WD blues, anyone?

Well, I've really done it now. I was feeling mostly okay yesterday, and then out of nowhere someone messages me saying they just got "hooked up" and they have one to share with me. I could have taken it or left it (I was sick but not on my death bed anymore by any means), but being psychologically addicted as well, I went through the motions and took the hit.

Today, after 3 days of using again after being clean for a bit, I'm having nasty symptoms again. I'm furious with myself for continually shooting myself in the foot (and the arm.. hah!) and can't bear the thought of going through this forever. I know even when the withdrawals are gone, the emotional and physical pain I've put up with for so long are coming back in full force to incapacitate me once again and keep me from taking necessary steps forward. I feel like I'm stuck on a hampster wheel and the only thing that gives me satisfaction anymore is seeing that blood rush in to the barrel and the plunger slowly go down, down, down, carrying me into that elusive euphoria I crave so much.

I don't know what to do. I love that warm, fuzzy, euphoricfeeling so much but hate the feeling of being perpetually trapped and sick, a prisoner of my own frail and tired body. I want so much to be able to do it 'once in a while,' and not fall into this sick everyday ritual again, but I fear sometimes I'll never have a strong enough will to reach that point.
 
Im fucking dieing here man.

My fucking girlfriend of 2 years left me for a homeless guy she just met, i had to quit my job recently and move back in with my parents due to a depression ive been in for months now, I told my psy-doc that I was detoxing this weekend and she told my parents who are blowing it out of proportion and tweaking out about the situation, I have only 2 friends I can even talk to and one of them lives 30 minutes away , the other is just too fun of a person to be arround when in withdrawal, I cant even decide if I really want to kick or if I really am just going through the motions.

I was watching the wire the past few days and I heard a quote that has really hit home really hard, something to the extent of "shame is some tricky shit, makes you want to change your ways, then beats you back down when you think you cant"

The problem that im having the most trouble with about kicking this time is that ive been using mostly oxycodone over the past two months, but the past two weaks have been suboxone, and I am on about 48 hours since dosing anything, and its really fucking me up because I felt worse yesterday than I do today, but I know suboxone withdrawal usually doesnt get bad for me until like a week or so. I dont know if im already starting to get better due to the short term of continuous daily consumption this go arround, or if its the suboxone from two weeks making the withdrawal last a month instead of a weak... In other words, I have no idea if its getting better or worse, and im kind of scared to find out, I really just want to smoke some fucking bud but I have zero assets that could be utilized to obtain pot, and no fucking smokes either.

Fuck, im so tired of this, I hope I dont make the same mistakes again after this bout....

good luck bro ive been there. think positive tho. i put myself through withdrawals so many times that they got less and less painful each time. even if was blowing through 3 times the pills. last time i detoxed i was mildly sick for *1* day. you might be experiencing the same thing. get yourself some smokes tho lol dont shock your system too much.

one suggestion id like to make to everyone who'd like to STAY CLEAN is get on a program of some type and BE OPEN MINDED. its your current way of thinking that has got you where you are. what worked for me was going to NA meetings as often as possible. you meet people who have been through all the bullshit and managed to keep drugs out of their life and learn from there experience. youll find that these random people will really reach out and help you through any problems you have. now i have a frigging list of people i can call whenever im having a shitty day or have drugs on my mind.

you arent alone. theres tons of people out there going through the same thing and have beat it. im only about a month clean myself but i know now it can be done.
 
you arent alone. theres tons of people out there going through the same thing and have beat it. im only about a month clean myself but i know now it can be done.

true that there man, congrats on your sobriety.

i know people say it can be done, and hell ive even seen it happen with a close friend who i used to get uber high with.
its just the depressing side of the whole story, like there are days (almost everyday) where i feel so sad and scared about my previous life fuck-ups and sometimes it holds me to the bed, or keeps me away from positive things in life.

wd's suck, thats all there is to it. like the film trainspotting, i havn't seen any dead babies crawling on the roof but i have had some mild hallucinations.
 
i havn't seen any dead babies crawling on the roof but i have had some mild hallucinations.

This one time during my worst kick, I was laying in bed and had been awake for about 4 or 5 days. I had one of those pole lights next to my bed, and all of the sudden the lamp turned into Jim Morrison and he was telling me to come dance with him. My friend comes into the room with some water for me and I've got my arms around the lamp and this gacked-out smile from ear to ear, and she was like, "I thought you were OFF of drugs now..?" %)
 
When you guys say 'blues' does it affect you such as....constantly thinking of old memories and tearing up ? And just generally feeling choked up in the moment?

Cause i take opiates 3/4 days a week (30/mgs hydro) for a while and now after the days of taking i get this kinda depression. I am on my 4th day of feeling like this (been happening the last month after usage).

I have no real physical WD as i've never used 24/7, just this extra kinda eery depression.

I've had downers the day after E but this is some sort of lasting depression....anybody gone through something similar?

I can relate on a similar level. I get the reminice effect. I forget what the term for it is but I've been on an H an opioid run for 2 years now using sub as a crutch and ready to d/t atm.
I notice when I try and d/t I get choked up as I look back on the old times.
I would say most of this has to do with all the depression and anxiety as i am d/t.
Try stocking up on some klonopin or valium for they have long-half lives. Don't take em longer than 2 weeks. Don't want to trade addictions. Maybe get some Immodium and smoke a little bud.
Just think about how much better your going to feel when your completely clean. My two cents.
 
I can relate on a similar level. I get the reminice effect. I forget what the term for it is but I've been on an H an opioid run for 2 years now using sub as a crutch and ready to d/t atm.
I notice when I try and d/t I get choked up as I look back on the old times.
I would say most of this has to do with all the depression and anxiety as i am d/t.

It's impossible not to look back on it and remember it fondly, like an old friend. It's so hard too, when you see all these places in your city that you remember things like "Oh, I copped some dope there." or "Oh, I shot up in that parking lot x amount of times." Drives me CRAZY. Not to mention hearing songs that make you flash back, seeing people around that you used to get high with... and here's the ultimate worst one: Finding rigs/works amongst your things constantly after you've quit. When I went straight for 2 months, I kept finding stuff everywhere. I'm still finding baggies in pockets of coats and such from before that time I quit for a bit. :X

I think a lot of the depression has to do with the lack of endorphins in your body during acute and post WD.. when you've been relying on a chemical so long that your brain quits making its own natural ones, it takes so long to repair!
 
It's impossible not to look back on it and remember it fondly, like an old friend. It's so hard too, when you see all these places in your city that you remember things like "Oh, I copped some dope there." or "Oh, I shot up in that parking lot x amount of times." Drives me CRAZY. Not to mention hearing songs that make you flash back, seeing people around that you used to get high with... and here's the ultimate worst one: Finding rigs/works amongst your things constantly after you've quit. When I went straight for 2 months, I kept finding stuff everywhere. I'm still finding baggies in pockets of coats and such from before that time I quit for a bit. :X

I think a lot of the depression has to do with the lack of endorphins in your body during acute and post WD.. when you've been relying on a chemical so long that your brain quits making its own natural ones, it takes so long to repair!

Hell yea everything you mentioned hits me hard. Even driving on the damn parkway hurts. Another one is the scent of the fuckin city when you get there if your from the burbs. But it's a whole lifetsyle change that we get so used to and wrapped up in. Thats why the shit is so evil.
But hell if I was clean two months I'd damn sure make it so I wouldn't be finding rigs around my space. That would be a bummer finding one.
True that on our endorphin depletion. I know excersize helps but it's so damn hard to get motivated and thats what we really need:!
Also I find eating fruit works a bit!
 
well i talked to my counselor at the mmt clinic and he says nobody is going to get 21 day detoxed because of funding issues. a lot of people at my clinic got freaked out because a rumor started that the low-income vouchers were not going to be accepted anymore. but in the end it wasn't true.
 
I would justlike to mention something that I recently have discovered that seems to be helping me to have energy while im withdrawaling.

I forget where I read it, some kind of exercise forum somewhere. Bassically you want to avoid letting your feelings control your actions. Instead, make your actions control your feelings. If you feel tired and dont want to feel tired, go for a walk, or exercise by some other means, just force yourself to start and when your done you will have much more energy.

I know its not rocket science or anything, but I find when I feel like I can barely move if I force myself to walk arround the yard for a few minutes at a fast pace , when I stop I have so much more energy than I did before I went walking....

Hope it helps someone, thats all...
 
^ Good info HH. I'm dissapointed in myself. Today was only my 2nd day off and broke down and got 2mg of sub.
I don't want to make any excuses but what really gets me sometimes is the anxiety, for I have OCD and it manifests itself and I find it very crippling.
I feel like I can definately deal with the physica pain but the mental pain through w/d can become overbearing.
I will attempt to spread this 2mg of sub over 5-6 days then finally give it all up.8)
I feel like I replased in a way although it was not with a full agonist.
Anyway I hope everyone is stickin in there.
This is by far one of the hardest things we will overcome.
 
Also how do you all feel about using sub insufflated with low amounts left while in the process of tapering?
Personally I feel it is fairly similar to dosing subingually except i feel it a bit faster and more importantly, easier to taper instead of breaking out small pieces and guessing the mg.
Thanks for any info in advance.
 
It's impossible not to look back on it and remember it fondly, like an old friend. It's so hard too, when you see all these places in your city that you remember things like "Oh, I copped some dope there." or "Oh, I shot up in that parking lot x amount of times." Drives me CRAZY. Not to mention hearing songs that make you flash back, seeing people around that you used to get high with... and here's the ultimate worst one: Finding rigs/works amongst your things constantly after you've quit. When I went straight for 2 months, I kept finding stuff everywhere. I'm still finding baggies in pockets of coats and such from before that time I quit for a bit. :X

I think a lot of the depression has to do with the lack of endorphins in your body during acute and post WD.. when you've been relying on a chemical so long that your brain quits making its own natural ones, it takes so long to repair!

God, I'm in the exact same boat as you guys are and know EXACTLY what you're talking about. Right now I'm in a really really shitty cycle where I use just about every 2-3 days, instead of every day like I used to the past year. I got over the real bad phsyical withdrawals from my IV dope addiction, was clean for a week, then relapsed and now use like every 3 days. I still get minor phsyical w/ds but it's mostly in my head I feel like. I just feel so fucking lost trying to completely rid myself of this drug/addiction. I am not as physically addicted as I was, but I don't feel like I can stay clean long enough to be entirely free of it. Like I am always extremely lethargic and unmotivated and I feel like I'll never get rid of that feeling. I'm just so impatient, I want my old self back and to feel normal, but I keep relapsing and won't let myself get back to that point.

The worst part for me is the nostalgia of the addiction, and looking back and my mind tricks me into thinking that those were the "good" times, when I know in reality that it was still miserable, it's just the tricky part of addiction. Like this past winter/early spring was the height of my addiction. I have so much nostalgia about driving down my guy's hood to cop with my girlfriend after her and I got out of work and having that feeling of excitement going down to cop. The rush of going into a bad neighborhood, doing the exchange, and getting away to go home and fix just made life seem really exciting for some reason, and I feel like that whole process was so damn addicting. I feel like if I kick this drug, even though I know my life will get way better, I'll always miss living that life style with it's unbelievable highs, and unimaginable lows. Everything about the life style is so addictive and unique. Fixing your shots, fixin up in the parking lot before work. I just feel like a friend is moving away and I'm going to miss him/her(oin) immensely.

I just need to get through this but it's fucking killing me. My mind feels so fucking fragile. I know if I don't kick this habit, I will either die, end up in jail, or waste many more years of my life til' I finally do get clean. Even though this addiction has torn my life apart... I feel like nothing will quite satisfy me the way dope has been for quite some time. This thread is really helping me know that people feel the exact same way I do though. Good luck to you all.

BTW, do you guys think a couple weeks of being on benzos will help with the boredom/anxiety/depression after the acute withdrawals. I know not to switch addictions, but I think a couple weeks will probably help A LOT.
 
Well, I've really done it now. I was feeling mostly okay yesterday, and then out of nowhere someone messages me saying they just got "hooked up" and they have one to share with me. I could have taken it or left it (I was sick but not on my death bed anymore by any means), but being psychologically addicted as well, I went through the motions and took the hit.

Today, after 3 days of using again after being clean for a bit, I'm having nasty symptoms again. I'm furious with myself for continually shooting myself in the foot (and the arm.. hah!) and can't bear the thought of going through this forever. I know even when the withdrawals are gone, the emotional and physical pain I've put up with for so long are coming back in full force to incapacitate me once again and keep me from taking necessary steps forward. I feel like I'm stuck on a hampster wheel and the only thing that gives me satisfaction anymore is seeing that blood rush in to the barrel and the plunger slowly go down, down, down, carrying me into that elusive euphoria I crave so much.

I don't know what to do. I love that warm, fuzzy, euphoricfeeling so much but hate the feeling of being perpetually trapped and sick, a prisoner of my own frail and tired body. I want so much to be able to do it 'once in a while,' and not fall into this sick everyday ritual again, but I fear sometimes I'll never have a strong enough will to reach that point.

I just wanna tell you a true story about my first kick real quick.

This board and many therapists will usually be very sympathetic and understanding of things like relapses. They will justify it however they can, tell you not to be hard on yourself, and you wind up just going back out and getting high.
You come on this board and tell people you relapsed, and we are all sympathetic, we understand what you're going through, we tell you everything will be alright despite reality being that none of us are psychic.. things very well can get worse, MUCH worse than you could ever expected, 1000 times worse than things are now.

My brother (non addict) was very tolerant of my addiction because he knew I had good intent, I genuinely thought I wanted to be clean.
And he promised he'd be there to "help" me through it no matter what happened.

I started to get clean and the *first time I messed up, it was 2pm and I was in bed sick, missed school and work, told him "I had flu like symptoms" and would be better soon.
Violence is not something we advocate in our family, but violence helped me more than ANY shrink or ANY person on this board ever could.
I have NEVER heard some scream so loud in my life, crying as they're screaming, dragging me off my bed while smacking me in the face;

"You think I don't have problems?, you think I have it 'easy' cause I'm not you? You think I don't get anxious every single day of my life about something? Do you think I don't sometimes think about just ending everything?.." over and over nonstop smacking, screaming and punching me at one of my sickest moments ever.

A masters graduate, successful person, beautiful wife, my brother has everything in this world I could ever dream of. He also has an attitude like no other person I've met in my life, just one of the most positive happiest people I've ever known. To see him in that state really made me realize what I was doing to the people around me.
It stopped me from classifying myself with drugaddicts, and I started thinking "maybe there really isn't a whole hell of a lot too different about myself compared to normal people".

I will NEVER forget, as sick as I was, the lasting impact his reaction had on me. He left the room balling (a grown man) and I was lying on my bed with my eyebrows cringed, trying to anaylze what just happened. Trying to "think" about what just happened.
And my thoughts didn't do a SINGLE GOOD THING for me EVER. Not than, not before, not ever. Somehow, from some mysterious force of life, this extreme strength and courage transfered from him right into my heart. I felt empowered like I have never have in my life, after just getting my ass beat.

After that, there was NO MORE relapses (till recently) I got myself clean because I felt that "shift" inside of me. You NEED to find that shift somehow. I don't say this with anything but the most positive intent, but maybe a smack in the face could help you a lot.
Or maybe smacking yourself in the face. =]

It sounds dumb but sometimes you need to drop everything you think, everything you believe, and just start acting, just start LIVING. That will generate more strength to keep you going forward.

You really like the blood in the syringe? The rush in your head? All that shit?
Good.
Its inevitable at some point you're going to be laying in a hospital bed because of your addiction. Beauty long faded by the drugs, family long detached, friends gone, noone in this world but the person you came into this planet with, yourself.

Its YOU that is going to get you out of this shithole of a life.
Not bluelight, not your dealer, not NA, not some therapist. It is ALWAYS YOU, no matter how much or how little help you have to do it.

You don't need another 5-10 years of bullshit drug addicted philsophy in your own mind telling you its possible to be hooked on drugs for the rest of your life and be happy.
You don't need another single person telling you its possible. You need to open your eyes, & realize what awaits at the end of this path you are traveling, NOTHING.
I wish I could hold your hand through it, and tell you its gonna be alright, but 90% of getting clean is learning how to self sooth, so I'd be doing you a major disservice.
Please for the sake of those who love you, and those who pray for the clean you, get OFF drugs. You don't need that shit, noone does.

Take care
 
Bojangles, thank you for sharing your story and tres congrats on getting clean. :)

HebrewHammer, what you said about letting your feelings control your actions is right on the money. So much of the depression and despair of withdrawal is a mindset. It really does help to focus on something else and make yourself get up and do stuff to take care of yourself, even if it's just going through the motions.

I just got a new job yesterday and I think that will be a powerful factor in helping me move forward. Finding something else positive to focus on usually helps me a lot. I haven't had anything particularly positive to fill my time in a while, but I can feel a huge shift coming. :)
 
wow bojangles tru story there, i've been through some of the kind shit but i kept relapseing, like i dont' care or something.
wd's suck, going thru them now, fucking sucks. :(
 
i keep making it about a week into bupe withdrawals, only to give up. this is like the 4th or 5th time. i'd be through it by now if i could just make it another 2-3 weeks. ugh. and its another week until my klonopin refill arrives.

the insomnia is probably one of the worst parts. that, and dreaming about getting high when you do sleep.
 
damn tath, so ur off the shit now? no more opiates? thats awesome bro


i hate drugs, i truly do. i dont know why i have to ALWAYS have them in my life, is it because of my low self-esteem issues? fuck

yeah goin through wd's now, its nothing like i've been doing a gram of raw a day, mostly a 12mg dilaudid day habit.
sucks now because all my fucking money goes into the damn things, 1 paycheck equals 6 k4's. 1 fucking pay check, and i dont get paid for another 2 weeks. !!!!! im not balling, i make minimum wage, fucking out rageous. plus i quit my job because of drama, fucked up.
why cant i stay sober?
sorry venting there
 
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