing. It's great to see this mentioned so want to chime in as well. When I tripped more frequently than is wise many years ago I would always accompany my trips with a camp fire. I felt like it kept me sane. I had a fire pit on the property I was staying on and firewood was littered about everywhere and it was part of my ritual. Nice to hear other people saying the same thing. There is something about gazing into the fire that comsumes your thoughts. Better of course if you incorporate the fire as part of the ritual of tripping before reaching a state of panic first IMO. Don't fuck with the fire too much though. I would sometimes get swept away and start doing stupid shit like throwing all this stuff into the fire. I once threw an aerosol can into the flame and it exploded and side-swiped my face and nearly took it out. I got lucky. So yeah, respect and common sense and all that. Candles are just as powerful and much safer.

Similarly, laying in a bathtub (especially during comeup) is very conductive towards dislodging stuck energies in the emotional body. I mapped the four perceptual bodies to the four alchemical elements: physical body(earth/salt and crystals), mental body(fire), emotional body(water) and spiritual body (air/breath) and would consciously incorporate these into my trips. frequent tripping still caught up with me eventually, but I got away with a lot and I believe it was these psychospiritual and shamanic practices that were the most helpful to consciously incorporate to integrate the power of psychedelic experiences.

 

[morphine-dreams]

OP, based on everything you've said so far, I would avoid LSD or at least try micro-dosing first. What about mushrooms? 190bpm is really up there, I've had panic attacks where I was sure I was having some type of cardiac event and my pulse was still only around 140-160. Anxiety or not, it doesn't sound like a great idea. It'll be hard to relax and let go when you've had the experiences you've had on it. Have you had a reaction like this on other stimulating drugs? A resting heart rate of 190 would have me concerned despite what the ER docs said, it could just be anxiety but it's still high enough to maybe look further into it. Although I guess I could see how if any drug were to cause that bad of a panic attack, it'd be too much LSD.

 

[Crashing]

I find that Kratom allows me to keep a reasonable heart rate without fail. But, it's a lot more money every month that i could be using for consumer products, or saving. It's also an addiction, which can be psychologically detrimental. I'm not recommending kratom, it's definitely quite the controversy these days and I like to avoid controversy.

So, for an anxious person, maybe some beer would be good. Perhaps a little bit of LSD, only when you're ready. Both come with dangers though. I find worrying about things is sort of draining, so I tend to avoid it because I don't like being drained.

 

[Inditium]

OP, based on everything you've said so far, I would avoid LSD or at least try micro-dosing first. What about mushrooms? 190bpm is really up there, I've had panic attacks where I was sure I was having some type of cardiac event and my pulse was still only around 140-160. Anxiety or not, it doesn't sound like a great idea. It'll be hard to relax and let go when you've had the experiences you've had on it. Have you had a reaction like this on other stimulating drugs? A resting heart rate of 190 would have me concerned despite what the ER docs said, it could just be anxiety but it's still high enough to maybe look further into it. Although I guess I could see how if any drug were to cause that bad of a panic attack, it'd be too much LSD.

Well... It was probably only 190 because I was freaking out, tripping, and confused in the ambulance and hospital. I could barely tell what was going on. I was convinced I was being transported to a death bed or something because the paramedics said that there was nothing they could give me. (I didn't even know my heart rate was 190 or what they meant; I thought I was going to die) I figured it out a few hours later, and then it was easier to calm down, knowing it was just anxiety. I didn't call the ambulance because my heart rate was 190; I called them because I felt really horrible and was convinced I was about to die. My heart rate was probably 130-150 before I had called them. Even when I go in for medical checks, my heart rate jumps up to 120 from anxiety and then at home, it's back down to 70-80. I think if I had just fought through it, I would've been fine, but my heart rate would've still probably fluctuated with constant palpitations which I'm not sure is dangerous or not.

 

[nuube]

I've had several difficult experiences on psychedelics, (all of which when integrated were beneficial/life improving and they've been followed by positive experiences of psychedelics so wouldn't swear off them on what appears to be an anxiety reaction, (see point at bottom).

If you find your self in a difficult place you can change where you are; if you've been coped up in the same room for several hours a move outside briefly can bring you back round, if you have safe access to outside, another room is a second best but still good alternative.

I've found eating something normalising things very quickly, (added bonus to this you don't kill the trip) - we eat so often and it is so innate in us it distracts from the anxiety and negative thought loops and I found out a new desert that tasted sublime when I was in a psychedelic panic but horrible straight .

It's been mentioned several times here, and for a damn good reason but breath/breathe - I decided to push my boundaries with 4-HO-MET and got caught in a loop of uncontrollable laughing and weeping, (the laughing was good in fairness - trying not to make too much noise as people were sleeping made things even funnier) while not being a person given to either of those two displays of emotion. After several loops of this I realised what was happening and took myself to bed and with some very focused attention blocked out everything but my breath long enough for the heart rate to relax and my body and mind to follow, (two for one here as I changed my setting too).

Benzo's - the effect of physically taking one can be enough to start the trip settling even before the drug has hit the system in my experience. Once I've gotten into a tizzy - say I think aches and pains in my body are from an overdose of the drug/ bad batch, (I don't take my quite potent pain killers before I trip as it dulls it or even prevents it completely), when I take the benzo I start to realise the other drug is not leaving my system its just being suppressed by ANOTHER drug so its only the drug and its not real and I relax. So maybe before you kill the trip a bit of time focusing on the fact that you have taken a drug with a known safety profile, (again I refer you to my point below), and you are going to be safe as it is just a temporary side-effect.

My final point also mentioned on several posts - ride the storm, fighting the fear only makes it worse, (in your case as you get scared your body produces adrenaline and that increase the heart rate and BP which in turn increases the anxiety and around we go). I took a trip on salvia and realised I was dying, I lay in bed wondering what the hell was my family going to do and I didn't want to die, etc and it was no good I knew I was going to die. I realised that fighting and struggling wasa useless and only going to ruin my last moments of life so gave in deciding to experience death. It was an intense experience even giving into it but it got a to the place where I could manage it, (thank fuck that drug has a short duration). It can be very hard sometimes not to fight as it is our instinct to do so.

Prevention is better than cure so since you've tripped often I will assume you are aware of and had taken into account the holy trinity of tripping - Drug, Set and Setting. You don't seem to mention any of the 3 unless I am missing something so that's the first things I'd look at check out if something went wrong there and make sure its not present the next time you trip.

Safe journeys.

 

[morphine-dreams]

Well... It was probably only 190 because I was freaking out, tripping, and confused in the ambulance and hospital. I could barely tell what was going on. I was convinced I was being transported to a death bed or something because the paramedics said that there was nothing they could give me. (I didn't even know my heart rate was 190 or what they meant; I thought I was going to die) I figured it out a few hours later, and then it was easier to calm down, knowing it was just anxiety. I didn't call the ambulance because my heart rate was 190; I called them because I felt really horrible and was convinced I was about to die. My heart rate was probably 130-150 before I had called them. Even when I go in for medical checks, my heart rate jumps up to 120 from anxiety and then at home, it's back down to 70-80. I think if I had just fought through it, I would've been fine, but my heart rate would've still probably fluctuated with constant palpitations which I'm not sure is dangerous or not.

Oh ok, I thought you meant it was at 190 for an extended period of time. 130-150 sounds a lot more like a panic attack. Still, if you have any concerns about your heart, you should see a specialist about it. Palpitations could be a symptom of anxiety or something more serious, only a doctor can tell you which. Are you 100% sure what you had was real LSD and not some RC? Some of them can really mess with your heart and cause arrhythmias and stuff. If you want to do psychedelics, I'd stick to something like mushrooms for now and keep benzos on hand.

 

[Bigbean194]

I always have benzos on hand when I trip. Quite often just the thought of having them around will help, I have said to myself in the past when tripping that if things don't improve in ten minutes I will take one and that thought has got me through. A lot of panic attacks can be averted by taking a few really long deep breaths and physically smiling to yourself, you sort of have to breath out the panic as it were.

If you are having heart palpitations and panic attacks every day I would definitely wait there is no rush. Would definitely recommend a mild trip first to test the waters. A mind is a terrible thing to break

Benzos are the best way to come out of a psy trip.

 

[Inditium]

Oh ok, I thought you meant it was at 190 for an extended period of time. 130-150 sounds a lot more like a panic attack. Still, if you have any concerns about your heart, you should see a specialist about it. Palpitations could be a symptom of anxiety or something more serious, only a doctor can tell you which. Are you 100% sure what you had was real LSD and not some RC? Some of them can mess with your heart and cause arrhythmias and stuff. If you want to do psychedelics, I'd stick to something like mushrooms for now and keep benzos on hand.

It was 190 for maybe an hour and a half or so. I remember not being able to breathe or see clearly; my lips were also very dry. I tried licking my lips, and they were still very dry, which was scary. After I had calmed down for a bit, my heart rate fluctuated between 130-160 for a few hours before being around 115-120 for the next 10 hours. Eventually, it was 100, and that's when the doctors let me go home. It's funny because I went home while I was still tripping. (5 tab trips can last up to 30 hours)

ECG, chest x-ray, and blood tests came back fine. I'm considering seeing a cardiologist for further tests, though. Drug test also came back clean (I'm assuming an RC would show up). The tabs were tasteless, and I got them from a reputable supplier. Plus, I know what RCs feel like, and it was not like that. Overall, it seems like it was just a really bad panic attack which has been bothering me to this day because I experience panic attacks even off of LSD now, thanks to flashbacks of that bad day.

I'm not sure if it would be a bad idea or not to take beta blockers while on LSD, but that's something I'm considering or any other drug that would help keep me calm without ruining the visual and euphoric effects of LSD.

 

[morphine-dreams]

A standard hospital drug test would come clean for both LSD and RCs, I believe. At least, they'd be very unlikely to come back positive. Most RC psychs will not show up on a hospital drug screen, if I had to guess. There are probably hundreds of different psychedelic RCs being synthesized now, it's really impossible to be familiar with all of them, I only really know what good, clean acid tastes like because I've done it probably 50+ times lol. Anyway, did you dose all 5 tabs at once? That would not result in a 30 hour trip if it were legitimate LSD, I've done just under 400ug and that trip lasted no longer than any other, it was just much more intense. Unless you meant that you kept redosing. Now, this is TOTAL speculation, but going by the duration and cardiovascular events, it sounds like it could be a DOx compound, which are known for being rough on the cardiovascular system in the event of overdose because they belong to the amphetamine class (and with these compounds, 5 tabs could easily be an overdose). Or it could be something else entirely. But if it lasted for 30 hours, it was not LSD. I think you should definitely see a specialist now to ensure that no lasting damage has occurred, likely not, but your panic attack may very well have been an OD.

If you still plan on trying acid, at least get yourself an Ehrlich reagent testing kit to rule out NBOxx compounds and a marquis reagent test to rule out amphetamines, it should work on DOx compounds, but do your own research too because it's your own body and not all of these chems are particularly well-studied. Better yet, order your own (safe) RCs so you can have a better idea of what you're getting. 5 tabs+30 hour trip+serious cardiovascular problems tells me you probably OD'd on some RC and didn't just have a panic attack. It sounds like you'll be ok but in the future, if you have even the slightest doubt, one tab only!

Now when you get some good LSD, which I think you'll do just fine with, a beer or a few is all you need it'll get you through the come-up, but wear off before/during the peak (as long as you time it right) and will not dull the trip nearly as much as a benzo would. This is my preferred method of coming up on high dose L, and I'm not even a fan of drinking. Best of luck!

 

[Kid_TriipE]

Relax, breath slowly, get comfy, empty your head of everything negative, and ride it out

 

[Inditium]

A standard hospital drug test would come clean for both LSD and RCs, I believe. At least, they'd be very unlikely to come back positive. Most RC psychs will not show up on a hospital drug screen, if I had to guess. There are probably hundreds of different psychedelic RCs being synthesized now, it's really impossible to be familiar with all of them, I only really know what good, clean acid tastes like because I've done it probably 50+ times lol. Anyway, did you dose all 5 tabs at once? That would not result in a 30 hour trip if it were legitimate LSD, I've done just under 400ug and that trip lasted no longer than any other, it was just much more intense. Unless you meant that you kept redosing. Now, this is TOTAL speculation, but going by the duration and cardiovascular events, it sounds like it could be a DOx compound, which are known for being rough on the cardiovascular system in the event of overdose because they belong to the amphetamine class (and with these compounds, 5 tabs could easily be an overdose). Or it could be something else entirely. But if it lasted for 30 hours, it was not LSD. I think you should definitely see a specialist now to ensure that no lasting damage has occurred, likely not, but your panic attack may very well have been an OD.

If you still plan on trying acid, at least get yourself an Ehrlich reagent testing kit to rule out NBOxx compounds and a marquis reagent test to rule out amphetamines, it should work on DOx compounds, but do your own research too because it's your own body and not all of these chems are particularly well-studied. Better yet, order your own (safe) RCs so you can have a better idea of what you're getting. 5 tabs+30 hour trip+serious cardiovascular problems tells me you probably OD'd on some RC and didn't just have a panic attack. It sounds like you'll be ok but in the future, if you have even the slightest doubt, one tab only!

Now when you get some good LSD, which I think you'll do just fine with, a beer or a few is all you need it'll get you through the come-up, but wear off before/during the peak (as long as you time it right) and will not dull the trip nearly as much as a benzo would. This is my preferred method of coming up on high dose L, and I'm not even a fan of drinking. Best of luck!

Thank you. I'll look into the test kits. Can RCs be tasteless (or almost tasteless)? Sometimes the blotters burn my tongue but that's about it. I may also experience a VERY slight taste, but it's likely the paper or ink itself. I took an NBOME once and the taste was very obvious.

 

[morphine-dreams]

Honestly, I'm not sure. It wouldn't surprise me if some were. Nbomes have a very strong bitter taste, spit those out if you ever get them. Like I said, I'm really only that familiar with the taste of LSD because I have the most experience with it, it's slightly metallic/electric if that even makes sense. They shouldn't burn your tongue or be corrosive in any way though. It's impossible to determine which RC you get sometimes, but it is possible to be fairly certain that your LSD is in fact LSD if you test it. Rule of thumb- never take more than 1 tab unless you're positive it's LSD. Many RCs are safe enough in a single dose, but are far, far easier to OD on than LSD. There are some good and fairly safe lysergamide RCs out there now too, like 1p-LSD, which was pretty popular on here for a while if it isn't still. But do your homework! Make sure you know everything there is to know about reagent testing and psychedelic RCs and harm reduction. Some of these compounds can kill you in the single digit mg range. But the aforementioned ones are easy to test for with the Ehrlich kit Some others may be more challenging to test, but are also generally safe as long as you stick to a single, properly measured out dose.

 

[nuube]

A standard hospital drug test would come clean for both LSD and RCs, I believe. At least, they'd be very unlikely to come back positive. Most RC psychs will not show up on a hospital drug screen

As far as I'm aware the only RC's that can be really found are some and only some of the synthetic cannabinoids. Routine drug screening probably wouldn't have included a LSD screen unless you specifically told them you took acid, and even then they might not have a test kit that covers it.

As with the NBOME's - they are sub-lingual and inactive orally I thought? The solution to that is to neck that tabs - the LSD will kick in the NBOME's wont, DOX is orally available so it wont rule them out.