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Cannabis addiction is (in my and many other cases at least) is more based on how much you integrate the high itself into your life. Personality can easily be "lost" or become negative when cessation happens. Personally, it depends if you interact with people when under the influence, which creates an expected way of acting from the other persons perspective. It can be hard to stop smoking if people are always anticipating you to lift them up, rather than the opposite. The result is a potential small amount of alienation that will be compounded by ones more active mind, leading to potential panic and need for relief.


The one that can let their mind flow naturally will feel no need to be babied


The best way to do this is reading into Eastern Philosophy(Taoism,Zen).

Life isn't about analysis, it's about experience
 
I think the point that me and big stroonz have been trying to make (atleast i know i have) is that the plant itself is not addictive, and we don't want it to be spread around that the drug is bad for you because 'it is addictive' and then only spread the negatives.. Me and him both mentioned that it COULD be addictive, but rarely. I don't think we ever said that it is IMPOSSIBLE to get addicted, the minor withdrawl symptoms that some may get and some may not get, for whatever reason has nothing to do with it.
 
Clean_Cut said:
Think about the loss of productivity worldwide if everyone if the workforce was constantly stoned.

Now think about why the Government may have interests in at least some form of Cannabis prevention, especially in troubled financial times like these...
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Give me a bit of land somewhere where the conditions are ideal for growing....

15 acres of mendocino county.... I could benefit the economy more than the majority of the population if it was taxed....

in that area, pot is responisble for most of the economy....

Legalize weed and pass the fair tax.... hooray everyone wins... We get our pot, government gets tax revenue for the pot as well as additional revenue through munchies, bongs, papers, blunt wraps and all the other paraphenalia we buy....
 
BiG StroOnZ said:
...and I know many people who don't. 8) You seem to be missing the fundamental point of my argument. That it has everything to do with the user and not with the plant.
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I'm not saying every person will experience withdrawal effects, but there's no doubt that many do after very heavy use over an extended period. Its just in your original post you said there are absolutely no withdrawal effects at all, when clearly there are for some people, myself included when I first tried to stop all of a sudden after many years of 24/7 usage. Also you said 'cannabis is non-addictive', which is definitely not the case for everyone. Here you seemed so sure you are right too, I was trying to make the point that it is indeed a grey area and people will have different experiences. You stated cannabis is categorically not addictive for anyone, and nobody could experience withdrawal effects, implying that this is the case across the board and I disagree.

It does have a lot to do with the user yes, when I experienced harsh effects upon suddenly ceasing use its clearly my fault for smoking so much for so long and becoming dependant of the drug for enjoyment. But it was using cannabis so heavily without a break that meant there were negative side effects upon stopping, definitely something to do with the drug.

My first post may have come across a little harshly though, it was a bad morning lol sorry.
 
jamaica0535 said:
Legalize weed and pass the fair tax.... hooray everyone wins... We get our pot, government gets tax revenue for the pot as well as additional revenue through munchies, bongs, papers, blunt wraps and all the other paraphenalia we buy....
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I'm pretty sure cannabis is responsible for a large portion of the takeaway industry's revenue :D
 
Substances that are potentially addictive, can be used with control under certain conditions and be kept from habbit forming.
Under those circumstances cannabis controlled could be used without harm and without withdrawl symptoms forming.

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A research performed in both Amsterdam and San Franscisco:

(The Limited Relevance of Drug Policy:
Cannabis in Amsterdam and in San Francisco
Craig Reinarman, PhD, Peter D. A. Cohen, PhD, and Hendrien L. Kaal, PhD)


RESEARCH AND PRACTICE

With a widely used drug like cannabis, the informal
social controls that users develop as
part of their culture have more powerful
regulatory effects on their behavior than
do formal social controls such as drug policies.

This possibility emerged from responses
to questions about the circumstances respondents
found appropriate for cannabis use.

In both cities, relaxation was the most common
purpose of use, and majorities from both
cities reported that they typically used cannabis
with friends and at social gatherings.

Majorities in both cities most often mentioned
work or study as situations in which use was
inappropriate.

In both cities, 69% reported negative emotional states as unsuitable for
cannabis use, and 80% reported having advised
novices about the virtues of moderation


These data suggest that most experienced
users organize their use according to their
own subcultural etiquette—norms and rules
about when, where, why, with whom, and
how to use—and less to laws or policies.

When experienced users abide by such etiquette,
they appear to regulate their cannabis
use so as to minimize the risk that it will interfere
with normal social functioning.

This pattern suggests that if formal drug policies
are based on the folk (informal) drug policies
users themselves already practice, drug policies
may achieve greater relevance
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Hence, if those conditions such as stress, or negative emotions are taken care of otherwise
Cannabis can be easily controlled and regulated!
 
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jsnake said:
And I also read somewhere on this thread that you can't get addicted to weed apparently. You can get addicted to any drug fuckhead, you can get addicted to caffeine if you have it enough. Drugs are all in your head, they're just a substance that makes you perceive things differently. You don't get addicted until you treat drugs like an addiction. And until you understand that completely, you will always be a fiend. People become fiends because they use drugs the wrong way. They abuse it. Use drugs, don't abuse them. Use them to reward yourself.
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oh i would much sooner quit weed than caffeine again, oh the fucking headaches....

Weed is not addicticing in any sense that anyone should need a rehab facility....

I have quit for months at a time without any duress.... no problem at all...

I have lived with 2 real addicts for years.... One had a thing for oxy and it took a long time before she addmited that she had a problem and needed help... She is on suboxone right now, the other one is spending a short little stay in rehab at the moment.... Manic depresssive, bi-polar that self medicates with large amounts of anti psychotics, anti depressants, benzos, barbs, and opiates....

There are pothead and people with problems....

I do consider myself a drug addict, although not a typical one... The difference is that my only real addictions are caffeine and nicotine (i have no problem saying that, i know its true) most people who smoke and drink tea do not consider themselves addicts, i consider myself an addict in the sense that i am addicted to altered states of perception, i love drugs. Smoke pot every day, drop acid every now and then, eat pills a bit more than i should but i am taking a break after a little incident involing having to eat way too much because i got pulled the fuck over...

If your going to try to help people, do not aim at pot....pot has helped a lot of people in a lot of ways, there are people out there whos lives are in a downward spiral over things like heroin, prescription drugs, cocaine, etc... and you want to fight pot...

The first addict i mentioned, the one who had a really difficult time comming to terms with her addiction, the moment she said "i have a problem, i need help, i can not quit this alone" was over a bowl. She is a very moody individual, bi polar disorder runs in the female side of my family, no one knows how to deal with her except me.... When we smoke she will listen to what i have to say and be more open with me and others about her problem. The day after that she came out to a family member about it.

I would have been perfectly content growing up with pothead parents, potheads are not junkies or generally have the same problems...

I lived with a pill popping mom, and an alcoholic father.

The point im trying to make is, there are far bigger problems than pot in this world, make a campagin against suburban housewives going to pain management clinics and doctor shopping so they can have more benzos and opiates to get addicted to than they could ever dream of having...
 
Obviously someone who smokes a quarter or more a day for years is going to have withdrawls. They would with anything.

Moderation or regular abuse of weed (not very heavy abuse) won't produce addiction anymore than wanting chocolate cake. Myself and several others included, smoke normally at night, but a few blunts. We've been doing it for years now, almost every night, but we all take 2-3 week breaks every few months. Breaks down tolerance. Only side-effect is life is boring and time moves more slowly... I only crave it for it's ability to put me to sleep and take care of anxiety. Of course I also know kids who smoke every other hour, and freak out if they can't get weed that day. They complain of headachs and loss of apitite, but they don't fiend or get bedsick, and these.... w/ds I guess.... go away rather quickly (a week or so)

There are better things to worry about and spend valuable money on, than dealing with life without cannabis.


Anyway you all can carry on, just my 2 cents.
 
Dog_of_WAR2000 said:
ive quit multiple times weed is non adictive, sally fuck you, whod wanna stop cannabis is the best thing that has happened to me thus far... you know what should be illegal salvia you know what should be legal? weed, sally do you know that if we legalized weed and harvested it we could make clothes out of the hemp super strong rope, did you know that an acre of weed makes twice as much paper than an acre of trees, weed should be prevented it should be embraced
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Maybe get out a bit more? :D

Anyway, synthetic fibres are stornger then hemp; and cheaper. We live in a largely capitalist economy, so good luck convincing any bussiness to start paying more for things they can get cheap.

An acre of weed would make more paper then a...oh thats just ridiculous.

I like that- I've quite multiple times....hmmm, really?? ;)
 
swilow said:
Maybe get out a bit more? :D

Anyway, synthetic fibres are stornger then hemp; and cheaper. We live in a largely capitalist economy, so good luck convincing any bussiness to start paying more for things they can get cheap.

An acre of weed would make more paper then a...oh thats just ridiculous.

I like that- I've quite multiple times....hmmm, really?? ;)
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lol swilow you have no idea on the subject matter of hemp... :\ :|


expothead said:
not if I had anything to do with it :)
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you cant get high off of industrial grade hemp...
 
BiG StroOnZ said:
Maybe you should read through the whole thread again, before you start making such statements. This thread has evolved over time and I was mostly arguing for the fact that cannabis has the potential to be physically addictive if using in large enough amounts.

I am making those claims, not denying that, but only because the symptoms have nothing to do with the plant itself. People get addicted all the time to things (excluding drugs) that have no addictive properties. It's user error. I say it's imagined, because it is. People force themselves into thinking they're sick; it happens all the time.

How could the symptoms have nothing to do with the plant itself? The fact that it correlates with dose suggests that it is a physical action in the brain causing these symptoms. ATM I try to keep my smoking down to once a night. At this level I have absolutely no trouble with WD symptoms when I skip a day or 2. It was only when I used to smoke large amounts all the time that I would really feel shitty without it.

Your painting, is coming out like shit, to put it bluntly. You're spreading misinformation because of your personal problems with the substance; as some people do with Psychedelics, who don't have the mental capacity or strength to endure the experience (then they run around telling everybody "Acid" sucks and "Shroomz" suck... then they snort a 10 foot line of coke 8)). It's not my special plant, I don't even smoke anymore. There's plenty of misinformed people, already running around spewing absolute senselessness on Cannabis. I'm just saying we really don't need anymore...

I don't think it is fair to call me misinformed or "spewing absolute senselessness". And it is only misinformation because you disagree. How is it wrong for me to tell other people my experiences?

Trust me, assumption man. I'm not taking it personally. I find this all quite entertaining, actually. If I didn't I wouldn't still be posting in this thread :\

It kinda seemed like you were taking it at least somewhat personally when you accused me of having a mindset akin to a DEA agent....
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It's kind of funy how easily you dismiss others experience while being so quick to cite your own. Interesting double standard.

Any medical studies that say anything remotely negative about marijuana are propaganda according to you.

A new argument I was considering was the fact that the chemicals in weed are known to be an appetite stimulant. When the body recognizes that it is low on nutrients it releases chemicals that cause us to become hungry and seek out food. If these appetite stimulating cannabinoids are constantly in our blood giving our appetite a boost, our body will pick up on it and it will decrease the amount of it's own appetite stimulators being released to maintain homeostasis.

When these cannabinoids are removed, we will have a deficit in appetite stimulation for a while until our brain can catch up and return to it's normal state of producing the correct amount of endogenous appetite stimulant.

I think this is a fairly sound argument as to how it is at least possible for there to be more than mental trickery at play.
 
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BiG StroOnZ said:
lol swilow you have no idea on the subject matter of hemp... :\ :|




you cant get high off of industrial grade hemp...
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DELTA said:>>A new argument I was considering was the fact that the chemicals in weed are known to be an appetite stimulant. <<Eat before you smoke weed, don't overeat but eat healthy!
Your problems are solved though your high may be reduced a little. Don't smoke on an empty stomack.
 
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