Went off alcohol in favour of amphetamine??

[AcidTrippin]

Anyone else do similar with alcohol or drop it completely? I would never be one to say I've 'stopped' something I tend to go through periods of more binging on something, stopping in favor of something else and rotating as I like most drugs out of the classics anyway.

Just my stomach is fucked for some reason and I'm not a big fan of having to sit and drink alcohol, normally always drank beer/cider but due to it sitting in my stomach switched to wine but for some reason now that I've started taking amphetamine again I've completely lost interest. It's much more my type of drug for social settings etc and getting stuff done, it also makes me want to go out and interact with people a lot more and a have been hiding past few months 8( for some reason I'm not as into downers as much now especially ones that make you act out of character as I tend to find they make me a lot more negatively out of character than uppers do or psychedelics. Alcohol also tends to make me quite drowsy after a few hours.

Just the issue with this is I'm worried about effects of regular amphetamine use, at the moment the main problem is sleep and the 'zombie' day after 2-3 day binges were you literally can't do anything but (for me) eat loads of food and get stoned and not venture outside. Was on it Mon/Tues this week, thinking of getting back on it today...then some cid tomorrow for bicycle day. I just don't really have any motivation in my brain at the moment to drink any alcohol despite it being a really lovely sunny day...normally this is the time I most feel like drinking.

I have not touched any amphetamine today yet, trying to eat in case it turns into a weekend of it, otherwise this would be x3 the size.

 

[ColtDan]

Sometimes yeah, i love uppers, been hammering booze for many years, booze and uppers combo my fave. cut down on booze recently. ive been doing a fair amount of speed recently, love the stuff, needing benzos to get me to sleep is a shitter though, ending up with a benzo problem due to that would be shite

 

[AcidTrippin]

I'm with ya on that one, been trying to get off xanax for good since january and it isn't a good help, but I have it a lot better under control and now only use <1mg at a time for sleep or if my heart starts racing/anxiety from taking speed for a long period.

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

I always used to hate booze as a drug (still do in many ways, though now it's one of the few I can actually get hold of without loads of hassle), but when on 'phet I used to drink like a fish. It was probably the only drug that made me actually capable of handling booze and actually wanting it in the first place. So well done for staying off the demon drink now that you're on speed. I reckon it's a damn sight better for you anyway.....

 

[Allein]

I gave up the booze a couple of years back, I'd got totally out of control.

I've dabbled with amphetamines for 20 years, it is the one enduring drug for me and was largely trouble free for many years. Of late my use has turned into abuse, it's just the way I roll these days so I'm seeking help to kick it into touch.

Fatigue is the main issue and of course tends to drive redosing, whilst benzos can get you to sleep it isnt quality sleep and the tiredness is unavoidable, at least without more.

I've been using meth of late and find it cleaner than sulphate but it does have a longer duration, I mainly snort the stuff but vape a little. My use is limited by the amount I'm in posession of, I can't 'save' the stuff anymore.

But i'd agree that in general amphetamines don't bring issues to the occational user, but don't be too complacent one of the features of an emerging problem is an increased confidence that you can handle it IME

 

[subotai]

but don't be too complacent one of the features of an emerging problem is an increased confidence that you can handle it IME

lol qft

I was pretty good at driving on heroin until I took out a street sign and tokyo drifted my way home doing 7 miles per hour

it was a deer crossing warning sign of all things. how ironic, a sign warning me about potential objects I could strike with my vehicle, I struck with my vehicle

on topic though, apples and oranges imo. Alcohol is the only drug I will take even though I really wouldnt say I overly enjoy solely because Im around it all day and its everywhere. Not that I dont enjoy it, I just prefer other things.

how do you feel about snorting crystals Allein? I wouldnt want to be doing that for an extended period of time OUCH

 

[Allein]

Crushed it snorts just fine and hardly burns at all, the quantity probably has some bearing but crystal is fine, it disolves really quick and has little adulterants.

 

[subotai]

it didnt really hurt as much as I thought it would initially but I didnt like the feeling for the next day of just feeling like something wasnt right up there. the only other drug that does that to me is cocaine but that goes without saying. even all the shit heroin can be cut with is rather unnoticeable (could be because I notice more shit on crystals than heroin I guess)

 

[Allein]

I can only use the one side, previous coke use means the other side will just bleed.

I don't get any blockge or doscomfort from it, the recent quite strong Sulphate I've had was a bastard to snort, I think soem the the wash reamined as it irritated enough for me to gel cap the rest.

 

[AcidTrippin]

Ended up taking amphetamine, alcohol wise 3 beers along with water bar a few sips of ginger beer and wine. Feeling a lot better for it, meant I stayed up all night, good conversation and hoping for no hangover. :D I don't know I just really prefer this stuff a lot better as a replacement for alcohol and also for productivity.

Got some magnesium citrate too...heard it helps with jaw clenching, tolerance and the overall side effects etc. Vaconstriction is one of the only issues but as the amphetamine is decent enough so it only occurs on tail-end of things.

 

[Shambles]

I would pick phet over booze any and every day of the week. Which is perhaps a good reason not to - I am a bit overly fond of stims. I always did okay with speed itself though - certainly compared to more recent favoured stims of mine. I'm far more functional on a speed binge than I am on a peev run. I'm mostly more than functional on speed unless I really push it which I certainly did a lot of but not to the same degree I have done with some of the RC stims. I did quite often drink on top but never really got drunk and tended to be drinking mostly for fluids and taste - I'd drink a beer rather than soft drinks but not in the way I'd drink beer if I was drinking without the speed. I'm better at moderating booze intake with speed than without it.

I always used to hate booze as a drug (still do in many ways, though now it's one of the few I can actually get hold of without loads of hassle)...

A common problem and one that I have a few issues with. It's not that I can't get other drugs but am mostly limited to online RCs (not gotten head around TOR sites and not sure I will (or indeed should)) with next to nothing I can get locally. Other than booze of course. I suspect I do use alcohol a lot more than I would if I had other options that were even remotely as easily available. Would be nice to have those options cos booze does me no good at all. Not saying other drugs do me good necessarily but less bad. Some of 'em anyway. I think booze has affected my health for the worse - my liver has felt swollen for years now and that can't be good. I've cut down a lot but I'm not likely to suddenly decide I don't like alterations of state at all so give them up completely any time soon so a more pleasing, less damaging option(s) would be great.

 

[Inflorescence]

Speaking of stims how many phentermine tablets do you think you would need to get any recreational use? Like the energy to do hoovering..or just hit the twofar!?

Then again I want to drink and drink pornstar martinis and eat chicken salad with goats cheese tonight..so I suppose..
Daddy or chips
stims or martini buzz...ahhhh it's a tough call...maybe I could have it all in a different order? And fuck the hoovering.

 

[Bearlove]

Sometimes yeah, i love uppers, been hammering booze for many years, booze and uppers combo my fave. cut down on booze recently. ive been doing a fair amount of speed recently, love the stuff, needing benzos to get me to sleep is a shitter though, ending up with a benzo problem due to that would be shite

Apart from the recent use of speed this sums me up!

Speed was my DOC for many years and love the booze / speed combo. Only really got into the booze as something to take the edge off (before drugs by post) then sort of fell in love with the 'fuzzy stage' between high / drunk so started to add that into the mix.

If I have speed I want a drink - same as some people taking it and wanting to chain smoke :D

 

[maxalfie]

I found that speed made me able to drink even more alcohol and enjoy it much more as well.
Heroin on the other hand totally killed off any desire to drink booze. I think once I had a habit I didn't touch alcohol for years.

 

[AcidTrippin]

I find it definitely makes me drink more if I'm out with a few cans of beer, but for some reason my urge to drink alcohol has just disappeared and amphetamine makes me piss enough as it is. I notice I'll mainly drink it if I'm on a comedown or what I call a 'zombie-day' after taking speed for a few days or anything really and for a 24 hour period you are essentially unable to do much and it's best to just stay indoors. Makes things less of a riding it out till sleep and more of an enjoyable time. But in general think it's hangovers, just really can't be arsed with them any more - I handle stim crashes a lot better and feel a lot more like I'm getting things done.

I don't know, I feel like I have gotten a very escapist feeling towards alcohol in recent months and similar to other downers I've started to really dislike drugs that make me act out of character in a negative way, e.g. angry/rude/egotistical. Think as someone who has done a long time of martial arts I sort've feel it's like making myself vulnerable for no big reason, however this is definitely more of an issue with dissociatives.

There is definitely a trend with me (it's almost like a warning sign to those close to me) that if I am starting to drink heavily out of nowhere I'm either feeling low or being self destructive. I've noticed I do get a craving almost, or urge to drink, if I'm on benzos or have taken them the night before just makes the idea of getting it down a lot easier, but after taking clonazepam for fuck knows how many months of last year, getting a mild habit, and then taking xanax (for 5 months and repeating a similar pattern) combined with heavy MDMA use led to a seizure on an LSD trip. I am seriously reluctant to go near the things and have began using herbal remedies for sleep. Obviously some people handle alcohol a lot better, I tend to be the type of person that just falls asleep or is sick if I drink too much though, I'm definitely not the type to blackout for a few hours before this stage, the drowsiness hits me first.

 

[GarageFlower]

I've never been a big drinker...I used to at the weekend but just so much as a whiff of alcohol and I crave coke, bad.

Don't drink at all these days. When I go out its to a rave so I sink a few E's and drink water.

 

[Sammy G]

But i'd agree that in general amphetamines don't bring issues to the occational user, but don't be too complacent one of the features of an emerging problem is an increased confidence that you can handle it IME

Here is wisdom. And I'll second that for sure.

Ended up taking amphetamine, alcohol wise 3 beers along with water bar a few sips of ginger beer and wine. Feeling a lot better for it, meant I stayed up all night, good conversation and hoping for no hangover. :D I don't know I just really prefer this stuff a lot better as a replacement for alcohol and also for productivity.

From what little I've read of your alcohol use (to say nothing of the benzos), it doesn't sound so much like you need to replace alcohol, but rather try to come to terms with what is (seemingly) driving you toward escapism through polydrug abuse. Otherwise I'd say there's every chance of you becoming dependent on amphetamines to some extent.

Also, the 'productivity' reason is classic stim-fiend rationalisation. What's stopping you being productive without the speed? If you find something recreational and functional, is that not a huge warning sign? Again, sounds like a bit of soul-searching wouldn't go amiss.

I may be wrong, of course, but I can see a certain pattern here. Maybe I'm seeing things, I dunno.

 

[Mylo]

Lol I could never enjoy a speed session without some sort of downer to balance out the jitteriness. Alcohol was the staple for that. Speed on its own really brings out my paranoid side........

Besides that though alcohol for me is primarily a social lubricant (few pints in a pub) and that's all I use it for nowadays. Like maxalfie heroin pushes alcohol out the way for me and takes centre stage, there is only ever one winner in that fight.

 

[deano88]

I enjoy the occasional dab of speed just lately if I'm drinking on the weekend but I don't do it every week and only go longer than 1 night if I'm raving. I used to hate speed years ago

 

[AcidTrippin]

I may be wrong, of course, but I can see a certain pattern here. Maybe I'm seeing things, I dunno.

There's a pattern of me really liking most classic recreational drugs in high amounts. Thanks for your post though as always good to see from these angles, I sometimes get a bit into drugs when I find myself doing them more than a day or two which has led to problems in the past, so I'm quite cautious but you know how it is. Although to be honest as long as I have some weed I'm happy. I do make sure to never go on the stuff for like 3-4 days a week in total, I tend to change my drug use quite a lot. I am productive without speed, but it's that time of year mate for many.

Off the stuff now, so less involuntary essays.