Weird occurrences in the REAL world while tripping

[DarthMom]

The point I want to make is that the magic humans get is called 'science'. The wizards that toil on spells are actually working equations.

This reminds of my favorite quote, by uncle Al, "we place no reliance on virgin or pigeon, our method is science, our aim is religion"

 

[gloggawogga]

The wizards that toil on spells are actually working equations.

Toil on these equations. How do you explain the apparent violations of local realism which are verified experimentally? Could there be things about Nature even the wisest wizards don't understand?

 

[Intoxo]

Are you agreeing with me? Stuff like Bell's inequality is exactly what I'm talking about in that quote. I must have miscommunicated myself somewhere...

 

[Medatripper Tates]

that is a very nice way of saying those who experience something unusual are insane. and also a very obvious way of saying you haven't experienced something that made you think twice about reality.

exactly, we cannot fully explain through words the depth of some experiences, and how significant they actually are. i had a very real experience with my brother, we were walking down the road and our conversations would start crumbling away from this forgetfulness we were experiencing. i could see my thoughts leaving as i forgot everything and went deeper into each moment. we started walking down the road, and i felt myself leave my body. i looked behind me and i saw my self walking behind me, leaving me, and then it crumbled away into thousands of particle like pieces. the thing that changes everything is that my brother saw it too, and he could feel it too! and he is very honest, and would not bs about something like this.

after this experience, i knew that there is more to wake up to, and that the majority of us have lost the method. i could know everything about the physical universe, but this will have nothing to do with the depth one can experience.

 

[rm-rf]

one time while sitting in a back seat of a car, a cop pulls up behind, turns his lights on, sits behind us for like 3 seconds then pulls up parallel (was on highway), waves, and drives ahead of us going like 85-95mph.

i was tripping face on some shrooms.

friends of mine and I have a mantra, why does wierd shit ALWAYS happen when were tripping?!?

like ill be stoned, and then ill see an ice cream truck have a head on collision with a hot dog stand or something. its always wacky shit like that.

 

[Medatripper Tates]

I totally agree that we may prove our current assumptions false, and I certainly believe there are areas that seem like magic now but will eventually be defined tested and duplicated.

But there have been tons of studies that have tried to prove far-sight, telekenisis, and telepathy, and they have all failed. There are no humans who can turn those fantasies into reality.

As far as the unconscious mind goes, the jury is still out. I think we all know there is a wierd depth there, and science has made only the most tentative probes into that darkness. The connection between the mind and the immune system is mindblowing itself.


The point I want to make is that the magic humans get is called 'science'. The wizards that toil on spells are actually working equations.

I don't think it matters if you call it science or magic, fact or fiction. The point is unexplainable events are occuring to certain individuals, and we should not throw them off by trying to define or label them, because that will only hinder our future progress with these experiences. The depth does not stop here, the more I think about it, the more shallow the experiences begin to get.

 

[Church]

why does wierd shit ALWAYS happen when were tripping?!?

like ill be stoned, and then ill see an ice cream truck have a head on collision with a hot dog stand or something. its always wacky shit like that.

LMFAO!! Did that really happen?

 

[Church]

I don't think it matters if you call it science or magic, fact or fiction. The point is unexplainable events are occuring to certain individuals, and we should not throw them off by trying to define or label them, because that will only hinder our future progress with these experiences.

Yeah, but at least when people try to do this ^ it ends up being quite humorous to those of us who are aware that science has only just BEGUN to start figuring things out.

Science as dogma... you gotta love it....

 

[gloggawogga]

Are you agreeing with me? Stuff like Bell's inequality is exactly what I'm talking about in that quote. I must have miscommunicated myself somewhere...

Well if you understood that document, you'd know that both the equations and experimental data seem to be telling us that local realism is violated under certain conditions. Now if local realism can be violated, that tells us something about Nature. What's wierd and unbelievable about all of these strange stories is that they all, in one way or another, seem to violate local realism.

 

[Intoxo]

point taken, but particle emission and people on drugs aren't comparable imo.

Maybe someday the breakthrough will come and it will turn out that trippers can manipulate morphogenic quantum membranes, and I'll look like an idiot, but till then I'm skeptical.

 

[masheadatronic]

These could be coincidence of course and I wish I could think of better examples but I cant remember any at the moment,

A few years ago whilst coming down from acid a friend of mine decided to take me to this christian place as she thought it would help me hmmm anyway a couple of days later I did acid again and I had a bad trip, I was still tripping the next day when I looked out the window and one of the women who was at this christian place walked by, I had never seen her before the other day and apparently I found out after this she only lived down the road,

Another time after taking acid at an outdoor party on one side of the city me and my friends were walking trying to find a way home, we saw a cop car and started panicking straight away for some reason, we ran and there was a bus pulled up at the side of the road. No one bothered to check what bus it was, but we got on and watched as the bus drove slowly all the way through the city and then looked like it was going the way we wanted it to, it did indeed and it stopped right outside our house.

I am pretty sure that is the only bus in the city that takes that route and we didnt even know that bus route existed, pretty lucky I would say and surely more than just coincidence,

Another weird time I just remembered was about 6am me and a friend on acid and mushrooms went to the park, he had a back pack with a snickers ice cream in it and I was wearing a big parka, we sat on a bench admiring the beauty of the park although we kept hearing noises behind us in the bushes, it's just squirrels we said to each other, until a few minutes later a half naked guy pulls up on a bike and asks if we have seen his bag and his coat? We said no and as soon as he had gone we ran home. What the fuck was this guy doing half naked on a bike at 6am in the park looking for his bag and coat... I know we noticably had a bag and coat between us but that was weird

I wish I could think of more similar experiences as I have had a few and these might not be the best of examples but you get the picture, all could just be coincidence however who knows

 

[mountain]

This bit happened to my friend when me & him were tripping on morning glories on a remote cliff, in the summer of 2002 (iirc). It all went quite well, after the mandatory puking we had a little bud for a chaser, after which the visuals and everything started coming on quite powerfully. That's also when my friend went into a bad trip, unable to stand and feeling very bad and confused. At that time, he received an SMS message from his ex-girlfried saying "are you all right?". No communication between them had taken place before of during the trip, and so this message came out of the blue. She's often been said to be sensitive in a psychic sense, though I don't really get that. Somehow, she seemed to know what was happening. Unexplained so far, hm.

 

[bikki_muncher69]

Church I get those fuckers too, its not so much that they are the same looking people but the same souls and they do give you a very very fucking errie feeling there is allways 2 or 3 of them and they are smartasses ive talked to them before if you dont let the fear take controll your sweet but if you do let it take control they will fuck with you. Well ive had that and my friend has also turned into another person like it was my friend but the way he was talking to me it was not him at all, the wierd this was i told him about it and he said yeah i saw you talking to me while i was having an OBE and what he (or the person) said to me absolutely freaked the fuck out of me. The soul said "so how would you like to end up this way forever and did this really really evil laugh", was really mean and horrible also knew some personal shit i hadent told my mate.

Also ive had things just dissapear out of my hands like a friend would offer me a mars bar so id try to break a peice off of it but it would keep slipping ot of my hands "i had a firm grip and the bar wasent slippery it was just dissapareing into nothing so i had to quickly grab it and rip a peice off. Ive also had my phone doing wierd shit like connecting to mobile phone services that dont even exist calling to check for my credit and it will say somthing like "your balance is infinate dollars and infinate cents, then will switch to random peoples conversations"

 

[Church]

The soul said "so how would you like to end up this way forever and did this really really evil laugh", was really mean and horrible also knew some personal shit i hadent told my mate.

WOW that gave me shivers when I read that part!

 

[Church]

Church I get those fuckers too, its not so much that they are the same looking people but the same souls and they do give you a very very fucking errie feeling there is allways 2 or 3 of them and they are smartasses ive talked to them before if you dont let the fear take controll your sweet but if you do let it take control they will fuck with you.

I can tell that you know what I'm talking about! And something you just reminded me of, after all this time, is that they always seemed to be there waiting for me or something... I've already mentioned I never spoke to them, but they would always seem to find a way to enter into my field of vision at some point and start acting out the trip I was having in my head, if that makes sense. But it seemed like they were waiting for me to acknowledge them, in which case I suppose they would have reacted to either my fear of them, or my acceptance of them as being archetypes from the deep collective consciousness that have escaped from my head or something... whatever I would have felt if I had, in fact, gone up to them and talked to them.

I kinda wish now that I would have done something, but it's too late now. I havent seen those guys in several years. All I know is that they were just, there, acting out my inner thoughts... you know how like you could be reading a book, and you'll come to a line that says the very same word that you hear someone in the next room over say at the exact same time? You know what I'm talking about? Well that's what these guys were doing, to me. Only not with words, with actions. It's like they were a part of me or something.

And I don't mean to get all metaphysical and shit. I don't really read into these situations very much. I just know what happened, and that they were real people. I try not to explain things away too often. I just know that the human mind is capable of so much more than "science" currently accepts.

It's a shame really, because science could progress so much faster if it would allow itself to accept that which is invisible or unexplainable first, before trying to make sense of it... but that's pretty much the definition of faith, which seems to be precluded from science. We always seem to feel that we have to make sense of something first, before we can accept it, when sometimes the sense-making exists INSIDE the acceptance.

 

[Ximot]

I value psy's for allowing me to look at my dark side, less and less afraid as I delve down there more. Accepting more and more the things I cannot change. I once read an interview with Ken Kesey in which he likened the psychedelic experience to having a look at "the books" - . . . we each have our own internal bookkeeper who registers everything we have ever done, said + thought. Best way to live is to know that you always have your bookkepper watching.... so no nasty surprises when it's time to open the books again. Many if not all of us know exactly when we have done something wrong/unbeneficial. I just can't help thinking these guys are some sort of 'collective unconscious' possibly brought about by the influence of the media (film.....) . . .

The other thing, the for me perhaps most uncanny part, is that it's definitely true that something is up energetically when we trip.... I just find it amazing how much empathy - however temporary - I can have for so many different kinds of people, and how subtle energy fluctuations become noticeable and seem to be the sole cause and effect for many if not all of the material manifestations we see. Case in point: tension headaches after difficult trips. Animals definitely know something's up.... I think they can sense an intruder into their perceptive realms, because they are not used to human scrutiny quite like that, as humans usually don't look quite as carefully and closely.

 

[djfriendly]

Church, have you read the chapter "Places in the Mind" in TiHKAL? Ann Shulgin has some interesting things to say about encounters with others on psychedelics.

 

[Church]

^ No I dont think I have... I've never actually read the books PIHKAL or TIHKAL. Just the entries that have been HTML-ized.

I guess I will have to finally just buy the damn books. At first I thought they were only of interest to chemists, but I know by now that's not true. I'm just lazy and if I cant pick a book up off a shelf and take it to a cashier, I don't usually buy books.

 

[rm-rf]

hey nice to see ya post mashead!

LMFAO!! Did that really happen?

as per the ice cream truck thing, no i was just making up a funny example to blanket stereotype the nature of wacky real actual events that happen when ur tripping.

one time i was shrooming and went to a playground in this town (was never there before). while playing with all the swings and slides and stuff (was middle of night, not like i was tripping balls with all the kiddos), i found these giant plastic mushrooms. they were shaped just like cubes, except were polka dotted. some of the mushrooms you can ride, some u can jump on and they sink into the ground, some u just play on, some were just there for decoration.

i was all like, "omg you guys...this is just pure evidence that god provided us with these mushrooms intentionally for us to eat!" not the toy ones, but i mean i just kind of in the moment thought the playground mushrooms were a supernatural message supporting our psychedellic endeavors.

 

[DarthMom]

^ No I dont think I have... I've never actually read the books PIHKAL or TIHKAL. Just the entries that have been HTML-ized.

I guess I will have to finally just buy the damn books. At first I thought they were only of interest to chemists, but I know by now that's not true. I'm just lazy and if I cant pick a book up off a shelf and take it to a cashier, I don't usually buy books.

def pick em up. i have only read pikkal, but it was fantastic. i purchased only for the psychadelic encyclopedia, the story with it was a very pleasant surprise. anns accounts are really fun to read

i keep forgetting to purchase tikhal, i think i will go to amazon right now and order it.