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What do you consider the HARDEST drugs?

Rio Fantastic said:
You feel sorry for me? What for? Staying away from this often-proven addictive narcotic?
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no, because you're bumping false information. I suggest reading Erowid.org and going through the cannabis discussion forum as you seem to be horribly misinformed about the drug.
(either that or your joke was misinterpreted)

Also, not to sound rude but you stated that you had smoked cannabis before, so you havent "stayed away from it".......
 
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Meth, Crack, (stims in general)
Gases/Solvents (not nitrous)
Alcohol
poppers
Salvia
Smoking

Not hardest but just reminds me of nastiness.
 
I think it is pretty clear that Rio is kidding.
I was shocked that people took him/her seriously.

To me, the hardest drugs I have ever done are sugar and caffeine. No joke.
They produced the most subtle but gripping addictions.
It took me years to get off of sugar, and I have quit caffeine at least 5 times...
I am clean now, thanks to some health problems that were exacerbated by caffeine.
But, man oh man, these drugs made me feel like I wasn't addicted, when I was very addicted.
I would imagine something sugary and need to eat it.
I would stop working, lose my focus, and begin to dream of cake, cookies, cola, anything with high amounts of sugar. High caffeine was even better.
When I took the sugar and caffeine, I would feel normal.
When I didn't have them, I'd feel like shit.
But the addiction was sooooo subtle, and yet strong.

I have never tried the "hard" drugs - heroin, cocaine, meth, etc.
(You probably could have guessed that!)
I have lots of experience with psychedelics, from mushrooms and LSD to ayahuasca and salvia.
They removed me from consensus reality very strongly, but I never had to struggle with an invisible but powerful addiction to psychedelics.

Marijuana was very psychologically addicting, and I struggled with withdrawals each time I quit after heavy use.

It seems that it would be a bad idea for me to use the "hard" drugs, since things that other people don't even consider drugs are very strong for me.
 
Most of the people saying PCP have never tried it and are basing their opinion off the social stigma it carries and fails to live up to.

The hardest drugs? Inhalants. The only drug I can honestly say that doing even once would be a horrible mistake.

EDIT: I can't believe people didn't catch on to the sarcasm in Rio Fantastic's post.
 
8-12 said:
Most of the people saying PCP have never tried it and are basing their opinion off the social stigma it carries and fails to live up to.
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you shouldnt assume things. Although you're right to some extent, i wouldnt say "most of the people" as a lot of people on this site (and IRL) have in fact tried PCP.
 
I was more addressing the people who put PCP at or near the top of the list because "people go crazy on it", I was in no way inferring that there was nobody, anywhere that had ever tried PCP and thought it was a "hard" substance. I just don't think PCP should be in anyone's top three "hard" drugs (whatever that means, the thread is extremely subjective to begin with).

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cheah said:
PCP to me seems like the craziest for while you're on it tho, people just flip the fuck out
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Many people in this thread put PCP above drugs like cocaine, if they weren't basing this on the social stigma, what were they basing it on? What exactly is so "hard" about PCP?

Re reading the thread I guess there were less people parroting propaganda about the drug then I originally thought, but still, if someone were to take a poll, most of the people saying "PCP is one of the hardest drugs" would most likely be people that had never tried it for themselves. I just don't see where they would have gotten the idea from other than the media, as I've had nothing but good experiences with the drug.
 
Cosmic Charlie said:
Methamphetamine , Crack Cocaine and Heroin

They have the power in them to Destroy Lives

Gotz Ta be Smart
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I'd say this is right on.

Some people claim alcohol. In extreme alcholic cases, where somebody is drinking ALL day, every day...yes this would put it in the "hard" category. If you smoked crack/ice all day you'd go down a lot quicker though IMO. I haven't heard of many people smoking rock 5 nights a week for extended periods of time, and being able to live a functioning life. Where I know plenty of sucessfull people who drink 5 nights a week.

I guess I'm rambling but I'm just saying in the majority of the scenarios, booze can't be up there with the other major players.
 
KStoner6tb said:
I'd say this is right on.

Some people claim alcohol. In extreme alcholic cases, where somebody is drinking ALL day, every day...yes this would put it in the "hard" category. If you smoked crack/ice all day you'd go down a lot quicker though IMO. I haven't heard of many people smoking rock 5 nights a week for extended periods of time, and being able to live a functioning life. Where I know plenty of sucessfull people who drink 5 nights a week.

I guess I'm rambling but I'm just saying in the majority of the scenarios, booze can't be up there with the other major players.
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alcohol's legality has much to do with why it doesn't screw up the lives with many. If it were treated as these illegal "hard" drugs were, I bet it'd have the exact same impact and effect on people as do the illegal substances do. Plus, alcohol does destroy many lives and takes away many peoples functionality; it's just the government has a vested interest in publicizing the shortcomings of said street drugs to drum up support for its drug war. Focusing on the destructive power of alcohol would lead them nowhere, and would most likely make people realize how big a role legality plays in determining how destructive or dangerous a substance can be
 
to Kstoner6B:

yea but i know a few succesful coke heads (succesful business men in thier forties and thier wives) and that doesnt mean that coke isnt a hard drug it just means they have enough money to support their addiction and also are foccussed and hardworking enough *bump* (haha) to make enough money to support a daily cocaine habit
 
8-12 said:
I just don't see where they would have gotten the idea from other than the media, as I've had nothing but good experiences with the drug.
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You have to remember that mind set and setting have a lot to do with the outcome of a psychedelic experience. If you are not in the right setting or do not have the right mindset for a specific experience the outcome will not be good. The high (IME) from PCP is a very extreme high, and if you are not ready for it you can feel quite frightened and the outcome will not be a good one.

(just a little side post on the media)
This is where the horror stories come from. You never hear about good experiences as the media doesn't want to glorify something as taboo as drug usage, and with PCP, a drug that isn't that widespread, there isn't that many people going "well thats bullshit Ive had great experiences with it!" so all that is shown are the negatives. To make things worse they run with it creating propaganda!
 
evilthree said:
alcohol's legality has much to do with why it doesn't screw up the lives with many. If it were treated as these illegal "hard" drugs were, I bet it'd have the exact same impact and effect on people as do the illegal substances do. Plus, alcohol does destroy many lives and takes away many peoples functionality; it's just the government has a vested interest in publicizing the shortcomings of said street drugs to drum up support for its drug war. Focusing on the destructive power of alcohol would lead them nowhere, and would most likely make people realize how big a role legality plays in determining how destructive or dangerous a substance can be
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EXcluding any legallity issues, I'm talking pure mind/body ravaging affects. I guess the ultimate definition of "hard" to me is a substance that just ravages your brain.
 
Z Y G G Y said:
When I was drug naive I thought all drugs are bad. There wasn't a distinction b/w hard and soft. I saw weed as a drug junkies do.

Below are 3 categories of drug groups - 1. soft 2. soft on body/otherwise hard 4. hard
(also another category 4. hard on body/soft in addiction)

1. Weed IMO is the only drug I would today categorize as SOFT. It doesn't take a great toll on the body and people who do it don't show abusive behaviors. There also isn't much stigma attached to it's use. It's more like tons of humor is attached to its use.

2. Heroin I see as having a hard and soft side. It's soft on the body. Withdrawals aren't fatal or life threatening in 99.9% of the users. It causes no damage physically to the body. It's hard cuz it's very addictive, people who use it often show addictive behaviors. There is also tons of stigma attached to its use.

3. I see benzos as hard drugs cuz they are bad for you long term and in a way doctors prescribe them. The withdrawals can be life threatening. They are very addictive even after relatively short term use.

3. Crack/Coke/Meth - nothing good I can say about these. Hard drugs IMO.
3. Inhalants - hard
3. Tobacco, alcohol - althought addictive behaviors aren't as intense as with heroin, crack and other addictive substances
4. hallucinogens like PCP, LSD, shrooms, MDMA, RC's - most are not addictive but can be neurotoxic, some are better than others, these can cause long term brain damage in a way that heroin, morphine (other opiates), weed never will.
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So what in which numeral bracket would you place your personal usage? ^^ haha .... i can't believe drugs attract such nerds sometimes!
Keep yourself alive and get high , but don't dwell on these sort of questions , it just aint healthy
 
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