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🤝 Cultural 🤝 what could replace alcohol?

Nothing can replace alcohol. The reason alcohol has been with us for thousands of years is because of three primary reasons:

1) It's generally made from things that would have gone to waste otherwise
2) It's easy to make it
3) People like to drink and be merry

You can't get rid of alcohol for the same reasons why they couldn't get rid of it when they actively tried during prohibition in America. That reason is simple: If I convert my corn into liquor it becomes more valuable, is easier to transport and takes up much less space than the corn did (easier to ship). Oh and the fact that it keeps forever unlike the corn or whatever else we originally made it from.

You can't replace it with cannabis because it doesn't have the same effects and you can't make cannabis from scraps. Why dedicate a field to growing weed when you can dedicate it to growing corn? With the latter you get food and the ability to make fun juice.

Now if we lived in a world where glassware was cheap and easy to get. Where you didn't get your door kicked in for playing with it. Then maybe we could replace alcohol with something else. But even then it'd be hard because most fun stuff requires sourcing materials that are hard to come by.

Something like GHB could be a good replacement. Except the whole easy to overdose aspect. The fact that it tastes like shit. The fact that you can't casually sip on it over the course of a party. The fact that it's much harder to source than some half rotten fruit or corn that doesn't look pretty enough to send to market as food. The fact that it requires much more knowledge and expertise to make.

Alcohol is never going away. There are many good reasons why it has always been so popular. Where I live it's the base ingredient required to produce about 95% of all homegrown medicine. Not to mention its use in keeping other things self stable or treating wounds.
 
Esperighanto said:
As far as toxicity goes, benzos are objectively far safer. The question is how many people could form a healthy relationship to it, given that alcohol is more self-limiting, I would imagine.
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yeah, considering even weak alcohol like beer is already doing enough damage, they'd have to find a completely new form of administrating benzos, something very diluted or long/slow acting
 
HeadphonesandLSD said:
Nothing can replace alcohol. The reason alcohol has been with us for thousands of years is because of three primary reasons:

1) It's generally made from things that would have gone to waste otherwise
2) It's easy to make it
3) People like to drink and be merry

You can't get rid of alcohol for the same reasons why they couldn't get rid of it when they actively tried during prohibition in America. That reason is simple: If I convert my corn into liquor it becomes more valuable, is easier to transport and takes up much less space than the corn did (easier to ship). Oh and the fact that it keeps forever unlike the corn or whatever else we originally made it from.

You can't replace it with cannabis because it doesn't have the same effects and you can't make cannabis from scraps. Why dedicate a field to growing weed when you can dedicate it to growing corn? With the latter you get food and the ability to make fun juice.

Now if we lived in a world where glassware was cheap and easy to get. Where you didn't get your door kicked in for playing with it. Then maybe we could replace alcohol with something else. But even then it'd be hard because most fun stuff requires sourcing materials that are hard to come by.

Something like GHB could be a good replacement. Except the whole easy to overdose aspect. The fact that it tastes like shit. The fact that you can't casually sip on it over the course of a party. The fact that it's much harder to source than some half rotten fruit or corn that doesn't look pretty enough to send to market as food. The fact that it requires much more knowledge and expertise to make.

Alcohol is never going away. There are many good reasons why it has always been so popular. Where I live it's the base ingredient required to produce about 95% of all homegrown medicine. Not to mention its use in keeping other things self stable or treating wounds.
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oh yeah no absolutely, alcohols i never leaving us, just fun to think what could come closest under ideal circumstances (wide access and distribution)
 
Featherfall said:
oh yeah no absolutely, alcohols i never leaving us, just fun to think what could come closest under ideal circumstances (wide access and distribution)
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Anything that mimics the effects of alcohol will be damaging to the user in the long term if they consume the substance too often. That's just how it is with anything related to the GABA system. Benzos are claimed to be safer because they're harder to overdose on. But they are just as unsafe with chronic administration. At least with the alcohol it's harder to consume that much chronically because your body will straight reject it. Like mine rejects rum after a bout of alcohol poisoning (I can't catch a whiff of rum now without throwing up).

Alcohol is said to be a "dirty" drug because it has such wide reaching effects on different parts of the brain. But outside of daily/chronic use by alcoholics and people hurting themselves by over consuming it has a good safety track record. For every full blown alcoholic or story of someone falling over and cracking their skull open there are thousands of people that are out there enjoying a few glasses of wine everyday with no ill effects.

Anyone that get addicted to the point where they become an alcoholic would have gotten addicted to any other substance that mimics its effects and would most likely suffer just as badly in day-to-day life.

If you need a good example of why this won't work look at opioids. Many junkies have been produced over the years in the quest for a drug that is "morphine without the bad parts". Heroin was originally supposed to be non-addictive morphine. Then later on came things like methadone and oxycodone. Now they claim bupe is the wonder drug. But anyone that's used it knows that's a bald face lie. In 20 years they'll say bupe was a mistake and they'll bring out the next "safe" opioid replacement. As soon as the patents on bupe expire.

I'm a full blown opioid junkie, chronic tobacco smoker and have drank my share of alcohol over the years. My parents are full blown alcoholics. I've never had an issue with alcohol because I dislike the taste. But I'm also able to consume cocaine without wanting more. People are just wired different. The only reason alcohol has the stigma is does is because it's socially acceptable to an extent and more widely available.
 
spypilot said:
I see phenibut taking alcohols spot
and if not phenibut then maybe dextromethorphan
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REALLY? Can one take a small dose that produces a small effect or are these more of an 'all-or-nothing' type of thing.

Phenibut IS a bioisostere of GABA with all the attendant side-effects.
DXM is incredibly promuscuous.

Both ARE dependence-forming.

The supercats have NO a1 affinity and that's the action of ethanol that most would consider the 'bad' effects i.e. amnesia, ataxia, loss of executive control, emotional lability.
 
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