Weak MDMA, or just my inexperience?

[Prezza]

Okay, need some opinions here!

On Thursday night, me and a friend took some MDMA that I recently bought from a seller with a great reputation. But I was disappointed with the results.

A little background to my experience:

I had only taken MDMA once before, at a festival back in July. My friend was trying it for the first time; so no tolerance issues for either of us.
I'm not certain how much I took at the festival (could have been anywhere from 300-500mg), and I'm not certain how strong the product was (I figured very weak based on it taking that many milligrams for me to feel the way I felt, and based on more experienced users' dosage recommendations that I researched after the festival), but basically, I felt like I was on another level. Absolute inner-peace, confidence, talkativeness, zero negative thoughts, body buzzing... and also eye wiggles, misseeing some things (thinking strangers were people I know, until I double/triple checked and looked at their face again), foggy memory of the roll. But none of those slightly negative aspects mattered because the positives were SIMPLY INCREDIBLE. I just had an amazing time.

Since then, I've been doing lots of research, learning about dosages etc. After hearing lots of people state roughly 120-125mg as being the "sweet spot"... I concluded that the molly I had at the festival must've been weak.

So the other night, me and my friend had 150mg + 50mg booster (1 hour after the first bomb) of the molly I bought from the seemingly reliable source.

I could feel it, yeah, but it was NO WAY close to being anywhere near the buzz that I felt earlier in the year, and I know my friend wasn't at that level either (he was enjoying himself, but if he had experienced what I felt at that festival, he would've been MIND BLOWN like I was, and wouldn't have stopped talking about it).
I didn't feel much different than if I'd had a few pints of alcohol. I still had negative thoughts (i.e. "This is a shame... Kinda ruined the night... I was expecting so much more ")... and had to *try* and enjoy myself more, rather than being transported to another world of pure bliss and ecstasy, where you can't do anything else other than have another one of the greatest nights of your life. No eye wiggles. No misseeing things. No extra sweating. Perfect memory of the whole night.

So from this, I can think of two conclusions. Which do you think is the case?

1) The product I was sold is indeed perfectly fine, and I did in fact have *a lot* of MDMA at the festival earlier in the year, and hence didn't reach that same level on only 200mg.
--- Most people who are already happy and confident in their day to day lives usually only need a small amount to make them feel one step better (hence 125mg "sweet spot") - whereas I am shy and have plenty of 'low' days in my normal life, and therefore desire to be totally transported to a whole new world of pure bliss and ecstasy by taking more MDMA than most other people take/recommend.

2) The product I was sold is weak. 200mg should have *easily* transported me and my friend to that same level that I described from earlier in the year.

I am 5ft 10inches, 140 pounds. My friend is a little over 6ft, probably 160 pounds.

I'm just a bit confused about this situation and need some input from more experienced MDMA users. After doing all this research, I started getting annoyed with "that guy" who says "I always take 300mg+ at a time! I don't feel it otherwise" - and everybody else would say "I would seriously recommend lowering the amount you take. Either your product is weak, or you are doing some real damage to yourself. I would be wrecked if I had more than 250mg!".
Is my product weak, or am I actually one of "those guys"?? ...I'd rather just get drunk than what I felt from 200mg of my product, it really wasn't that special! :/ ...Especially for something that could get me in serious trouble just for carrying in my pocket.

So if you've read all of that, thank you. Would be so kind as to give me your opinion on this situation?

 

[4evrLkn]

Could be product was a little sub-par. But for the most part mdma is mdma, as long as it tests as such. Maybe you should make sure it was actually pure mdma and not some sort of analogue.

Also 125-150 mg's should be plenty as long as the product is pure. And as far as people that are happy on a regular basis, as to having a lot of bad days shouldn't make a difference. Mdma works of serotonin mostly in the brain, so once is takes hold it just makes you happy pretty much no matter what.

My advice would be get a test kit, test the product to make sure it is pure mdma and if it is then anything between 125-200 mg's should be more than enough to get you going.
In my opinion it was probably either cut down heavily, or a different chemical all together, but you'll never know till you test it.

 

[Prezza]

It just seems hard to believe I was the one and only person to receive poor quality product though; he has really great feedback from reliable sources.

That's the way I felt the first time - "Once it takes hold it just makes you happy pretty much no matter what". The second time though, I still had disappointment inside of me which I knew wouldn't have been physically possible if I had reached the same level that I did the first time.

Also, the first time I took it, during the come up, I did heave 3 times as it came over me. I didn't feel nauseous at all, and no vomit even came close to coming up, but it was a clear "signal" that the MDMA was "in action". This 2nd time though, the small amount that I did feel just came on gradually, and it was hard to tell whether the come up was still happening, or if I was supposed to be at the peak. There was no signal, no moment that made me think "Woah, Okay... NOW it's working!".

I guess it's all just experience really. I will try the same dosage but with different product from other seemingly reliable sources, and if I still don't reach "that level"... then I guess I have a choice to make:

1) Accept that I'm not truly, utterly wow'ed by "standard" doses of MDMA, and accept it for what it is and/or try other drugs.
2) Accept that I'm increasing the risk of causing damage to my brain as a price to pay for taking higher dosages in order to reach "that level" that I seriously enjoy.

 

[4evrLkn]

I would wait maybe at least a month in between rolls, preferably 3 months is ideal. But since you waited 4 months tolerance shouldn't be an issue. I might if I were you start out a little higher dose next time. Maybe 175mg's. I would try not to re-dose though. The only reason I say this is because you have taken a high amount already and took it pretty well.

I actually throw up about every other roll on the come up. And usually as soon as I do, that's when I'm going good. I'm not really sure what it is about the chemical that makes me do that, but it does happen. Also set and setting have ALOT to do with the effects I have found. For me if I'm out at a club or show I don't seem to roll as hard, where as when I'm in a quieter setting with my wife or a few buddies I can really get into it and feel awesome! So that might have something to do with it also.

Also check out some of the roll tricks thread. Such as using Vic's inhaler's/ glow sticks/ massages, etc.... That can really bring up the feeling ALOT!!!!!

 

[augustaB]

It just seems hard to believe I was the one and only person to receive poor quality product though; he has really great feedback from reliable sources.

People talk such rubbish.
I used to sell spliffs to inexperienced kids. Often there was no active ingredients in these things. Even so they would keep coming back.

 

[Prezza]

People talk such rubbish.
I used to sell spliffs to inexperienced kids. Often there was no active ingredients in these things. Even so they would keep coming back.

I actually got it via Silk Road, which I'm sure you've heard about by now. The reason why I say it seems highly unlikely that the product was of poor quality is because of the feedback system on there. The seller I got it from has impeccable feedback/ratings from hundreds of transactions over the last few months.

I guess I won't genuinely know what the issue is until I've had more experience, with different batches, different dosages, different settings etc.

 

[Clocktower]

Were you at a festival both times, or just your first time? Set and setting play a big role with MDMA.

Try taking your 200 mg all at once, without redosing, that should give you a better time. Drugs affect everyone in different ways, so it's possible your body needs a little more to get going... but ~400 mg is A LOT to take in one night. If you need more than 200 to get you going, your MDMA is probably cut, if you need more than 250 then it's probably really cut. Keep long gaps between rolls (a few months), and work your way up incrementally until you find your own sweet spot, which will probably be under 250 mg.

 

[Prezza]

I was at a dance festival the first time, and a rave (well... a Skrillex show) the other night. Once I got back from the show, in the hotel, me and my friend had a really good chat though. It was a nice amount of MDMA to let us open up etc. - and if we'd both been at that "next level" like I was my first time, I don't think we'd have had that nice chat (more likely buzzing and jumping off the walls) - but for being at a rave, it just wasn't stimulating or euphoric enough for my liking.

Me and my friend didn't have any kind of tough come down or anything either. Just felt completely normal the next day, albeit a bit tired.

I've still got 600mg left of this batch, so I've got enough to try different methods like taking 200mg at once etc. - or to maybe give to a more experienced user for them to try and see what their assessment of it is.

I'll probably get a test kit or something too, or maybe try an acetone wash (would that work? - to dissolve anything that isn't MDMA and see how much the weight changes) if I can be bothered to get all the things I'd need for it.

EDIT: Although, would a test kit only tell me if some MDMA is detected? Rather than telling me how "strong" or pure it is...

 

[futura2012]

I'll probably get a test kit or something too, or maybe try an acetone wash (would that work? - to dissolve anything that isn't MDMA and see how much the weight changes) if I can be bothered to get all the things I'd need for it.

EDIT: Although, would a test kit only tell me if some MDMA is detected? Rather than telling me how "strong" or pure it is...

Yes the test kit only tells you MDMA is present it wont tell you the purity.

MDMA crystal can be hydrated (watered down) with a bit of chemistry knowledge so never always assume because its crystal and it tests positive for MDMA its totally pure.

If your source is good I might recommend you try a pill rather than MDMA crystal. A defqon, triforce, questionmark, speaker springs to mind.

For me personally I have always had more mellow and intimate experiences on MDMA crystal and more of a full on dance tastic experience on good pills. Might be just me but thats been my personal experience.

Argubly its the same thing but im not so sure pills ar different some how