Weed withdrawal questions

[passion4cannabis]

You can also google about it - there's probably a million posts about weed withdrawal. I get these hot and cold sweats all the time at random times too, i don't even crave weed or think about it much now. Also my friend who has smoked since he was 12 can't even go a day without it, he gets extremely grumpy and depressed.

And here's a short story, i smoked out of my bong pretty much every 10 min for a loong period and one day got into big trouble and got sent to jail. I seriously had panic attacks, EXTREME hot/cold flushes, thinking about weed 24/7 couldn't even focus on the TV in the cell cause i was like weed weed weed, i also did the smoking-out-of-bong-inhale-motion all the time too almost like a reflex. I felt EXTREEEEEMLY depressed too like suicidal and just borderline-retarded/anhedonia/no attention/trance-states/social skills = 0 etc. And thats MY experience i guess ;p

 

[Jibult]

This is a debate neither of you will win. You're arguing over experience, not fact. The fact is, some people claim to feel physical, tangible effects upon cessation of a heavy weed habit whereas other claim they experience no such thing. Occasionally the super-persuasive argument "But look at what this other guy who isn't me says! It confirms my experience and therefore my conclusions must be correct!" is thrown out there as "support."

While we may have rigid opinions and beliefs on the subject, I don't ever see anything factual being presented when this topic springs up. Evidence is nearly always anecdotal and completely open to interpretation, much like the postings in this thread.

 

[passion4cannabis]

This is a debate neither of you will win. You're arguing over experience, not fact. The fact is, some people claim to feel physical, tangible effects upon cessation of a heavy weed habit whereas other claim they experience no such thing. Occasionally the super-persuasive argument "But look at what this other guy who isn't me says! It confirms my experience and therefore my conclusions must be correct!" is thrown out there as "support."

While we may have rigid opinions and beliefs on the subject, I don't ever see anything factual being presented when this topic springs up. Evidence is nearly always anecdotal and completely open to interpretation, much like the postings in this thread.

Yep gotta agree, it's what yourself experience.

 

[Le'Mix]

heavy weed habit

Amen to that.

Use it wisely.

I just can't stomach withdrawal in the truest sense when it comes to Cannabis. I have already stated that one can become dependent on it, as in heavy habit, so it is like a 'crutch' . Think of it like been paralysed or needing a walking stick.
So there is a huge difference between dependency and genuine addiction leading to genuine withdrawals..

End of.

 

[passion4cannabis]

"As described earlier, drug addiction refers to a behavioral syndrome where the procurement and use of a drug seem to dominate the individual's motivation and where the normal constraints on the individual's behavior seem largely ineffective."

Would definetely call that addicted. (for me). I would skip important meetings that was kind-of "life-ruining" just to smoke weed instead. I'd spend all my money on weed, talk about weed 24/7 and so on.

 

[Le'Mix]

That as maybe. That as maybe.

But seriously, I'd bet my house on you been a tad naive.

When you see people in tears over a withdrawal, that is what you go with when using the word. It is almost disrespectful to the word, to associate Cannabis with it.

I know of people who right away upon smoking Ganja said " Fuck this, it makes me 'pazza' other than that I do not see how anyone can keep a straight face when talking of weed withdrawals.

But like you say m8, if it feels like it to you then fair enough, but I'd bet me bollocks on you changing your mind in time.

Not trying to get in anyones face here mind, but I would hope people would at least acknowledge my substance experience, I'm in me sodding 30's now !

If I had my time again I'd have never went past Ganja and doing MDMA a few times a month, with the odd trip just to keep things in perspective.

I guess it is good in a way though as if you do feel it is THAT addictive it ought to keep you away from the truly gnarly ones.

but you are right insofar as it is all relative to what you know yourself.

I'll try and educate others based on years of usage of numerous drugs(some of which I epically fucked up on) and years of seeing good m8's utterly crippled by the likes of Heroin and Crack. One time a m8 was so dope sick he could not even go and buy his gear. And the minute I got back to the car he had the foil out and was away, i did not mind, he was so dope sick it was great to see him pick up a bit.

These days he is happily married and does not touch the gear. He paid to learn, like most do with genuinely addictive substances.

 

[passion4cannabis]

That as maybe. That as maybe.

But seriously, I'd bet my house on you been a tad naive.

When you see people in tears over a withdrawal, that is what you go with when using the word. It is almost disrespectful to the word, to associate Cannabis with it.

I know of people who right away upon smoking Ganja said " Fuck this, it makes me 'pazza' other than that I do not see how anyone can keep a straight face when talking of weed withdrawals.

But like you say m8, if it feels like it to you then fair enough, but I'd bet me bollocks on you changing your mind in time.

Not trying to get in anyones face here mind, but I would hope people would at least acknowledge my substance experience, I'm in me sodding 30's now !

If I had my time again I'd have never went past Ganja and doing MDMA a few times a month, with the odd trip just to keep things in perspective.

I guess it is good in a way though as if you do feel it is THAT addictive it ought to keep you away from the truly gnarly ones.

but you are right insofar as it is all relative to what you know yourself.

I'll try and educate others based on years of usage of numerous drugs(some of which I epically fucked up on) and years of seeing good m8's utterly crippled by the likes of Heroin and Crack. One time a m8 was so dope sick he could not even go and buy his gear. And the minute I got back to the car he had the foil out and was away, i did not mind, he was so dope sick it was great to see him pick up a bit.

These days he is happily married and does not touch the gear. He paid to learn, like most do with genuinely addictive substances.

Yes ofcourse harder drugs have harder withdrawals - but yea i'll see in time! I hope i live till im 30 and i'll see what i think about it then! But like i said if you don't experience withdrawal that means your brain could of have a long-term change. For how many years have you smoked?

Also just look at my name! hahaha, and during my smoking periods i've always had a love/hate relationship with it, it's weird.

 

[Le'Mix]

Yes ofcourse harder drugs have harder withdrawals - but yea i'll see in time! I hope i live till im 30 and i'll see what i think about it then! But like i said if you don't experience withdrawal that means your brain could of have a long-term change. For how many years have you smoked?

Also just look at my name! hahaha, and during my smoking periods i've always had a love/hate relationship with it, it's weird.

m8 I have smoked Ganja for about 15 years, but here is the thing. One - I never toke more than 1g a night(I never toke during the day) and two - I grow my own and have the capacity to have the stuff 24/7. But I choose not to, to prove to myself that I am not dependent. And you know my views on weed withdrawals haha :D It never gets past potential dependence to me and most I know say the same.

Nice chatting anyway m8.

 

[passion4cannabis]

m8 I have smoked Ganja for about 15 years, but here is the thing. One I never toke more than 1g a night(I never toke during the day) and two, I gropw my own and have the capacity to have the stuff 24/7. I choose not to, to prove to myself that I am not dependent. And you know my views on weed withdrawals haha :D

Nice chatting anyway m8.

Yes nice debating with you! This can go back and forth forever haha i'm just happy for you that you don't need to experience any pesky withdrawal, have fun toking! But if i had toked for 15 years i don't think i would experience any withdrawal either, might be cause of massive amounts of THC stored up or long-term change. What happens if you don't smoke for a night? Btw 1 gram a night is pretty much for just a 'night'. And you grow your own and you've smoked for 15 years? That kind-of sounds like dependence. For me weed also clouds my mind very much, irrational thoughts etc. Maybe weed has a grip on you? Try not smoking for a week! Also to back up my "your-dependent" statement is from the guide below:

"Clinical observations show that the use of cannabis more often than about every six weeks
(elimination time of THC) for approximately two years, lead to changes in cognitive functioning.
These changes create a new state of consciousness which can be described as a "cannabis state
dependant" effect.
This effect may result from the release of stored THC."

Oh and i always cry alot when i'm "withdrawing", i get very sensitive to everything.
And could you take a look at this link and see if you find anything that you feel is similar? http://droginfo.com/pdf/guideuk.pdf

And some more linkage; a documentary of weed addiction: http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/marijuana-second-class-addiction/
One guy who smoked for 28 years said it took him 28 years to see what damage weed has done him and how addicted he was.

 

[Le'Mix]

Yes nice debating with you! This can go back and forth forever haha i'm just happy for you that you don't need to experience any pesky withdrawal, have fun toking! But if i had toked for 15 years i don't think i would experience any withdrawal either, might be cause of massive amounts of THC stored up or long-term change. What happens if you don't smoke for a night? Btw 1 gram a night is pretty much for just a 'night'. And you grow your own and you've smoked for 15 years? That kind-of sounds like dependence. For me weed also clouds my mind very much, irrational thoughts etc. Maybe weed has a grip on you? Try not smoking for a week! Also to back up my "your-dependent" statement is from the guide below:

"Clinical observations show that the use of cannabis more often than about every six weeks
(elimination time of THC) for approximately two years, lead to changes in cognitive functioning.
These changes create a new state of consciousness which can be described as a "cannabis state
dependant" effect.
This effect may result from the release of stored THC."

Oh and i always cry alot when i'm "withdrawing", i get very sensitive to everything.
And could you take a look at this link and see if you find anything that you feel is similar? http://droginfo.com/pdf/guideuk.pdf

And some more linkage; a documentary of weed addiction: http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/marijuana-second-class-addiction/
One guy who smoked for 28 years said it took him 28 years to see what damage weed has done him and how addicted he was.

It's as simple as this. I have only grown my own for around 8/9 years or so, basically a few years after getting my own place. And as I say, I have the capacity to have the stuff 24/7. You seem to be missing my message. It goes a little like this...Smoke it most the time but in moderation and ALWAYS have a gap even if you have the capacity not to. It's bloody nice when you do so anyway as it makes it all the nicer when it returns(absence makes the heart grow fonder after all). I'd utterly disagree that I am dependent, if that was the case I'd be growing double what I do now and would always be in possession of it. I'm about 2 weeks off of my next chop, and t'is about 2 weeks since I last toked.

I'm completely relaxed about this. :wink: Got some 'secksay' buds up there in the grow room and it'll be nice when it returns but it would - and is somewhat dulled as a high - if it was there constantly.

Never withdrawn from weed myself. It's at the max like missing warm weather., but 'Summer' always returns, even in grey old England lmao.

 

[passion4cannabis]

It's as simple as thus. I have only grown my own for around 8 years or so. And as I say, I have the capacity to have the stuff 24/7. You seem to b e missing my message. Smoke it most the time but in moderation and ALWAYS have a gap. It's bloody nice when you do so as it makes it all the nicer when it returns. I'd utterly disagree that I am dependent, if that was the case I'd be growing double what I do now.

Denial is an extremely big factor in weed addiction. Just smoking once a day can lead to an addiction. What happens if you don't smoke for a month? Have you tried it in 15 years? Also you say "only" 8 years?

 

[passion4cannabis]

Also please do this test; http://www.thccalc.com/online-thc-calculator.html
Thc stored in your body produces a chronic effect. Let's see how long your chronic effect is. Truth is your mind could be clouded from the addiction all the way until the THC is depleted. You should try staying sober for a while, you could maybe feel even better than the weed high sober.

 

[Le'Mix]

I give up. lol.

Yes man me dependent, me now boo-hoo, I got none, I'm off to hang myself.

 

[passion4cannabis]

I give up. lol.

Yes man me dependent, me now boo-hoo, I got none, I'm off to hang myself.

How many days was it? I'm not hating on you at all man please don't take offence - just trying to prove that addiction is Real.

 

[Elven Warriorr]

Also please do this test; http://www.thccalc.com/online-thc-calculator.html
Thc stored in your body produces a chronic effect. Let's see how long your chronic effect is. Truth is your mind could be clouded from the addiction all the way until the THC is depleted. You should try staying sober for a while, you could maybe feel even better than the weed high sober.

That's a myth.

THC stays in the body for a few hours, and after it's metabolized by the liver, the fat-soluble metabolites stay in the body for long periods of time, not the THC.

http://stash.norml.org/alcohol-is-safer-than-marijuana-says-foundation-for-a-drug-free-world

Alcohol is eliminated from the body by the liver, which over time with drinking can no longer do the task, one gets cirrhosis, and one dies. Meanwhile, THC is actually metabolized by the body within hours, and the remaining inactive metabolites, THC-COOH and glucuronide, are neither impairing nor carcinogenic.

 

[passion4cannabis]

That's a myth.

THC stays in the body for a few hours, and after it's metabolized by the liver, the fat-soluble metabolites stay in the body for long periods of time, not the THC.

http://stash.norml.org/alcohol-is-safer-than-marijuana-says-foundation-for-a-drug-free-world

Hmm.. then why do i feel 500% more slow after smoking? People even say i talk in slow-mo haha. I don't know what's the reason for this is then? ( http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_effects.shtml )

"WITHDRAWAL SYMPTOMS (after stopping heavy use)
mild to moderate, non-life-threatening withdrawal symptoms occur after daily use in some users.
Withdrawal symptoms normally last 2-4 days, up to six weeks with long term use. Severity of symptoms is related to frequency and duration of use and individual sensitivity.
anhedonia (reduced experience of pleasure)
headaches, general unease/discomfort
difficulty sleeping
desire to smoke cannabis
slight loss of appetite
finding non-stoned life a bit dull, increased boredom
fatigue, lethargy
slow thinking, talking
stoned-like abstract thinking, impatience with or annoyance at linear thinking"

And that link looks biased as hell. it doesn't even show on the study that there are no chronic effects.

Would love some more input from people, even if you toke heavily can you honestly say you're addicted or do you deny it? WHY do you smoke? WHY do you smoke EVERY night, WHY WHY WHY?! If it 'dulls' ur high then why do you even smoke? This is mindboggling. I was smoking more than ANYONE i knew and i still thought to myself that i'm addicted and i kept on smoking even if i wanted to stop.

 

[Jibult]

Hmm.. then why do i feel 500% more slow after smoking? People even say i talk in slow-mo haha. I don't know what's the reason for this is then? ( http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_effects.shtml )

You know how people sometimes get stupid drunk one night, then wake up the next morning with a hangover? Do you think that's because the alcohol is still in their body or because the alcohol caused a reaction (even a chain reaction) throughout your body, leading to the symptoms most people lump together under the umbrella term 'hangover?' Granted, it's possible to still wake up drunk, but the hangover won't hit until the alcohol's been nearly completely expunged from your system.

Drugs do things to your body. Introducing a foreign substance alters your body chemistry (however slightly, things temporarily change). You may still need time to recover long after a psychoactive substance has metabolized and/or left your body completely.

Would love some more input from people, even if you toke heavily can you honestly say you're addicted or do you deny it? WHY do you smoke? WHY do you smoke EVERY night, WHY WHY WHY?! If it 'dulls' ur high then why do you even smoke? This is mindboggling. I was smoking more than ANYONE i knew and i still thought to myself that i'm addicted and i kept on smoking even if i wanted to stop.

Many don't understand the difference between addiction and dependence. I've been beating a dead horse to bits for years now trying to explain how a person can become addicted to weed yet not develop a dependency on the herb, but this horse has taken such a beating that I may have to shoot another just to keep the war drum going.

Also, addiction is taboo. Weed smokers are fighting to make users 'not-taboo,' and anything that doesn't fit into a nice, cozy, positive outlook on the drug must be lies-- that's how it seems many smokers view this subject.

 

[dipitch]

Yes, different withdrawals with different drugs. The thing is, I even got withdrawal symptoms off coffee, even if it only were slight headaches.

Without weed I experienced: headaches, being tired ( both were probably due to intense dreaming), anxiety, severe moodswings, not able to form longer sentences, searching for words, no concentration

The less I distracted myself the harsher it was, so go outside with friends.

The bad feelings got significantly better after 2 weeks ( were I started dreaming more normal).

 

[Le'Mix]

Also please do this test; http://www.thccalc.com/online-thc-calculator.html
Thc stored in your body produces a chronic effect. Let's see how long your chronic effect is. Truth is your mind could be clouded from the addiction all the way until the THC is depleted. You should try staying sober for a while, you could maybe feel even better than the weed high sober.

Well I have went as long as 6 months without any, in that instance as I had just ended a relationship and she was going all bunny boiler on me and knew I grew a bit of herb, so I was expecting a ' rusty dagger in the back' so to speak, so I packed all me equipment up and stopped everything for 6 months.

Typically there is usually at least 3 weeks often 4 in between what are just small harvests.

So I'm kinda 2 months of daily Cannabis use, then 1 month off.

I find this system very enjoyable.

 

[Jibult]

Typically there is usually at least 3 weeks often 4 in between what are just small harvests.

So I'm kinda 2 months of daily Cannabis use, then 1 month off.

I find this system very enjoyable.

Sounds like a damn good one to me.