what caused this to happen/meth od and psychosis

rottenapple

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This past week I went on a meth binge with my brother and a couple of friends. As far as I know, everyone got some sleep here and there, aside from my brother. He was up for about 6 days straight, which isn't the longest he's ever been up, as he used to abuse the hell out of some speed. This particular kind of speed he called "country dope" , its like bathtub crank I guess, made by shaking a bottle full of chemicals. I'm from the south so its really the only kind of meth one could acquire here. Don't know exactly how its made, but it uses lithium strips, liquid fire, a certain kind of fertilizer, and a few other various chemicals. The reason I mention this is because I'm curious if any of these chemicals might have had something to do with the outcome of his binge.

Anyway, most of this binge was pretty typical for meth. He experienced hallucinations, anxiety, paranoia, extreme giggles <snip> and kept thinking he saw rigs everywhere (we were shooting). On the last night of our binge, my brother, my best friend, and I were sitting on my porch late at night talking. We had done extreme amounts of meth. My best friend and I were pretty normal considering, while my brother seemed very anxious and suspicious. He was swaying his body from side to side and kept talking about how he had to leave. Since I had to drive him around earlier because he said he wasn't able to drive there was no way I was gonna let him leave at that point, its much harder to drive at night and he was in a much worse state than he was that morning. We spent about 3 hours trying to convince him to come in the house. My brother is a pretty big guy, and a convicted felon, but seemed suspicious that my friend and I were plotting on him and were going to somehow trap him in the house. Her and I are both pretty small, neither one us could weigh more than 125 lbs soaking wet. Thus the idea of us trapping him was ridiculous. Finally we con convince him to come in the house, and we went to the back bedroom since my boyfriend was asleep and had to work the following morning. He continued to sway his body, holding his phone and talking craziness about how he had to leave and catch a train. I was beginning to get really irritated with him, be was acting like a child and I had spent the high off my last hit arguing with him about his obvious inability to drive. I forced him to eat a few Xanax and left him and my friend in the bedroom. I laid in the living room, fell asleep for a couple hours, and whn I woke up my friend was still awake but my brother had passed out on the bed. I noticed a stain on the back of his pants. My friend had to get ready for work, so when she left I tried to wake him. He opened his eyes and stared at me for a minute, then put hus head back down and said "no!" In a childish voice. I also noticed he had his tongue stuckbout and was making a sucking motion. I covered him up with a blanket so no minette would see the stain and went to the bathroom to talk to my friend. A couple of minutes later my brother walked in with a disoriented look on his face and asked "Where am I?" I told him we were at my house and asked him if he remembered me. He nodded but didn't seem like he really knew. My friend asks him the same question, he replied with her name. I discreetly let him know he might wanna tie a shower and clean himself, he was pretty coherent at this point and I got him a towel and washcloth and a change of clothes. He didn't have any clean underwear so I found him a pair of shorts to go under a pair oftrackpants. He got confused and said "underpants?" He didn't know which pair was suppose to be worn underneath. I figured at this point he was experiencing a psychosis, so I explained it to him and he said he didn't know who he was and then said he didn't know who I was, and started to cry. I calmed him down and got him to shower.

When he got out, he would walk around and point at things and name them. "Phone." "Chair." A clean rig was laying on the bathroom counter: "Syringe." It was like he was a child. He would randomly start crying and asking questions such as " where are we?" , "how do we get here?" , "what do we do now?" , "what do people do?" Etc. I showed him some pictures on his phone of people he knew, and pointed to them and correctly identified them with one word answers. At one point he pointed to the sky and asked "what's that?". He also asked if we came in a spaceship. I did my best to explain he did too many drugs and needed sleep and he said, "No. Sleep bad. Bad dreams."

His best friend called and said he got a couple weird voice mails from my bro and asked to speak to him. My brother told him he was scared and confused and didn't know who he was. after a few minutes he calmed down a bit and his buddy convinced him to eat some food and sleep some more and hed be fine. Not long after getting off the phone with his friend, he slowly came out of it and started remembering the recent events little by little until he was completely normal again. He also remembered the whole psychosis part. He told me he had shit his pants earlier, hence the stain on his pants. This made me think he had maybe done too much speed and had overdosed.

I've never seen anyone go through this. I've known people to do a whole lot of speed and sty up too long and wig out, or do too much in a single dose and fall asleep, and once my friend actually died after doing a big shot. Obviously she was resuscitated, but lost her vision for a few hours afterwards. During the overdose she urinates on herself, so I associated the loss of control over bodily functions with doing too much drugs. Sometimes my boyfriend has these "freak outs" and wakes from a dead sleep, running and screaming and crying out, but its easy to talk him down and never lasts more than 15 minutes, and sometimes happens when he hasn't done any sort of mind altering substance at all. This whole fiasco with my brother lasted mug longer, probably around an hour and a half to 2 hours and there was no talking him out of it.

I've tried to research this but really don't know what to even look up. He seemed like his mind had reverted back to the mind of a 3 year old. Does anyone know why this might have happened? Was it an overdose or a psychosis? Has anyone else ever seen anything similar? Does the way the drug was manufactured play a role in the reaction? I have been told the lithium strips can cause a bad sketchy feeling if too many are used, or can cause lithium poisoning. Anyway, any responses would be appreciated.

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Hi rottenapple, it's difficult to say exactly why this happened to your brother. My guess would be that he took too much speed over the course of the binge and it was just too much for his brain to handle. Plain and simple. It may have had something to do with the nasty chemicals used to make it, who knows. But does it really matter?? All you need to know is that he abused the hell out of a substance and had a really nasty reaction. I would strongly recommend that your brother takes a good long break from any stimulants so that his brain can recover properly. We only get one brain in our lifetime, don't break it!! Do you think he would be willing to take a few months' break from drugs??

It sounds like you and your friends all do a fuckload of drugs during a binge. Whilst I know it's all good fun, it sounds like you might be pushing the boundaries a bit too much during your binge sessions. You mentioned that one of your friends actually overdosed but was rescusitated...would things be different for you guys if she had actually died that day?

I'm not criticising your activities and the way you choose to live your lives, you are free to do whatever you want of course :) But life is precious, like I said earlier, we only get one body and one brain, w've gotta look after them the best we can! Perhaps it's just something to think about, is all <3
 
After that whole incident, we all decided to quit all the drugs, aside from my Xanax (prescribed) and somas (every now and then), I'm on the wagon. Apparently we can't maintain.

The reason I asked these questions is because of my own personal curiosity. The human mind and psyche are very fascinating to me. I just have no idea how to even start researching something like this. I've heard of certain medical conditions that can cause your mind to resort to basic human instincts. I wonder if this is similar.


And what I mean by reverting back to a 3 year old, he didn't know things that a normal 35 year old man would know, he asked questions like, "What do we do now?" , "What do people do?; he would point at certain things and name them, such as "Phone." , "Syringe." "Chair."...etc. And when I woke him up, he was sticking his tongue out and making a sucking moron. He pointed to the sky and said, "What's that?" And also said things like, "No sleep. Sleep bad.". Like a child...
 
That's crazy. Sounds like near ego destruction..in a bad way. A psychotic version mind you.

What are you guys going to do now that you all decided to quit fucking around?
 
That's really good that you've decided to stop using speed. Binges on speed can be really dangerous and psychosis is not uncommon, especially with a lack of sleep. 6 days is still a really long time to be awake. It could have also been the xanax having some effect on him after he woke up,which I imagine could be a possible contribution to his confusion. How has your brother been acting since that binge? Do you notice any behavioral differences?
 
rottenapple that is quite relieving to hear you guys have decided to call it quits on the drug binges!! Good for you guys <3

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The reason I asked these questions is because of my own personal curiosity. The human mind and psyche are very fascinating to me. I just have no idea how to even start researching something like this.
Good point, and yes it is quite intriguing. If you wanted to research it my suggestion would be to google "stimulant psychosis" and even things like "sleep deprivation" and "ego-death", just to get an overview of these things. It might be difficult to get specific case study examples of people who have suffered the same thing as your brother because I would imagine it won't be well-documented. But see what you can come up with. Yes there are lots of conditions of the mind that can cause one to temporarily revert back to a child-like state, but I'm not sure about actual medical conditions.

I'd also be interested to know how your brother is recovering.
 
He seems to be pretty normal now, aside from feeling depressed and bad about himself for all the things he did during the binge (almost lost his job, spent all his money, etc.) . Its been years since my brother had even done any speed so I guess he feels like he took a couple of giant steps back.

And I suppose what we will all do is live life like normal people do. We all have kids, a job, families... focus on what's important. We all let it slide away for a week, time for us to get back on track!
 
And I suppose what we will all do is live life like normal people do. We all have kids, a job, families... focus on what's important. We all let it slide away for a week, time for us to get back on track!
Sounds like a good plan hun :) <3
I suspect your brother will feel a bit depressed and possibly regretful for a little while, but over time it will fade. I wish him, and you, all the best :)
 
I know the regressing back to a younger age mentally occurs sometimes with severe head injuries,
Happened to me after a bike wreck, I woke up in the hospital 30 days later and for the next month or so my priorities became those of a 13 year old. Perhaps I would have even stayed in that condition, had a terrible anger not started deep in my conscience. Afterward, my friends told me I sounded like a teenager to them when they spoke with me for that month.
 
^Ha. Same. I was in a really bad bike wreck back in October. I almost needed brain surgery, which probably wouldn't have even saved me, but somehow I fully recovered. I'm still dealing with my anger, but that is slowly getting better. My cognition has come back full force, like the wreck never even happened. If I touch amps now though, I get psychosis a lot faster than before the accident. I actually get A LOT higher on all drugs in general now. My hearing also greatly increased since. A weird, and (for me at least) enjoyable "side-effect".
 
He seems to be pretty normal now, aside from feeling depressed and bad about himself for all the things he did during the binge (almost lost his job, spent all his money, etc.) !

My good mate who I asked to introduce me to ice (methamphetamine) - which he did "reluctantly" (he's an addict) and only after some major lectures - who subsequently became my regular drug buddy, seems to be suffering increasingly regularly from negative reactions pretty much immediately. His reaction has always been more variable than mine and his girlfriend's (who later became the third of our regular group) but recently he has had increasingly frequent negative reactions. Sometimes he would just be quiet and pensive, other times quite accusing (especially to his GF) and quite mean. Often paranoid and now quite dopey.
Once it took me 2.5 hours to get him to give me my syringe because he wanted to mix it (he used to inject me).
His GF and I could simply not understand how ice could affect him this way but it did as he and I (stupidly) increased dosage almost because we were pushing each other.
 
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Anyway, the effect on him was so beyond our experience, we were becoming quite frustrated. At one point, he thought we were planning to kill him, that we were having an affair, and that I was trying to split them up but couldn't make up his mind whether it was because it was him or her I wanted for myself.
They split up several times over his behavior. One weekend a few months, I was using alone and just kept going
I am highly intelligent and have a professional career but sat at my computer for days getting frustrated that I could not move the mouse.
 
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Then one weekend a few months ago, I used alone and just didn't stop....But what I remember so clearly was sitting at my computer (basically for three days) and regularly getting frustrated because the mouse was "broken"...ie I couldn't get it to move. I remember the first time I looked at my hand and realised I wasn't pushing it. The exact same thing happened repeatedly, at least 7 or 8 times., and every time I had to remind myself to look at my hand to check if I was moving it.
I am a Mensa nominee and have a high paying career but was conscious that I was essentially thinking like a retarded child. I coped by forcing myself to think sequentially but every time I actually had to follow my step by step process.
I think, when you use ice for a sustained period of time ( at high dosages) and then use even more in a set time period than usual, the drug - combined with accumulated loss of of sleep, your brain shuts down, almost similar to a natural coma.
I warned my mate's GF but the fact is it doesn't make it any less frustrating. It hasn't happened to me since because I heeded the warning but I suspect it is a precursor to meth psychosis. I have been using for nearly a year now and was always fortunate
 
...to not suffer difficult comedowns. Now, I regularly suffer depressive episodes when coming down ( started a few weeks ago),
Last week, I experienced the itchy skin for the first time, and am also thinking of ice consistently during the week.
I suspect your brother, as a previous long term user may be getting a similar reaction.
I hope he is smarter than me (and my mate) and heeds warning. I mean, I have now refused to use with my mate but have tried unsuccessfully to stop myself, although I have at least had a couple of weeks off recently...for the first time in 5 or so months, possibly longer.
Slow progress but progress nonetheless.
 
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