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WD blues, anyone?

Has anyone actually read what she posted yet lol?

This is rather significant and I suggest some people seriously explore that thread she linked.
I know a lot about opiates, enough to know that there is good reason what she did will work for other people.
Just think about it, no longer do people have to wd from methadone for 2 weeks, or pods for 7-10 days, we can all rapid detox ourselves at home in 1-2 hours and go straight onto paws medicines.

I explained my perspective in her other thread. People are saying they don't think this will work but I suggest those that doubt actually go read about what rapid detox is. Its essentially the same thing except you wouldn't have the luxury of sleeping through it. I'm fine with that as long as I know it'll be over in a couple hours.

Seriously, this is rather fucking significant and if noones willing to try it out I will. The more and more I read about rapid detox the more and more reasons I see for this too work. Paws are a bitch but like I said in the other thread they are treatable, while physical wds are much harder to treat w/out an actual opiate.

This can mean that ANYONE with access to suboxone can rapid detox themselves from ANY opiate within a matter of hours. Just THINK about how significant this is to opiate addicts. No more tapering, no more cold turkeys, just 1-2 hours of pure raw terror and hell but the sacrifice is MORE THAN worth it. You get to wake up the following day, take your paws meds, and in only 24 hours feel 90% yourself again.

This could possibly be the most significant thread I've ever read on bluelight the entire time I've been here.
You can post about wd blues but I suggest you read why she bumped this thread.
 
Sounds interesting and a lot cheaper than the thousands they charge for a rapid detox but imo to dangerous. Surprised I havent heard somebody mention this before though. Still its not like when those w/d's end everything will be peachy. I have never had a rapid detox done but an old g/f did [Univ of Ill. UROD] in the mid 90's when it was pretty new and fucking expensive. When she got home from the hospital she was very worn out, they were giving her Naltrexone pills and MAYBE 10 mins out of the car she was begging for dope. She threw the pills in the swimming pool and went right back to dope.

I have never been a fan of ROD/UROD and I think it is a little gimmicky. Sure maybe if after you completed the HELL and were given a depot shot of naltrexone one might have a little better chances but that method sounds a little sadistic to me. You mine as well throw them in a jail cell and say, 'Suck it up'. Personally I think just going thru the w/d and the process of triggering recovery is the best bet. Sure even that doesnt work, that I know from first hand experience of trying to detox shit probably thousands of times. Its still nice that option is available but personally I think you are just putting your body thru extremities it doesn't have to go thru.

Nice topic though...

peace.
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Yeh but in terms of "dangerous" I'm not quite catching exactly what is dangerous here? Theres no real chance of dying I don't think it would just be an enormous amount of pain for a couple hours.
The reason I like this idea is because I simply can NOT cold turkey. It has nothing to do with the pain, but more that I have to work/be productive as I'm in wds.
Rapid detox makes me think that in 24 hours I can at least go to work and not be in a world of hurt. I'm completely fine with paws as I have a solid plan right now for that, but I'm honestly dredding doing another month long taper essentially so I can start my recovery process.
I've never experience pwd's however and I'm curious how painful it actually gets. Everyone seems to describe it in their own little way, but it often sounds like absolute hell... not "partial hell" like normal wds.

I guess you are right about putting your body through extremes it doesn't have to go through, but even with a cold turkey wd thats pretty extreme imo. Maybe even moreso since it can last for a week or 2. How "extreme" is a couple hours of hell really going to be?

Man idk I'm really talking myself into this but at the same time I'm scared as all fuck to purposefully do it. I don't see it as dangerous in any way, but I still see it as an experience that can possibly trigger some weird sort of aversion towards suboxone for life. And if it didn't work that can also trigger me to go back to using enormous doses... maybe it IS "dangerous" in that regard then.

I'm going to think about it but I'll def update if I'm going to try it. I still think at least 1 person either needs to disprove this myth or reinforce it with their own experience. I just hate the level of commitment it requires to get off opiates, at least doing it this way I don't exactly have to commit to physical wds for 2 weeks before I have to commit to an even longer bout of paws. A lot of times I think "if I could just start right at paws I might have enough strength to make it not being so traumatized by the 7-10 days of hell before it". Acute wds really break a persons mind down at a point where the need to be their strongest. Doing it this way would reserive some of the mind power imo which is what appeals to me the most.

Guess we'll see what happens.
 
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Hmm... I think that all tools should be utilized so that withdrawal and PAWS can be dealt with while experiencing the LEAST amount of pain as possible. The pain of cold turkey withdrawal and PAWS sort of reinforces me to want to use again. The whole time I am thinking about using, and nothing changes inside of me, and when I am ready I just start using again. Even after the PAWS have pretty much left me, and I am basically done with opiates, all that pain of withdrawal made me resentful and reinforced that I am going to want to use again.
 
/\ Thats odd so do you think if you had gotten off "painlessly", hypothetically speaking, that you wouldn't resent drugs and it would be easier to stay off them?
 
I'm almost 2 months clean and everyday feels like the worst day, emotionally.
Keep fighting, many who have done it before say after the long battle it is worth it in the end.
 
Bojangles69 said:
Has anyone actually read what she posted yet lol?

This is rather significant and I suggest some people seriously explore that thread she linked.
I know a lot about opiates, enough to know that there is good reason what she did will work for other people.
Just think about it, no longer do people have to wd from methadone for 2 weeks, or pods for 7-10 days, we can all rapid detox ourselves at home in 1-2 hours and go straight onto paws medicines.

I explained my perspective in her other thread. People are saying they don't think this will work but I suggest those that doubt actually go read about what rapid detox is. Its essentially the same thing except you wouldn't have the luxury of sleeping through it. I'm fine with that as long as I know it'll be over in a couple hours.

Seriously, this is rather fucking significant and if noones willing to try it out I will. The more and more I read about rapid detox the more and more reasons I see for this too work. Paws are a bitch but like I said in the other thread they are treatable, while physical wds are much harder to treat w/out an actual opiate.

This can mean that ANYONE with access to suboxone can rapid detox themselves from ANY opiate within a matter of hours. Just THINK about how significant this is to opiate addicts. No more tapering, no more cold turkeys, just 1-2 hours of pure raw terror and hell but the sacrifice is MORE THAN worth it. You get to wake up the following day, take your paws meds, and in only 24 hours feel 90% yourself again.

This could possibly be the most significant thread I've ever read on bluelight the entire time I've been here.
You can post about wd blues but I suggest you read why she bumped this thread.
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Sounds great in theory. Tried it before. Didn't work that well for me. The PW lasted hours on end, not just 2. Then the aftermath was I was still in withdrawal. There are no short cuts. The only cure is abstinence until the brain gets back to functioning normally. I've tried "at home" rapid detox with 3mgs of Naltrexone as a test dosage. Ended up in so much agony I took some suboxone since it has a stronger affininty to the receptores than Naltrexone and it rescued me thank God. I highly recommend not trying this but if you do and it works for you then congrats.

BTW what is PAWS meds? Crushing depression and anxiety? Nothing OTC helps that shit.

*edit* If I could afford it I would give anesthesia-assisted rapid detox a shot. I wish I had the $8000 dollars to do it. Other than that I can say I just went through 5 days of abstinenece and probably should of ride it out. Today would of been day 6. After days 7-10 its downhill. It's dealing with the lack of energy and motivation and things like going for a walk as bad as you want to just lay around helps a lot. But I'm a dumb ass dope fiend and used. I'm hoping the 5 day break will make the next round of withdrawals not as nad becuase I will only be using for 2-3 days until I am out again and am completley broke.
 
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The Hebrew Hammer said:
Im fucking dieing here man.

My fucking girlfriend of 2 years left me for a homeless guy she just met, i had to quit my job recently and move back in with my parents due to a depression ive been in for months now, I told my psy-doc that I was detoxing this weekend and she told my parents who are blowing it out of proportion and tweaking out about the situation, I have only 2 friends I can even talk to and one of them lives 30 minutes away , the other is just too fun of a person to be arround when in withdrawal, I cant even decide if I really want to kick or if I really am just going through the motions.

I was watching the wire the past few days and I heard a quote that has really hit home really hard, something to the extent of "shame is some tricky shit, makes you want to change your ways, then beats you back down when you think you cant"

The problem that im having the most trouble with about kicking this time is that ive been using mostly oxycodone over the past two months, but the past two weaks have been suboxone, and I am on about 48 hours since dosing anything, and its really fucking me up because I felt worse yesterday than I do today, but I know suboxone withdrawal usually doesnt get bad for me until like a week or so. I dont know if im already starting to get better due to the short term of continuous daily consumption this go arround, or if its the suboxone from two weeks making the withdrawal last a month instead of a weak... In other words, I have no idea if its getting better or worse, and im kind of scared to find out, I really just want to smoke some fucking bud but I have zero assets that could be utilized to obtain pot, and no fucking smokes either.

Fuck, im so tired of this, I hope I dont make the same mistakes again after this bout....
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I feel you on that bro.. I got 11 days off IV dope and 4 days off suboxone... the suboxone didn't even help me much... I only took it for a week (a couple mg's a day, missed a day too) and I'm still kinda hurtin... the only actual sleep I got was this morning... and that might have been because I took a few codeine yesterday, but not many.. it didn't get me high or help my w/d or anything.. I just did it cuz I felt it MIGHT help. I hope I can get well soon. Tired of living like this... :[
 
Bojangles69 said:
This is rather significant and I suggest some people seriously explore that thread she linked.
I know a lot about opiates, enough to know that there is good reason what she did will work for other people.
Just think about it, no longer do people have to wd from methadone for 2 weeks, or pods for 7-10 days, we can all rapid detox ourselves at home in 1-2 hours and go straight onto paws medicines.
I explained my perspective in her other thread. People are saying they don't think this will work but I suggest those that doubt actually go read about what rapid detox is. Its essentially the same thing except you wouldn't have the luxury of sleeping through it. I'm fine with that as long as I know it'll be over in a couple hours.
Seriously, this is rather fucking significant and if noones willing to try it out I will. The more and more I read about rapid detox the more and more reasons I see for this too work. Paws are a bitch but like I said in the other thread they are treatable, while physical wds are much harder to treat w/out an actual opiate.
This can mean that ANYONE with access to suboxone can rapid detox themselves from ANY opiate within a matter of hours. Just THINK about how significant this is to opiate addicts. No more tapering, no more cold turkeys, just 1-2 hours of pure raw terror and hell but the sacrifice is MORE THAN worth it. You get to wake up the following day, take your paws meds, and in only 24 hours feel 90% yourself again.
This could possibly be the most significant thread I've ever read on bluelight the entire time I've been here.
You can post about wd blues but I suggest you read why she bumped this thread.
Click to expand...

Thanks for the support, Bojangles :) I hope so much this method works for you. It worked for my boyfriend as well, which gives me hope that there might be something more to this than luck. I'm curious to see how dosing works correctly with this. For me, it was 1 mg of suboxone, coming off a gram a day for 3 years.


GOOD LUCK to everyone feeling sick today, and may peace be upon your hearts and minds. You are stronger than the drug, just remember that. You have a good soul beneath the walls the dope has built around you. You can find that again and run with it, once you leave behind the fears that keep you trapped. I'm not condemning anyone for using just because I choose not to right now... I love to get high! I just believe now, more than ever, that no person ought to get high out of necessity.. it should be a fun, beautiful, euphoric experience.

Hugs to all you WD sickies out there.. just don't puke on me. <3
 
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After withdrawals are over make sure you exercise AS MUCH AND AS HARD AS POSSIBLE!!! this really helped me and I still exercise pretty much every day. After you're done you kinda feel a bit of an opiate high (from endorphins which do pretty much the same thing), so now you're "addicted" to exercising... which is a good thing!
 
What I don't get it how I have 12 days off dope and 5 days off sub yet I'm still constipated and feeling overall sick.. back pain.. insomnia.. I thought the acute phase should be over by now? I only took about 20mg of sub over the course of a week... that's not enough to make me addicted to subs I don't think..
 
No its not enough but its definitely enough to have delayed every bit of heroin wd that you didn't fully get over.
Is that why you took the sub in the first place? To battle the heroin wds? Right now whats likely happening is because the sub wears off soooo slowly, and at those amounts it could take a week to all get out of your body... you will slowly still be wdn from the heroin.

Sub effectively delays the wds so they are less intense, but it just draws them out.
If you ever try to treat heroin wds in the future actually try using an opoid instead of an opiate, they won't delay withdrawals like sub will. Tramadol is usually enough to have me feeling good when I withdraw, and then you remove the tramadol and wds are over.
So I think you basically just changed the phase by taking the sub.
 
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I thought opiates are codeine, morphine, heroin while opioids are fent, meth, hydro, oxy, sub.. etc..

If my withdrawal is just delayed then prolonged.. why am I still constipated? I took the sub to help with the heroin withdrawal, the same way they gave it to me in rehab... the thing is it didn't help much.. I was still withdrawing, just not as bad.. I barely got any sleep unless I took trazadone and I've taken barely anything this whole week... a little bit of codeine one day and that's all... WHEN WILL THIS END? :(
 
OMG another fucking sleepless night.. how many days can a human go without sleeping!?!?!?! Longest. Withdrawal. Evar!
 
PhrostByte said:
I thought opiates are codeine, morphine, heroin while opioids are fent, meth, hydro, oxy, sub.. etc..

If my withdrawal is just delayed then prolonged.. why am I still constipated? I took the sub to help with the heroin withdrawal, the same way they gave it to me in rehab... the thing is it didn't help much.. I was still withdrawing, just not as bad.. I barely got any sleep unless I took trazadone and I've taken barely anything this whole week... a little bit of codeine one day and that's all... WHEN WILL THIS END? :(
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Yeh you're right I'm an idiot.

Anything "synthetic" I think is an opoid and anything thats made from the poppy plants I believe is an opiate.
I thought I learned that when I learned my abcs not sure wtf I was typing.

But lets keep it simple. You took about 20mg sub over the course of a week. I'm assuming because you have no real tolerance to sub thats the reason you're still constipated.
Ask anyone about sub even the tiniest doses that don't do shit WILL constipate the fuck out of you. I think its one of the worst opiates as far as constipation goes.
What likely happened is even at that low dose its half life built up a bit and it will prob take another day or 2 before you start shitting normal.

Also, don't forget that constipation dries out your turds and depending on how much you have in there sometimes it gets "stuck" I've noticed. If you honestly wanna shit I recommend doing some cardio. I noticed anytime I'm constipated for a long time if I just run for a half hour it seems to move water into your intenstines which really helps flush out whats still in there.

But don't freak out too much give the constipation another day or 2.

WDs suck bro but it doesn't have to be the end of the world. If you are genuinely in pain don't be scared to take just a tiny bit of w/e to level yourself out. I've jumped off twice already and gone back to using so I could just stay on a low dose of opiates. I figure the longer I'm on low doses and not high doses it has got to lessen the blow eventually and make it easier to stop everytime. Try to hang in there man and if you need to bitch/ask questions feel free. Noone likes to see another person in pain (no sociopath that is) and we all wanna see you make it through this.
 
I've been shitting normally yesterday and today.. I'm sicker than I have been in the past two weeks.. but mentally I'm ok. Still clean. :]

I went to a Russian rehab in Israel today and they told me the same shit every rehab tells you, "it's either our way or death". I still have hope that I might be able to do it on my own terms though.
 
15 days no dope.. 8 days no sub.. stilll not sleeping right, but I am sleeping a little bit in the afternoon. Could be related to jet lag I suppose.
 
i can relate to the thread.
Here i am, after being clean for almost 6 years after 16 years of hard practice in f3cking up my life, with Heroin and any substance i could get my hands on.
Working in surgery departments, the abuse was massive among me and coworkers.
Now here's the picture now.
6years of building up, getting married, having a big, nice house and a steady job, lots of animals and to top it off 2 lovely kids, a boy and a girl.
I relapsed some months ago in valium, oxis, fentanyl, etc, and found myself using Herion again since some months.
I quit that last sunday, and tapered off with fentanyl.
Yesterday i quit the fent, and am wding at the moment.
My wife has given me plenty of room to make mistakes, but says the limit is reached and if i go out to score again to postpone the wd, she'll have to take the kids and leave.

Now can someone tell me, why the thought of leaving and gettting dope seems like an option, while God has given me all the freedom to create the family i allways longed for?
Why do i even consider giving up ?








must be the dope............................................:|
I gotto hold on, and i know i can!
just don't feel like it....
 
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