paperchaser
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I'm guessing lung damage? What would be the complications from doing this if I were to snort my subs for a few months?
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Bupe What are the harms of intranasal buperenorphine?
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Pulmonary issues are probably the biggest concern. One way to avoid this is by making a nasal spray out of the suboxone by dissolving it in water, filtering (ideally with a micron filter) and then spraying your dose into your nasal cavity.
tricomb
Bluelight Crew
As tommy mentioned your going to want to create a saline solution. Be sure to do so in a way where you can accurately monitor your dose.
lazylazyjoe
Bluelighter
Chronic Insuffilation Dangers:
damage to the nasal cavity
damage to the nasal septum
Even if you don't make a bupe solution, it's wise to use a generic saline nasal spray to clear yourself out.
damage to the nasal cavity
damage to the nasal septum
Even if you don't make a bupe solution, it's wise to use a generic saline nasal spray to clear yourself out.
Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
^+1 Be good to your shnoz! It's been good to you 
The only concern with using the nasal solution is to use it properly. I've known one person who used to waterline small amounts of tar regularly and eventually enough fluid built up in their lungs, probably helped along by some bug she had, to where they had a pretty bad case of pneumonia. Although properly used nasal solution would probably be ideal in terms of harm reduction, I never found sniffing suboxone to be so bad (using about 4mg/day 4/7 days at least per week for about six months).
The only concern with using the nasal solution is to use it properly. I've known one person who used to waterline small amounts of tar regularly and eventually enough fluid built up in their lungs, probably helped along by some bug she had, to where they had a pretty bad case of pneumonia. Although properly used nasal solution would probably be ideal in terms of harm reduction, I never found sniffing suboxone to be so bad (using about 4mg/day 4/7 days at least per week for about six months).
Znegative
Bluelight Crew
What dosage are we talking about here? I like the onset and increase BA of insufflated bupe, but the powder from the pills really irritated my nose. I could never sniff more than .5 mg at a time.
You can also plug which is pretty similar in terms if onset, duration and BA, it just gives you a but more of a rush.
You can also plug which is pretty similar in terms if onset, duration and BA, it just gives you a but more of a rush.
Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
IME I found intranasal to provide more of what I believe we are referring to as a rush than plugging, but this might just be due to GI issues suffered as a problem (an no I don't mean I was raped by a priest or anything... 8))
Certainly, I would not saying snorting anything over 4-6mg/day is really safe even medium term, certainly not long term. Makes me cringe when I hear about people snorting 24mg/day day after day after day. In that situation you absolutely should be plugging or taking it sublingually.
Certainly, I would not saying snorting anything over 4-6mg/day is really safe even medium term, certainly not long term. Makes me cringe when I hear about people snorting 24mg/day day after day after day. In that situation you absolutely should be plugging or taking it sublingually.
tricomb
Bluelight Crew
I like plugging because it's not really bad for you like putting raw powders up your nose. I don't like messing with my respiratory system if I can help it. I feel like your GI system is built a bit more durable than your epithelial membranes.
Plus I feel like I've done enough damage to my nose, snorting these Opanas with the risk of silicosis and everything. I really should make a saline solution with the IR oxymorph.
Plus I feel like I've done enough damage to my nose, snorting these Opanas with the risk of silicosis and everything. I really should make a saline solution with the IR oxymorph.
GourmetPez
Greenlighter
Opanas are probably one of the least harshest on the nose, even with the binders and stuff compared to most pills broken down into raw powder. As far as subs go are you taking subutex or suboxone? Depending on which one you're doing snorting might not be the best idea. That nasal spray idea would be the best way to do it, especially with subutex. The orange taste wouldn't be the best in the nose I would imagine. Why not just take it under the tongue? Is the BA that much better while insufflated?
tricomb
Bluelight Crew
I don't think there's significant difference between insufflated suboxone vs subutex.
insufflated BA is higher than SL for buprenorphine.
insufflated BA is higher than SL for buprenorphine.
GourmetPez
Greenlighter
Tricomb I like reading your posts because you have a ton of knowledge when it comes to this stuff(no homo lol). How much higher is the BA insufflated? Is it so much higher that it makes it a better ROA? I've insufflated the subutex before and it wasn't that bad at all, but I saw one of my friends do a suboxone and it looked like he wanted to cry and complained about the orange taste lol. That's why I take the suboxone SL.
PinK~cloud
Bluelighter
I didn't read the above posts much, so I apologize if someone already said this:
I have been on suboxone for 3 years now. For 2 of those years I have used suboxone intranasal. I would snort quite a bit of the stuff when I was on higher dosages. I didn't notice any real side effects until about 6 months ago, when I would get terrible coughing fits after snorting the stuff. It gave me short term bronchitis, so I was forced to find another way of taking it.
I found a method that works like a charm; you can still take suboxone intranasally, and the best part is, there's no lung damage. In fact, this method can be used to snort any sort of drug.
Basically, you use a bendy straw, like one you get at starbucks or something (I buy big packs of straws from the grocery store for about a dollar). You cut it so that you can put one end up your nose (pretty far, just not far enough to cause pain) and the other in your mouth so that the bendy straw makes an almost 45 degree angle. You will want to put some tape around the end that's up your nose, because the drugs will blow out if you don't plug it sufficiently. Anyway, I like to load the drugs in through the mouth area (when its perfectly dry), and tap it so that they fall into the "corner area." I then take a deep breath through my mouth, load the straw in, and slowly exhale. You'll notice air coming out the other nostril, which is good (note, do not plug the other nose not in use).
The first couple times you do it there will be a stronger than normal burn, because all the drugs are going up your sinuses--instead of partially into the lungs--and they are going to places not previously reached. It is the greatest system because nothing is wasted, your lungs are intact, and you can "blow" large amounts all at once.
Let me know if you have any other questions. I hope you enjoy this method as much as I do.
EDIT: to all the people who do the nasal sprays, try this method. It is so much more convenient, and works like a charm. My lungs have been thanking me ever since.
I have been on suboxone for 3 years now. For 2 of those years I have used suboxone intranasal. I would snort quite a bit of the stuff when I was on higher dosages. I didn't notice any real side effects until about 6 months ago, when I would get terrible coughing fits after snorting the stuff. It gave me short term bronchitis, so I was forced to find another way of taking it.
I found a method that works like a charm; you can still take suboxone intranasally, and the best part is, there's no lung damage. In fact, this method can be used to snort any sort of drug.
Basically, you use a bendy straw, like one you get at starbucks or something (I buy big packs of straws from the grocery store for about a dollar). You cut it so that you can put one end up your nose (pretty far, just not far enough to cause pain) and the other in your mouth so that the bendy straw makes an almost 45 degree angle. You will want to put some tape around the end that's up your nose, because the drugs will blow out if you don't plug it sufficiently. Anyway, I like to load the drugs in through the mouth area (when its perfectly dry), and tap it so that they fall into the "corner area." I then take a deep breath through my mouth, load the straw in, and slowly exhale. You'll notice air coming out the other nostril, which is good (note, do not plug the other nose not in use).
The first couple times you do it there will be a stronger than normal burn, because all the drugs are going up your sinuses--instead of partially into the lungs--and they are going to places not previously reached. It is the greatest system because nothing is wasted, your lungs are intact, and you can "blow" large amounts all at once.
Let me know if you have any other questions. I hope you enjoy this method as much as I do.
EDIT: to all the people who do the nasal sprays, try this method. It is so much more convenient, and works like a charm. My lungs have been thanking me ever since.
tricomb
Bluelight Crew
What the hell was homo about your post? And you shouldn't offend minorities! LOL.
SL- usually like 30-50% if you get optimum absorbtion but not usually.
IN- 50-60%
I don't have tons of experience with buprenorphine, but enough to say that snorted hits way harder than SL even if you use the listerine trick.
HdoubleODeezy
Bluelighter
when someone says "no homo" it's a way of saying i don't mean to sound gay
or if you say something that is gay like i love my boys (no homo) it shows that you love your group of guys but in a non gay way.
tricomb
Bluelight Crew
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