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Misc What are you supposed to feel from nicotine and are some people just resistant to it?

crazycatman

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Over the years I've tried nicotine a few times. Smoking and that thing you put under your gums that they sell in Sweeden (sorry, don't know the English word). Never felt anything at all. Friends tried the same stuff and said they got a slight buzz. Did I do something wrong or is it just subtle in it's effect? Or do I just have a high resistance to it?
 
Thanks bro, have no intention of trying them any more, was just wondering what the fuss was about.
 
That stuff you put under your lips is called 'snuss'. I use it and it is far healthier than smoking tobacco. It doesn't cause mouth cancer and isn't very bad for vascular system (like tobacco). In sweden there is less mouth cancer than any other EU country despite they use the most snuss. They had to even remove the warning label "snuss is dangerous to your health" (or similar) from snuss boxes and put there only "it can be harmfull to your health" because of lack of evidence.

Nicotine might cause some "reverse tolerance" by increasing dopaminergic function over time.
 
when i first smoked a cig i got lightheaded and that lasted for a few years because i only smoked on rare occasions but as soon as i started smoking everyday it went away very fast
 
Addiction.

Becomes more enjoyable once your addicted. Think yourself lucky for not likening it. Just stay away from them, extremely hard habit to kick.

Kind of the opposite for nicotine. The more you smoke, the greater your tolerance. After a while you won't get the enjoyable "nicotine rush" from your first cigarette.
 
Actually, smokeless tobacco can be moderately safe to moderately carcinogenic, depending on the way it's processed. In Sweden, they pick it fresh and process it in a way that minimizes the production of carcinogenic tobacco-specific nitrosamines. The US stuff, for instance, has much higher levels of TSNAs.

As for the effects, they vary. Some find nicotine to be a stimulant, others (particularly people with schizophrenia and bipolar) find it to be more of a sedative. I have BP, and a half cigarette would knock me on my ass when I first started smoking. A few years down the line, it has virtually no effects at this point, aside from satisfying the craving.
 
^ nice post man!!

i am a daily smoker, and cigarettes make give me some energy and peace of mind after smoking. smoking is a "grounding" experience, the act brings me down to earth and chills me out some.
 
American Indians claim tobacco is a visionary herb. I have to agree.

If you put a patch on at night you will dream extremely psychedelic dreams all night long. Don't do this if you're not a smoker, just smoke a single cigarette late at night and whatever you do, don't go out and buy a pack to try one cigarette at night. Just borrow one from a friend otherwise the temptation might be to great to resist the next day. Do only one per day and you'll be smoking two packs a day in two weeks. Promise.

That said:

The occasional use of tobacco (a single roll your own preferably) for those that don't use it daily will intensify dreams and allow you to use that inner insight more effectively.

Quitting tobacco is slightly harder than heroin though so people have to be very careful to not do it more than once in a blue moon.

I've smoked regularly for years but now I just smoke the occasional cigarette bummed from someone I don't know at all. Yes, that's a rule I have, I only smoke cigarettes bummed from perfect strangers. I can't get them from someone I know unless I only see them now and then. Which is a little messed up since if you're that person and I don't want a cigarette, I might not answer your call... which I think is wrong so I deal with it by explaining that I only smoke tobacco when it's given freely by a kind hearted stranger that understands the whole "I'm quitting and not buying them" thing. Many people have no problem with this and I assure them that when I do buy them, I'm free and generous with them as well.
 
Quitting tobacco is slightly harder than heroin though so people have to be very careful to not do it more than once in a blue moon.

where'd you hear this? truth.org? The Foundation for a Smokefree America? this is a rather bold statement, and although I'm sure it can prove more difficult due to environmental factors, I think it would be impossible to prove this. too many variables. what are they going to do, give 100 people heroin every day for 5 years and 100 people tobacco for 5 years then see who has an easier time quitting?

plus when someone is doing heroin very often their life spirals out of control as a result, this rarely happens in the short term for smokers. most people have an easier time quitting heroin because if they don't they will either go to jail, prison, or the morgue. with tobacco people tend to experience serious health issues after many years of smoking. so finding someone who has been doing heroin for as long as a smoker has been smoking is very difficult. and smokers are subjected to tobacco everywhere they go, in gas stations, on the streets, in tv shows and movies. if a heroin addict manages to stay away from old friends and avoid the neighborhood he used to cop in it is much easier for him to keep heroin off his mind. this is why I think it would be impossible to prove this statement.
 
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Actually, smokeless tobacco can be moderately safe to moderately carcinogenic, depending on the way it's processed. In Sweden, they pick it fresh and process it in a way that minimizes the production of carcinogenic tobacco-specific nitrosamines. The US stuff, for instance, has much higher levels of TSNAs.

Yep, thats right. Studies that have implicated it is dangerous are excatly done with US snus or Indian snus. Swedish snus is safe and there are large epidemiological studies done with snus users and they didn't find any correlation with cancer and snus use. Moderately safe or maybe even safer as it hasn't been shown to cause cardiovascular problems either. I enjoy it. Better in many ways than cigs because you can enjoy it when sitting on movie theatre or even church ;) And it gives its effects more gradually over half hour compared to cigarette which hits you immediately. Snus gives larger plasma levels of nicotine but it raises more gradually as long as kept under lips (it can release nicotine maybe even hour).

Extra strong portion snus is awesome. It stimulates you but loosens muscle tension.

the ghost said:
As for the effects, they vary. Some find nicotine to be a stimulant, others (particularly people with schizophrenia and bipolar) find it to be more of a sedative. I have BP, and a half cigarette would knock me on my ass when I first started smoking. A few years down the line, it has virtually no effects at this point, aside from satisfying the craving.

I think effects are in relation with plasma levels. Low doses stimulate, high doses relax.
 
where'd you hear this? truth.org? The Foundation for a Smokefree America? this is a rather bold statement, and although I'm sure it can prove more difficult due to environmental factors, I think it would be impossible to prove this. too many variables. what are they going to do, give 100 people heroin every day for 5 years and 100 people tobacco for 5 years then see who has an easier time quitting?

plus when someone is doing heroin very often their life spirals out of control as a result, this rarely happens in the short term for smokers. most people have an easier time quitting heroin because if they don't they will either go to jail, prison, or the morgue. with tobacco people tend to experience serious health issues after many years of smoking. so finding someone who has been doing heroin for as long as a smoker has been smoking is very difficult. and smokers are subjected to tobacco everywhere they go, in gas stations, on the streets, in tv shows and movies. if a heroin addict manages to stay away from old friends and avoid the neighborhood he used to cop in it is much easier for him to keep heroin off his mind. this is why I think it would be impossible to prove this statement.

Nice post.
 
Nicotine is still a very toxic substance...LD-50 is 2mg/kg body mass.....
 
I've smoked plenty of cigarrettes/hookah/cigars, never felt the urge to buy any for myself.

I see the mild buzz/relaxation as not being worth the money or risk /unavoidable health damage.
 
i bet 90% of people addicted to nicotine started when they were 15/16 or even younger. its such a shit buzz for what it does to your health, smell, money etc etc that if you are an adult you can see that. but when your a kid its a nice little buzz, you dont care for the future and think you can quit anytime, plus its "cool" right?

if you started smoking after the age of say 21, you sir are an idiot.

oh and i think what it means when they say its more addictive than heroin is the fact that all people who are addicted to nicotine are killing themselves and burning alot of money over something that doesnt even get them high, it never really did, they dont enjoy smoking, they hate it, yet for some reason they just keep puffing away to purely cure the craving of a ciggerette. nicotine is the most bizzare drug there is addiction wise. the goverment get us hooked when were young so they have 100s of thousands of lifetimes of a constant cash flow.
 
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That stuff you put under your lips is called 'snuss'. I use it and it is far healthier than smoking tobacco. It doesn't cause mouth cancer and isn't very bad for vascular system (like tobacco).

A case of carcinoma occurring from snus use. Snus isn't harmless. It may be far less harmful than other tobacco products, but it isn't perfect. See following case report:

"Oral cancer after using Swedish snus (smokeless tobacco) for 70 years - a case report.

CASE REPORTS
Oral Diseases. 10(1):50-53, January 2004.
Zatterstrom, UK 1; Svensson, M 1; Sand, L 2; Nordgren, H 3; Hirsch, JM 2

Abstract:
Whereas the smoking habit has declined significantly in Sweden in recent decades, there has been a marked increase in the consumption of 'snus' (oral moist snuff). The use of this smokeless tobacco, exposing the user locally to carcinogenic nitrosamines, raises the question - will the increasing use of snuff eventually lead to a greater incidence of oral cancer? We report the case of a 90-year-old man who developed a localized squamous cell carcinoma in the gingival fold under the upper lip, at the exact place where he had regularly placed loose oral snuff for 70 years. Although this is a reminder of a prevailing cancer risk, the time frame indicates that the risk is slight. This is consistent with recent epidemiological reports regarding the minor risk of snuff-associated cancer in the Scandinavian countries.

(C) 2004 Munksgaard International Publishers Ltd."

I am not arguing the fact that you say the snus is 'healthier' than smoking tobacco, but to say that it flat out DOES NOT cause mouth cancer isn't true.
One should also rotate pockets (the spot in your mouth where you place the snus) to avoid inflammation and risk of carcinomas.
Also, 70 years ago when this man started using this product, I'm sure snus was made differently and older ways of manufacture could have been the reason for his -oma, but nobody knows for sure.



In sweden there is less mouth cancer than any other EU country despite they use the most snuss...They had to even remove the warning label "snuss is dangerous to your health" (or similar) from snuss boxes and put there only "it can be harmfull to your health" because of lack of evidence.

"Snus: Less Harmful, But Not Safe.

Cigarettes are the world's most efficient nicotine delivery device. They are also the most deadly. Many of the most dangerous byproducts of cigarettes are created during the burning process.
Smokeless tobacco products obviously don't burn. But smokeless tobacco is a major cause of oral cancer, pancreatic cancer, and esophageal cancer.
Much of this risk comes from cancer-causing chemicals called nitrosamines and polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAH). And snuff products actually deliver more cancer-causing nitrosamines than cigarettes do.
But nitrosamine content is far lower in snus than in snuff, says Stephen S. Hecht, PhD, professor of cancer prevention at the University of Minnesota.
"Snus are made with a special process to help control nitrosamine levels," Hecht tells WebMD.
There's a catch, of course. Carcinogen levels in snus may be lower -- but they are not low.
"Nitrosamine levels in snus are still 100 times greater than levels of nitrosamines in foods like nitrite-preserved meats," Hecht says. "This is not a harmless product."
And there's evidence that these nitrosamines -- or something else in snus -- are causing cancer. In Sweden and Norway, where snus originated, snus users have a significantly higher risk of pancreatic cancer.
Snus are also linked to mouth sores, dental cavities, heart attack, stroke, and diabetes risk. And they do deliver nicotine -- an addictive drug."


"Snus: Harm Reduction or Multiplication?

OK, so snus isn't without harm. But if it's so much safer than cigarettes, wouldn't it be good for smokers to switch to snus?
In Scandinavia, there's some evidence that snus contributed to a decline in smoking. Whether that happens in the U.S. depends on young people, says Michael Eriksen, ScD, director of the Institute of Public Health at Georgia State University and former director of the CDC Office on Smoking and Health.
"If we see that existing smokers are the primary users of snus and go from smoking to snus, that would be a public health success story," Eriksen tells WebMD. "But if kids start out on snus and then grow into smoking, that is going to be a disaster."

t's a huge public health experiment -- and the results already are plain to see, says Terry Pechacek, PhD, associate director for science at the CDC's Office on Smoking and Health.
Pechacek notes that more than a fourth of white, male high school students report having used smokeless tobacco products in the last month. Overall, nearly 7% of all U.S. high school students already use smokeless tobacco.
And they are not using snus inststead of cigarettes.
"The overwhelming pattern is to smoke cigarettes along with smokeless tobacco -- and two-thirds of this is among young adults," Pechacek tells WebMD. "Over half of teens using smokeless tobacco are also using cigarettes. … It is of great public health concern."
This isn't an accident, says Michael Steinberg, MD, MPH, director of the tobacco dependence program at the University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey.
Steinberg notes that in 2006, major U.S. cigarette companies bought the major smokeless tobacco brands. And the two major brands of snus? They're from leading cigarette makers Altria/Philip Morris (Marlboro Snus) and RJ Reynolds (Camel Snus).
"Snus is being co-marketed with cigarettes," Steinberg tells WebMD. "The companies are not shy in saying, 'When you can't smoke, use snus.' But when you can smoke, it is clear they want you to smoke cigarettes. They make more money from cigarettes sales than anything else on the planet."
Steinberg also notes that U.S. snus deliver less nicotine than do cigarettes."




"Snus: An Aid to Quitting Cigarettes?

Data from Sweden show that snus users don't always progress to cigarette use, and that it's possible to use snus to reduce dependence on cigarettes.
One Swedish study, for example, found that there were more ex-smokers using snus that there were ex-snus users using cigarettes.
However, Steinberg notes that this study fails to account for significant anti-smoking efforts taking place in Sweden at the same time, such as indoor health programs and government assistance to smoking cessation programs.
"Other countries, such as Norway, have not seen the same outcomes in terms of health benefits of snus as in Sweden," he says.
Steinberg points to studies showing that snus isn't any more helpful than nicotine replacement products such as nicotine gum and nicotine nasal spray.
"The real question is who do you buy your nicotine from?" GSU's Erickson says. "Do you buy it from a tobacco company that can put anything on the market with no testing … or do you buy it from pharmaceutical companies that have to demonstrate the safety and effectiveness of their products as a drug and demonstrate they actually work?"


"Snus and Nicotine Addiction

It's right there in a big black box on the home page of the Camel Snus web site: "WARNING: Smokeless tobacco is addictive."
Snus users get hooked on nicotine. This means that if users try to quit, they will go through the unpleasant sick feeling known as withdrawal. Many will find it very difficult, if not impossible, to stop using nicotine in one form or another.
"Those who sell nicotine would like to keep people hooked on nicotine forever. That is a question, whether lifetime nicotine addiction is acceptable," Erikson says. "There are 50 million people in the U.S. who are regular nicotine users. The sooner we can get them from relying on smoked nicotine to not-smoked nicotine the better. The sooner we can get them all off nicotine entirely, the better."
All of the experts who spoke with WebMD agree: Snus clearly aren't as deadly as cigarettes, but they pose a significant risk to your health.
"The bottom line is there is no safe form of tobacco use," Pechacek says.

source: webmd


Just trying to say that snus isn't innocent.
 
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Addiction.

Becomes more enjoyable once your addicted. Think yourself lucky for not likening it. Just stay away from them, extremely hard habit to kick.

I never got a great effect from it either. Brewster's quote is very much the case with heroin. In my experience at least - that's why I don't even entertain the novelty of nicotine-based anything. Too many monkeys and your life becomes a zoo.
 
I started when I was 15. I loved the smell and taste of the tobacco more than anything, and how the smoke would hit the back of the throat :) I never got anything noticeable from nicotine, except a terribly annoying an regretful 25 year addiction, which I've now thankfully beaten! It's a total waste of time, good health and money.
 
Quitting tobacco is slightly harder than heroin though so people have to be very careful to not do it more than once in a blue moon.

where'd you hear this? truth.org? The Foundation for a Smokefree America? this is a rather bold statement, and although I'm sure it can prove more difficult due to environmental factors, I think it would be impossible to prove this. too many variables. what are they going to do, give 100 people heroin every day for 5 years and 100 people tobacco for 5 years then see who has an easier time quitting?

Smoking is extremely difficult to quit for a large number of people, and it's definitely worth NOT getting addicted to, but I have to agree that's it's vague and misleading to say it's "harder to quit than heroin".

I suppose if one's definition of "harder" is simply that one is less likely to quit, then perhaps it could be true that smoking is "harder" to quit than heroin, although, like down508, I don't see how that could even be proven/studied properly as there are so many variables. (FWIW I don't know of any 30 yr heroin addicts who quit, but I do know some 30 yr smokers who quit).

You hear broad statements like "smoking is more addictive than heroin/cocaine" or "harder to quit than heroin/cocaine" all the time lately, even in reputable news sources, but when it comes down to it they don't have any evidence backing them up other than the opinion of some supposed "expert", or perhaps a heroin user that they interviewed.

Perhaps some people - myself included - are more likely to quit heroin than smoking, but that is NOT because the mental addiction/physiological addiction/withdrawals from smoking are "harder". For me it's because I don't have the same motivating factors to quit smoking as I did to quit heroin, and cigarettes are more readily available, have not caused me anywhere the same level of immediate/noticeable problems in my life/health (not that smoking is not terrible for one's health, it's just that the adverse effects are not very rapidly noticeable), do not make it difficult for me to lead a normal life, etc, plus I feel like I want to deal with one addiction at a time and heroin seemed more important. I certainly would not consider smoking "harder" to quit than heroin though, as the addiction/dependence/WDs can't even compare. For example, I am not contemplating suicide if I have to go a day without smoking.

(For interest, here's a real study that concluded nicotine was NOT more addictive than cocaine: Is nicotine more addictive than cocaine? (I couldn't find any on heroin))
 
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First cigarette or lip of the day will give me a mild buzz. If I don't injest anythin w nicotine for a coupla days and pack a fat lip of cope ill get a rush for a few mins. Most days though I'm dippin so I dnt really get a rush unless its an extra large lipper of cope lc.

On a side note I dnt understand how ppl enjou snus or pouches. There's like barely any tobacco in em. = no nicotine.
 
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