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West Australian cover story - EZ kit blasted

What the hell is going on in Mr Nick Millers mind ?
First we have Tuesdays edition with a positive story on the (well positive for the West) rave culture then today we have this tripe biased reporting. Does anyone care about harm prevention here in WA. I think not, especially the big dick dressed in Blue.
Its time we poked these neanderthal stone aged types squarely between the eyes and asked them what the fuck they are going to do with their own kids should they ever experiment with drugs.
WA Police policy...bury your head in the sand and hope the problem will go away by talking to onesself LOUDELY.
Now I may be wrong..as the police are usually a reflection of the laws of parliament and are the meat in the sandwich so to speak...but jesus Mr Police minister I would hate to be your kid.
Yep time to turn this report around on its head and load up the Bluelight cannon with factual, non biased email to our mate Nick.
Coco..
Hairy and hard outside...pure and sweet inside.. (yeah right!)
 
Hey remember that rave != drugs all of time. It took me 6 years worth of on and off raving before I had any sort of drug beyond vodka. (hmmm except for one belfast where I shared a couple of joints...) Actually it would be cool to do some sort of survey out the front of one of the bigger parties.
 
Hey remember that rave != drugs all of time. It took me 6 years worth of on and off raving before I had any sort of drug beyond vodka. (hmmm except for one belfast where I shared a couple of joints...) Actually it would be cool to do some sort of survey out the front of one of the bigger parties...
Hmmmmm anyone remember what the ratio of E death per number dropped worldwide? I wonder if its one of those "Its safer to take E than it is to drive" things. EZ tests are to E as roadworthy tests are to cars.
 
Hey remember that rave != drugs all of time. It took me 6 years worth of on and off raving before I had any sort of drug beyond vodka. (hmmm except for one belfast where I shared a couple of joints...) Actually it would be cool to do some sort of survey out the front of one of the bigger parties...
Hmmmmm anyone remember what the ratio of E death per number dropped worldwide? I wonder if its one of those "Its safer to take E than it is to drive" things. It kinda puts reports like these into perspective...
EZ tests are to E as roadworthy tests are to cars.
 
well we got two letters to the editor in today. Mine got in but was cut to shreads, actually kinda fucked off coz they cut bits out that i really would have like to be included and left bits in that were not as important.
someone elses letter was given a lot of space, very good, anyone from here?
mine is the shorter one.
However the Editor of the West used his entire column to criticise the tester again, so its not just police now jb but the biggest journo in W.A
Some of the gems:
"it would do young people a grave disservice"
"its availability on the market is deplorable. The kit was devised as a money making venture aimed at exploiting the gullible and the naive"
"acts as direct encouragement to young people to use the drug...causing a misguided belief that XTC is safe"
"legitimises the use of illegal substances"
"the kit undermines drug education programs which aim to warn children against taking drugs particularly those that are marketed illegally."
and the clincher: "it encourages contempt for the law. ..designed delibrately to help people break the law; people buying it signal their intention to do so. ...hard to maintain respect for the law...it is at odds with itself if it bans an activity but not a specifically designed aid to it...the msg we should convey to young people is that XTC is dangerous..the kit blurs that simple msg and shouldn't be allowed on the market"
well i should have ammended the 1st line of my letter, the police, ministers and JOURNOS are totally out of touch with reality.
i mean sure his comments about the danger, the unknown long term effects of MDMA are valid, but he is just totally missing the point.
 
The ironic thing is that taking the stance they do and spouting off quotes like that when they really do not have the knowledge or information to back them up just makes the problem worse.
People like ourselves and other people involved in the 'scene' just loose respect and trust, and then with parents and others using this kind of mis-information as gospel it just widens the gaps already there.
I think everyone above has handled this very well and it just gives me even more respect for the caliber of people here and their intentions of harm reduction, etc.
Personally I am more concerned about the long term effects of breathing petrolium fumes and exhaled cigarette smoke (sorry to all you smokers out there) and crap in foods like preservatives and trans-fatty-acids and genetic engineering.
Really what it comes down to is people are just kidding themselves about the health and well bearing of others due to fear and misunderstanding. This fight will never be finished, I am just glad that - regardless of whether or not I ever take drugs again - I beleive I have a reasonable balanced view... and I believe on educating myself and admitting when I am wrong.
Just as a side note, I actually discourage non users from trying drugs... but if they are totally dead set and are going to do it anyway then I want to know that they are informed as much as possible.
Boy ranting on a bit huh... will be interesting how this unfolds, I spotted that PMA thing quickly too, nice work JB... hope we get some definative answer soon, I have emailed all over the place and never managed to get any response.
 
ok i received no less than 3 seprate emails from Nick Miller today aboutthis, mainly in response to your comments here.
He even went so far as to write a reply here, but deleted it because his papers policy is to not publicly respond. he has said tho that if anyone wants to email take it up with him directly then feel free to.
he points out, and i agree, that his article is not biased. can we just clear that up? reading people comments slamming him and his article is not helping anything.
bias does not mean reporting something you dont agree with, especially when it also reports both sides.
the article airs a range of peoples views on the subject. one is decidedly negative; the police. this also gets seemingly more attention in the article but this is not suprising. this article was written in response to a police press conference and statement on the ez-tests. of course they get more column inches.
there is then one entirely positive source; Tony Puglio, followed by two cautiously positve sources, the scientist and the women from WA Substance Users Association. both of these sources say they support the product and that it does what it says but qualify their statements with worries that we must admit are true.
so thats one negative, one positive and two cautously positive... where's the bias?
just because it isnt entirely positive some people here are slamming the article. i think it's ridiculous to do so and counter-productive to our cause.
the editorial is another matter. that is something everyone can feel safe in attacking, but then thats an opinion piece. the article was actually balanced reporting.
Nick Miller wrote me an email this morning straight after the editorial was publish, warning me that it might annoy us Bluelighters, and clearly distancing him self from it.
everyone should feel free to give their side of the story, or even just their opinion. these days the media is interactive. we now have a relationship going with a journalist who writes these stories, one who has said he would like to hear our input. this means we dont have to sit hear and have it all spoon fed to us, we can partcipate... but to do so means we have be fair and even handed ourselves, and not fall victim to easy knee jerk reactions hen we get angry...
 
The Latest News
The Chemical Generation have spoken with Nick Miller this morning (for about a half-hour) and detailed many of the concerns listed here...his response was overwhelmingly positive and he was severely misinformed, it seems, from all sides.
One of these 'misinformees' was the Sydney crew who distribute E-Z Test. Their total non-interest in any facet of the product that might be remotely educational was a major factor in Nick's bad feelings expressed throughout the article.
In fact, he sniffed (quite rightly I believe) that they are totally self-absorbed and on a money-making-only trip. They couldn't care less about this scene or it's people and the fact that they know about this board and it's many meber's, yet choose not to be involved at all, should tell you plenty. I, for one, am very glad to be no longer associated with this group (AJ, however, I will miss very much).
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Anyway, enough backstabbing. Nick has no bias and is a very personable and sane gentleman who simply wasn't in possession of all the facts at the time. In his next article, I think you'll see a very different slant.
How we respond and act up to that point will either prove, or disprove, his opinions of us and our scene. So please consider your opinions and express through considered thought, rather than pure emotion, on this one...
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Now I am pissed off!!! I have just read the West Australian Editors personal opinionated drivel with his take on Ecstasy testing kits. The article the yesterday was, as JB stated, trying to be informative. This however is nothing more than one sided opinion that has obviously not been thought through very well.
Unbelievable shite!
Aus
 
Ooopps, apologies...I believe that Nick DIDN'T get a chance to speak to the E-Z Test guys in Sydney...my mistake..I misunderstood a communique... so it appears his opinions are based on other factors (of which I'm not aware at this time)...
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well my letter was attacked by some fwit today. I would love to reply but i don't think they r going to turn the letters to the editor column into a debate.
This guy basically said how depraved our society is for needing to find love/enjoyment inside a pill. Missing the point that its just an occasional something which enhances the existing love and enjoyment. I mean we all know that its those with that happiest lives and best relationships that get the most out of MDMA anyway.
then he attacked us for not having the courage to inc our name etc. Yeah, i am a 19yr old law student who lives with his parents. I really need them and employers knowing what i do and my support of it; not to mention the adverse effect on my close friends, as they too would automatically be assumed to be doing it.
sorry i am just frustrated!
 
Biscuit: it's people like that that were up against, the intelligent yet ignorant.
Seriously, the dude sounds like a wanker. One of those if it's not black it must be white.
fuck I'm frustrated
 
i wrote this letter in about 10mins, was very rushed and unfortunately didn't think about it too much. Here is what i wrote to them. following this is what they actually put in, as u'll see some of the bits they left in were the least important and clearly as i expected were the ones that were attacked:
"I was disgusted with some of the comments found in your cover story on the ecstasy testing kits (Wed, 7/6). It only served to further prove how dangerously out of touch with reality some of the ministers and police are. The E-Z test is undoubtedly the most important tool ever developed for ecstasy users. Until the government endorses precise quantitative lab testing this is the best we have got.
Week after week users simply buy a pill and throw it down. Generally they just waste their money, sometimes their night is ruined, and on the rare occasion it could have tragic consequences. Since using the tester I have never once had anything less than a fantastic night on what imo is a very special drug.
Users are well aware that the test does not prove safety, purity and strength. But the chances of finding harmful adulterants in pills which DO contain MDMA is far less than the fakes, which contain the dangerous chemical cocktails attempting to reproduce the MDMA effect. No one is claiming MDMA is safe either; but its inherently safer than most of the other chemicals contained in the pills.
Kevin Prince's comment is disgustingly irresponsible and naive. No one is just going to simply stop using the drug. Especially a drug like XTC, as users do not consider it a drug of abuse. Intelligent, responsible users know its a once a month, at most, journey into unparalleled fun, love and enjoyment. Harm reduction and education is the only way, and the testers are a step in the right direction. Threatening arrest on people possessing them is disgraceful; that is what is immoral.
Fred Gere's comment that its potential is limited and its just a money making scheme is totally wrong. The people supplying the testers are doing something far more positive than the police which just continue to argue that its illegal and dangerous, not achieving anything in the process. Additionally the biggest problem facing XTC users today is the fake and dangerous pills. Almost all the deaths and hospitalisations are through people who haven't actually taken MDMA at all. The testers will hopefully begin to wipe these off the streets as users will begin to be far more selective.
Until then I want all users to ignore that utter garbage which was printed and go out and get yourself a tester. You will save a lot of money and potential heartache; but remember you are dealing with a very powerful and potentially dangerous drug; be careful and responsible. And responsible, Kevin Prince, is educating and protecting yourself and that begins with utilising the testing kit!
In the West: I was disgusted with some of the comments in your report on the ecstasy testing kits (Wed, 7/6). They proved how dangerously out of touch with reality some of the ministers and police are.
The E-Z test is undoubtedly the most important tool ever developed for ecstasy users.
Since using the tester I have never once had anything less than a fantastic night on what imo is a very special drug.
Kevin Prince's comment is naive. No one is just going to simply stop using ecstasy. It is not considered a drug of abuse. Intelligent, responsible users know its a once a month journey into fun, love and enjoyment. Harm reduction and education is the only way, and the testers are a step in the right direction.
Acting Det-Supt Fred Gere's comment that its potential is limited and its just a money making scheme is totally wrong. The people supplying the testers are doing something far more positive than the police.
The biggest problem facing XTC users today is the fake and dangerous pills. Almost all the deaths and hospital cases are through people who haven't actually taken MDMA at all. The testers will hopefully begin to wipe these off the streets as users will begin to be far more selective."
The other letter in support of this mainly discussed a personal exp, where he/she had to care for a friend after they took a bad pill, and then later found out via the tester, gee what a surprise, that it didn't have mdma in it. He/she discusses dancesafe and how the police cannot totally stop illegal drug use and that the kits are preventing what the police want to avoid, deaths.
Now the replies:
"The two letters about the drug known as ecstasy are a sad reminder of how depraved and degraded our society has become.
One writer claims that "intelligent, responsible users, know it is a once-a-month journey into fun, love and enjoyment." The other claims that he or she has often been asked "whether I am chasing a pill"
The very fact that so much so-called "fun, love and enjoyment" must be bundled into a stupid pill, sold illegally and often in subterfuge as some other deadly concoction, shows just how naive some people really are.
The other thing that amused me about these letters is that neither author had the courage of their own convictions to allow their names and suburbs to be appended to them."
And just today someone also took offence to my phrase "intelligent and responsible users"; as he/she feels that "no one who abuses their body with illegal and dangerous drugs could ever be considered to be either."
well there u go, but as matzuber pointed out we did get support from someone with far more clout than any of us, Dr Wodak (director of alcohol and drug service, St. Vincents hospital) quite clearly blasted Kevin Prince, and showed clear support for any device which could reduce harm, which brought a nice grin to my face.
 
Ive held off on this one and it will probably piss alot of people off. But....
Heres the thing, most people here use a test kit. I dont, I have my reasons. But in all honesty, is it used to see if a pill will kill you, or is it used to see if a pill is any good? I dont really care, but I think the later will be the majorities response.
Im all for having them available for both reasons, but taking pills is illegal, there are no tried and true facts on wheather E use causes any or if not huge amount of damage to the user, and having kits out and available hardly discourages ecstacy use. But like I say, I dont care if they available or not and I dont realy care about the above reasons that I have just given.
But given from a police and media point of view (and we all agree that that is pretty fucked) ecstacy use is a huge concern to alot of people. It is a huge 'industry' with huge amounts of money made, and it could cause a huge health problem in 20-30 years time if all of use become vegetables beacause of E use.
Let them have their winge. Even at worst if they ban them, they will be available. Last time I checked E's werent legal?
Personally, if E's were made legal, there would be a control on quality, and the government makes some cash of taxes, and it decreases bad men making money, so why not do it.
A friend of mine did a course on alcohol (some pub thing) and was told that the government had propossed a bill to make E's legal in night clubs instead of alcohol, due the violence levels associated with each.
Bag me, im ready for it. I'm just pretty open minded to it all, and used to the police and media bullshit, to the point were I dont give a fuck anymore.
 
Well spoken pacman, however i am a big supporter of pill testers being legal, simply cause that makes them easier to get.
I figure the advantage of having them become common include the facts that the more peeps that have them, the better chance we have of avoiding deaths from large doses of K and other MDMA substitutes, and the less bunk pills r bought, hopefully the less that r made.
 
Well fuck you too Pacman....
I sit hear reading your posts about what pills are supposedly good and what pills are supposedly bad...and anecdotal evidence from your friends with similar views.
Fancy not giving a shit anymore about the society we live in and harm prevention. I thought the whole point of "E" was to bring people closer together in a peacefully, loving caring community. You seem to have totally lost the plot with your last post, and I would say get out of the scene for a while and chill by yourself if you keep coming out with this sort of tripe.
You have REALLY got me mad now. I am even punching the keyboard as I type I'm that pissed off. F... OFF for the good of us all if you do not care about EZ Testing and Harm Prevention.
I am all for the Media and police writing articles in the paper wether it be for or against EZ Testing and Ecstacy use. At least we as a society are discussing a growing 'potential' problem and that can only be a healthy thing. Just look in last Saturday's West for a balanced responsible argument from Dr ALex Wodak and I think you will see my point.
But then again you really do not give a shit...so its like talking to a brick wall.
Utterly Disgusted.
Coco.
 
ummm I think pacman's all for harm prevention, just not E-Z tests. And it wasn't like he was bagging them, just that he doesn't care for them.
If i got it right I can see his point of view.
But I should let him defend himself.
I get by without a kit. If i had heaps of money, I'd buy one, but seeing as I have none, I get by fine without one.
I encourage their use, they give some fairly hard evidence, and something to back yourself up with, but there are other ways.
 
Well coco-nut, be as digusted as you like. It sound like you need some sort of theropy if my last post pissed you off that much.
So, you think i've lost the plot. Did you actually read what I wrote? At what point did you interprete any of that into me not giving a shit about anyone else?
I said I didnt care what reason anyone used their test kit for, and I said that I dont care about the crap that is printed and said by the media and police, but not caring about anyone else? Seeing things pal.
You may have your opinion on what taking E is all about, but if I want "to bring people closer together in a peacefully, loving caring community", I'd join a fucking church or the orange people or something.
I take E to have a good time with good friends. You and your nutty freak mates can do what you like with it.
So let me know if im wrong, but are you saying that you use a test kit only for the purpose of seeing wheather a pill is going to harm you in any way or not? HORSESHIT!
As far as I know the test kits available will give you a broad idea of what is in a pill, but is very non-specific. If you are worried about wheather a pill is going to fuck you up that much that you are using a shabby kit like this to test your pills, I think you should lay of the pills for good before it effects your brain. OOPS, too late.
If there was a kit around that distinguised exactly what was in a pill, i'd be its biggest advocate. But like I said in my reply, I think this kit has its place with many people, and I dont have a problem with it. I just dont use it.
And if your all for the media having a different opinion to you in the stories that they write, what does it matter if I do?
I was ready for criticism, but you reply was utterly fucking stupid. Grow up and look at the big picture. You sound like an out of place loser that started taking E to fit in, and anyone that opposes your opinion is just wrong.
So i'll end this with a few quotes from your reply
"I would say get out of the scene for a while and chill by yourself if you keep coming out with this sort of tripe."
and my favourite...
"F... OFF for the good of us all"
 
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