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Weed has gotten several times stronger over the past 50 years. What are your thoughts?

Way back good Hashish had high percentage, along CBD.
Back then no one had a troublie with it, Our Weed got strong.

But the genetics took out the CBD, makes you wonder.
Another scare crow created, lets talk high proof Liquor.
 
Way back good Hashish had high percentage, along CBD.
Back then no one had a troublie with it, Our Weed got strong.

But the genetics took out the CBD, makes you wonder.
Another scare crow created, lets talk high proof Liquor.

Whether it has CBD or not depends on what strain of weed they use for making the hash. Most hash is made from Indicas or hybrids that are on the Indica side so thats why hash tended to be more sedating then most weed years ago. Well that and hash had more THC and CBD then weed with typically 30 to 40% THC.

There is a brand of hash here at some stores called ol skipper hash that's old school black hash. It had CBD in it and was very sedating. I smoked to much of it with my morphine one time and was nodding off in my supper lol. When i say black hash i dont mean butane made hash as your not allowed to sell anything like that here. This is old school solventless type hash. It was probably the best hash ive had

Years ago the only hash you could get here was that dirty butane made hash. For some reason noone thought to make the much better blonde hash out of the kief on there weed no instead they went through the trouble of making butane hash for what was in the end a lesser product. Maybe you got more hash that way i dont know. But blonde hash was very rare back when i was buying it in the early 2000's and the 90's. I never even heard of anyone making it themselves as hardly anyone even had grinders here years ago lol.
 
Whether it has CBD or not depends on what strain of weed they use for making the hash. Most hash is made from Indicas or hybrids that are on the Indica side so thats why hash tended to be more sedating then most weed years ago. Well that and hash had more THC and CBD then weed with typically 30 to 40% THC.

There is a brand of hash here at some stores called ol skipper hash that's old school black hash. It had CBD in it and was very sedating. I smoked to much of it with my morphine one time and was nodding off in my supper lol. When i say black hash i dont mean butane made hash as your not allowed to sell anything like that here. This is old school solventless type hash. It was probably the best hash ive had

Years ago the only hash you could get here was that dirty butane made hash. For some reason noone thought to make the much better blonde hash out of the kief on there weed no instead they went through the trouble of making butane hash for what was in the end a lesser product. Maybe you got more hash that way i dont know. But blonde hash was very rare back when i was buying it in the early 2000's and the 90's. I never even heard of anyone making it themselves as hardly anyone even had grinders here years ago lol.
'King Hassan' Morroca ĺegalized it' 50/ 50 THC/ CBD, still regret not buying.
ATT it was not official legal there, but tolerated. Wonder bout the % both in it.

this was probably HQ i missed. Wakey, wakey emkee. Good morn too u too.

The Berbers, never got in Genetic modification.
Even not by human cross pollination, they just let em be.
A Dutch-man did introduce Dutch seed s, as trade for seeds of their pure land-race.
But there are still pure plants over there !
 
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Here seems like a good place to share these examples of genuine pure sativas.

One of the key reasons older varieties were stronger is their richer terpene profiles and moderate THC content of ~10-20%.
Higher THC levels tend to cause mental fog or other issues that undermine the overall experience.

These are all from ACE seeds. Here's an interview of Dubi who runs ACE seeds R&D, good stuff!

Pure sativa, only 18.5% THC
This complex super-sativa is the zenith in our refinement of sativa hybrids. Its legendary lineage perfectly sums up our 20 years of fine breeding work with some of the best tropical sativas on the planet: Malawi and Zamal from the African continent, Panama from Central America, and Thai from South East Asia, combining in this complex sativa variety in an exquisitely balanced and perfectly symphonic way.
THC: 18.49 %
CBD: 0.03-0.04 %
CBG: 1.47-2.55 %
Effects: The first phenotype provides at least 3 hours of guaranteed long-lasting energy and motivation, with a clean finish and hardly any degradation. Strong initial energetic and motivating effect of premium quality, with a very cerebral and clean, expansive head high that clears and intensifies perception and senses. Really powerful: it's hard to finish the joint, and after half an hour you're almost climbing the walls, with intense whirlwinds of thoughts and strong physical agitation. An hour later it starts to calm down and becomes psychologically friendlier, warmer and more playful, but still with a lot of drive. Very suitable for daytime use, for work and activities. In contrast, the psychoactivity of the second phenotype is extremely balanced, elegant, pleasant. Clean, centred and focused, warm and positive, creative and motivating as well as relaxing. It provides mental clarity, a sense of well-being and physical lightness (like levitating on cotton wool), expanding and intensifying the senses, with a distinctive healing effect that runs through body, mind and soul.

Terpene profile: high terpinolene content, moderate amounts of alpha & beta pinene, myrcene, ocimene, limonene, linalool, traces of delta 3 carene & alpha terpinene.
Sesquiterpenes: moderate content in beta caryophyllene humulene, and alpha bisabolol, guaiol and trans nerolidol in small amounts.

Bouquet: Delicious, intoxicating and refined aromas: fruit bubblegum (strawberry, passion fruit, mango, ripe orange and sweet lemon), with flower petals, perfume, musk, liqueur, incense, hashish, lavender, lime blossom, jasmine, and hot-spicy touches... all beautifully balanced and in perfect harmony. Elegant and fine smoke on the palate, markedly lemony, fresh, floral, clean and expansive in the compact plants. More complex, creamy, sweet and fruity in the tall plants. In both cases with cream, banana and sweet-spicy touches.

Pure sativa, only 12% THC
This mythical sativa, which has been the starting point for the development of the best hybrids of the past decades, was about to disappear during the 1980s due to the introduction of skunks and indicas in the breeding scene.
Oldtimer’s Haze population has been preserved intact until today by Oldtimer, a british breeder, and then reproduced by our breeders using a wide variety of parental plants.
This pure Haze still preserves the genetic diversity that many present Haze lines have already lost, and it is possible to find phenotypes ranging from the mythic and nearly extinct Purple Haze to the most common Green Haze phenotype, and of course intermediate combinations as well.
THC: 8-12%
CBD: below 0.05%
CBG: 0.16 – 0.23%
Genetics: Stabilized hybrid of different tropical sativas from the 60s and 70s, mainly old Colombian sativas.

High: Stimulating, mental effect. High THC/ low CBD ratio that produces an unlimited effect without ceiling. The green phenotypes produce a more sociable and euphoric effect, while the Purple Haze phenos tend to be more introspective.

Terpene profile: It mainly contains the following monoterpenes: high amounts of beta myrcene (2/3 parts), moderate amounts of trans ocimene and alpha pinene, and variability in the presence of small amounts of beta pinene. Sesquiterpenes: two thirds of beta-caryophyllene and one-third of alpha-humelene in the green phenotype (Green Haze), although the purple phenotype (Purple Haze) shows absence of sesquiterpenes.

Bouquet: Ancient and metallic 'old school' sativa: wood, spice and incense, with ripe tropical fruits in the green expressions, and berries and black liquor in the Purple Haze phenotypes.

Pure sativa, only 5% THC
Traditional hash plant from the Rif area near to Ketama and Chefchaouen, famous for producing kif (the traditional blend of cannabis flowers with tobacco) and the famous Moroccan blond hash.
This pure Moroccan strain is one of the fastest psychoactive sativa landraces on the planet, due to its semi autoflowering traits and its very short flowering time.

THC: 2.5-5 %
CBD: 0-2 %
CBG: 0-0.16 %
Genetics: 2nd generation Moroccan pure sativa.

High: Light potency. Cerebral and physically sensual start, which increases and distorts perceptions. Its development increases introspection and inner life, finishing with a pleasant relaxation and sedation, causing the classic “wasted” face and red eyes produced by good Moroccan hashish.

Terpene profile: It mainly contains the following monoterpenes: high amounts of alpha pinene and beta myrcene, followed by beta pinene in smaller quantities. Sesquiterpenes: mainly beta-caryophyllene (2/3 parts) and smaller amounts of alpha-humulene (1/3).

Bouquet: Woody, earthy, spicy and herbal, with 'golden' and honeyed touches, reminiscent of classic Moroccan blond hash.
 
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The terpene argument... I would as the same questions I did of THC-V -- Terpenes however we do know the rough %'s of (at least a range) and hopefully someone looked at potency and effects in a double blind.

If they haven't it is "high time" too. (so dumb)

I challenge the premise higher THC levels create brain fog and diminish the overall experience. THC is still the main active ingredient and the gold standard for "Weed quality".

I remember once I had a friend who worked at a pot farm who makes all kinds of butane hash "Would you rather have terps or THC" -- THC of course but Ideally a mix?

Has anyone smoked terpenes without THC to check the effects. ( I guess that would be the double blind I speak of and hope exists )
 
It's likely gone up by an order of magnitide in terms of THC content.

Has anyone else seen that BBC science programme where someone was first given a mixture of THC and CBD and the next day just the THC?

Two UTTTERLY different experiences, I quit because I do not like THC without CBD,
 
Here seems like a good place to share these examples of genuine pure sativas.

One of the key reasons older varieties were stronger is their richer terpene profiles and moderate THC content of ~10-20%.
Higher THC levels tend to cause mental fog or other issues that undermine the overall experience.

These are all from ACE seeds. Here's an interview of Dubi who runs ACE seeds R&D, good stuff!

Pure sativa, only 18.5% THC



Pure sativa, only 12% THC



Pure sativa, only 5% THC

Funny that they mention Malawi cause i would rank that as one of the stronger sativas for sure. But that could be because of the THCV that African sativa landraces have
 
It's likely gone up by an order of magnitide in terms of THC content.

Has anyone else seen that BBC science programme where someone was first given a mixture of THC and CBD and the next day just the THC?

Two UTTTERLY different experiences, I quit because I do not like THC without CBD,

I did not but I would be VERY interested to if you have a link or name of the show so I can try and YouTube it or w/e --- Been wating for such a thing for a minute now.

Now they just need to do terps and thc-v (and a whole bunch more)
 


Voila

I helped out at Lifeline Communications in Manchester for a couple of decades and the drug MOST associated with psychotic mental health issues wasn't coke, wasn't meth wasn't speed, wasn't mephadeone and wasn't MDMA. On a per user basis it was Skunk and then spice.

For a decade we KNEW but lacked the resources to PROVE. Dr. Nuke (saldy diid earlier this year) wrote a booklet on it. Michael did all the art and bless him, they sent ME a copy to check it was technically correct. It WAS, Russell was not only a qualified MD but also had further eduction in the field of drug misuse... but apparently they thought I knew more, I highly doubt it, but was glad to be asked,


BTW Obviously the client's name has been changed but the above happened, In fact many similar cases turned up and we got a 'ringside seat' and let me tell you, it WAS a circus - but real lives being destroyed,
 
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I'm guessing not. Cannabis I hear was much lower then . In I am Ozzy ,by Ozzy Osbourne, Ozzy wrote, unless he spoke and it was translated, he used to get afgan hash, which according to AI is ten to sixty percent THC, in the 1970s and 1980's

There's a story about a minister who ate some coconut cake that had afgan hash in it. Thelma, gave the speaker some , and did not know it had afgan in a it. He passed out . Ozzy drive him home, in his car, carried him in the house.

The minister saw him at a pub, having a drink. He told Ozzy that he hallucinated and was convinced of at least one grand delusion. Cool book so far
 
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First time I ate red afghan hash was at the
Never Say Die tour

the ushers kept telling us we were kicked out if we kept trying to smoke it, so we broke the 5 grams up and washed it down with beer suds

I dont even remember how we got the 45 miles west back home

I couldnt even move outta the recliner until Monday morning

the scariest part was it wasnt even decarbed
 
Isn't a lot of the data about pot being so much stronger from govt agencies who are warning about "increased danger from modern high test cannabis" (and have a vested interest in saying that)?

I really want to know how these samples they have tested have been obtained. Some studies at least have used what the DEA has seized (and the DEA is much more likely to seize big shipments of schwag). I could see the huge amount of commercial Columbian (and commercial Mexican) on the streets in the 70's skewing results quite a bit. Time to maybe step back and examine where the data about pot being stronger now than in the 70's comes from. Seems it's a few govt studies and people that weren't there.

That said, as I've said, pot was weaker on average back then for sure. You didn't have the super strong stuff and there was a lot of disco pot around.

https://www.bath.ac.uk/announcement...nked-to-addiction-and-mental-health-problems/

I think that everyone is right about whether it's CBD and other cannabinoids or terpenes which make a difference in highs. It's probably both.

Interesting that some are saying the moderate THC levels are a factor as well. The chick from "senior savvy cannabis" says as much As a guess, I'd think that would be true when you mean very stimulating and "up" sativa. However, there was sativa like Hawaiian which was psychedelic as hell more than "up" and maybe that's where a higher THC level might take you.
 
The thing is noone was sending there high grade pot in for THC content analysis at that time because pot was illegal -- and ppl smart enough to grow in the best ways aren't going to expose themselves for (at the time) bragging rights.

So strains like my pa's blueberry whiterhino hybrid -- who knows. I remember it as the best pot I've ever smoked but largely for nostalgia and pride. When that got busted --- Just another HS'er asking around so mostly brick.

It may be hard to say that the THC level has definitely got several times stronger -- especially the way labs are pressured to exaggerate #'s if they want return business (someone else will exaggerate if they don't)...... But 23% was the top # through the 00's (any citation challenge to this?)

What we can say is "The average marijuana taken off the street was x% and is xx% now" --- which doesn't speak to the highest quality but the average. (Considering the cannabis cup and all that I think people were sending in samples -- just not from the US (or UK probably) and lets say 23% was the honest # as there was no reason to exaggerate than --- that could be equivalent to 33% today which is basically unheard of still.

Than you got things like CBD, THCV, Terpenes -- and if I'm correct a whole bunch of other active alkaloids I am forgetting.

Bottom line is MORE STUDIES ARE REQUIRED as obviously there are some split opinions with this.....

For me (and I may make a whole trip report to this effect) when marijuana became legal -- I quit doing other drugs as I quit talking to the blackmarket ppl who would have "Pot coke acid and MDMA" or w/e -- the pot sucked and he acid was fair priced I may go that way -- which is fine -- but since that open menu hasn't been there (and the pot is always good) I haven't been using any illegal drugs. (Believe me or don't) More out of laziness --- but there is also a certain amount of respect --- you gave me an inch I won't try and take a mile. (Before they gave the inch It was take a inch may as well take a mile)
 
Isn't a lot of the data about pot being so much stronger from govt agencies who are warning about "increased danger from modern high test cannabis" (and have a vested interest in saying that)?

Maybe they were comparing Moroccan hash @ 2.5-5% THC to more recent 25-30% THC plants (though THC testing at 30%+ is questionable).

2.5% THC to 30% THC is a x12 increase in "strength"

Traditional hash plant from the Rif area near to Ketama and Chefchaouen, famous for producing the famous Moroccan blond hash.
THC: 2.5-5%
CBD: 0-2 %
CBG: 0-0.16 %
Genetics: 2nd generation Moroccan pure sativa
 
I've visited the Rif mountains and in fact they proce three 'pressings', the first being the blond which when fresh is all bendy and easy to crumble.

It was perfect. One joint and you could still safely explore the place. Two, better sit down. Three - go to sleep.

BUT that CBD performs a very important function. It acts as a competitive antagonist so in fact the buzz feels stronger than the THC content might suggest, but it makes one hungry and gigly. Not nailed to the floor or having a whitey in the bathcrrom.

RELIABLE is was it offered - the same every time.
 
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CBD potentially acts as an adenosine reuptake inhibitor too. Earlier I came across ataras thread on it being a partial agonist at D2High

With CBG potentially reaching the same 0.2 % as CBD, it would contribute it's own unique MOA. It's sedating in higher doses... Theres some alpha-2 adrenergic agonism, CB1 and 5-HT1A stuff going on, probably more.
 
sedating is important! CBG needs more attention
Maybe they were comparing Moroccan hash @ 2.5-5% THC to more recent 25-30% THC plants (though THC testing at 30%+ is questionable).

2.5% THC to 30% THC is a x12 increase in "strength"

Traditional hash plant from the Rif area near to Ketama and Chefchaouen, famous for producing the famous Moroccan blond hash.
THC: 2.5-5%
CBD: 0-2 %
CBG: 0-0.16 %
Genetics: 2nd generation Moroccan pure sativa

I think they are generally comparing mexi-brick (Mostly what was sold) to what people are getting from the dispensary (Mostly what is sold)

I remember KNOWING the average THC % was between 1-6 (possibly the same data) ---- Of course outliers like the hydro you may have been growing existed and were likely somewhere in the 10-15% range ( I have nothing to confirm this just memory of strength )

But to really maximize a room it needing to be concealed and smell proofed really limited how much you could do quality wise. (Amsterdam existed than maybe some data there?) Check they average out from that time for a rough idea of what some of the best pot had THC wise -- certainly each yrs cannabis cup winner probably got measured?

That is still just THC though --- a chemist or something is going to have to isolate the other ones (IDK lol)
 


Voila

I helped out at Lifeline Communications in Manchester for a couple of decaded and the drug MOST associated with psychotic mental health issues wasn't coke, wasn't meth wasn't speed, wasn't mephadeone and wasn't MDMA. On a per user basis it was Skunk and then spice.


Do you think that has to do with frequency of use? (Ppl being doing meth and coke everyday and meth is usually a psychotic break in with a week IME) --- per user basis so its not just "More ppl smoke pot so that is most likely to surface underlying issues"

Interesting. Either I am very stable or have completely lost it a long time ago. (Opinions not solicited) lol

Sooo by transferative property I should probably just grab a zip of blow and lay off of pot and call it a mental health break -- help me sell that one you guys haha
 
I think they are generally comparing mexi-brick (Mostly what was sold) to what people are getting from the dispensary (Mostly what is sold)

In the 80s I tried what I presume was Mexican and that was OK. It was stick,seed, leaf and bud in a little zip-lock bag anyway. It was free from our friendly local veteran-operated taxi company. A great bunch of lads. Our favourite was as gay as a daffodil but he told us what really happened in Vietnam and was all round an ace guy. We would rather wait an hour to get his cab that to get another driver. Carl - never knew his last name. But he just went to 'Strawberry Lake' near Austin and voila - a gift.
 
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