Was the Vaccine Designed to kill

[Electrum1]

I only upvoted you for part of your post, just so you know, Bird

 

[bird.brain]

You either like all of it or none of it!
The world is fucking black and white.

 

[Electrum1]

Welcome back, Binary Bird

 

[Droppersneck]

These types of opinions should really be kept to themselves.
You're attacking the individual and so deflecting from the important figures she is putting out (or at least, if you're going to go down that route, provide some "BS" that she has spread. I bet it's true and that you simply disagree with it).

Also she was a doctor and a lawyer and because she spoke the truth about covid she was viciously and publicly attacked and even had her house raided by the Feds.
These experts don't ask to become famous, it's a consequence of them simply having integrity and the courage to speak out when their colleagues and peers cower in fear because they have been threatened into silence. To ignore the great professional and social risk that many whistleblowers inevitably encounter, and then to suggest that they're doing what they're doing simply for attention or fame, is a very poorly thought-out take.

It’s entrainment, people react when they don’t think someone is authentic or hurts their cause. This doctor has been involved in some shady stuff, but that doesn’t discount the fact that she’s raising credible evidence. The establishment went after her extra hard since she was an early doctor that started sounding the alarm bells.

 

[assclass]

It is pretty fucking cool

Why is it cool? Do you think it is real science or gnosticism?

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

McCullough continued:

“Now in professional athletes, many of the causes of primary cardiac arrest [for] a man his age have already been ruled out because the athletes are so heavily evaluated and scrutinized before they’re ready to play.

“So the leading cause of an athlete having a cardiac arrest on the field is hypertrophic cardiomyopathy. And that is a memorable thickness of the heart.”

He acknowledged that other congenital conditions or rare syndromes could be at play, but added:

“I think what is looming large and the reason why there was so much emotion … the elephant in the room that no one could bring up — until I brought it up yesterday on national TV as the first public figure — is COVID-19 vaccination.”

McCullough cited increasing evidence that the vaccines can cause heart damage, particularly among men. There are now more than 200 peer-reviewed studies on COVID-19 vaccine-induced myocarditis.

“Two papers: Mansanguan and Le Pessec have given us the point estimate of about 2.5% of people sustain heart damage when they take the vaccine,” he said.

In more than half of heart damage cases, there are no initial symptoms, but according to McCullough:

“A scar is formed in the heart. That scar is readily identified by MRI. And that scar becomes the setup for an abnormal electrical rhythm that circulates around the scar — it’s called ventricular tachycardia.

“And then, it degenerates into ventricular fibrillation, causing the sudden adult death syndrome. This is the leading thinking of what’s happening with athletes on the field.”

In December 2022, McCullough published an analysis with structural biologist Panagis Polykretis, Ph.D., assessing cardiac arrests among European football leagues.

They reported that since the introduction of the vaccines in 2021, there have been 1,598 cardiac arrests in the football leagues, of which 1,101 were fatal. Prior to 2021, the average number of cardiac arrests was 29 per year.

In a 38-year time span, from 1966-2004, the paper noted only 1,101 athletes under 35 died due to various heart conditions.

According to a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) report, there have been only 131 cases of vaccine-related myocarditis. But peer-reviewed studies in top journals, Pfizer and Moderna’s own data, and the CDC’s Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, or VAERS, data show 24,950 reports of myocarditis/pericarditis following COVID-19 vaccines.

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

Public-health experts are sounding the alarm about a new Omicron variant dubbed XBB that is rapidly spreading across the Northeast U.S. Some studies suggest it is as different from the original Covid strain from Wuhan as the 2003 SARS virus. Should Americans be worried?

It isn’t clear that XBB is any more lethal than other variants, but its mutations enable it to evade antibodies from prior infection and vaccines as well as existing monoclonal antibody treatments. Growing evidence also suggests that repeated vaccinations may make people more susceptible to XBB and could be fueling the virus’s rapid evolution.

Opinion | Are Vaccines Fueling New Covid Variants?

The virus appears to be evolving in ways that evade immunity.

www.wsj.com

 

[Droppersneck]

Public-health experts are sounding the alarm about a new Omicron variant dubbed XBB that is rapidly spreading across the Northeast U.S. Some studies suggest it is as different from the original Covid strain from Wuhan as the 2003 SARS virus. Should Americans be worried?

It isn’t clear that XBB is any more lethal than other variants, but its mutations enable it to evade antibodies from prior infection and vaccines as well as existing monoclonal antibody treatments. Growing evidence also suggests that repeated vaccinations may make people more susceptible to XBB and could be fueling the virus’s rapid evolution.

Opinion | Are Vaccines Fueling New Covid Variants?

The virus appears to be evolving in ways that evade immunity.

www.wsj.com

Virus’s typically become more communicable, and less virulent. It’s in pharmas interests to ramp up the fear porn, to sell more vaccines though. Hopefully normies are slightly more skeptical now, but I’m not holding my breath.

 

[JGrimez]

Alright, attach yourself to her then. See how that works out

Attaching myself? What are you talking about. If someone can do research and present numbers, then they're doing a good job.

Me not liking her isn't discrediting any info she is "putting out". She has spread a lot of stuff over the last few years that turned out to be BS. I'm surprised that you don't know that

I haven't followed every thing she has said over the past couple of years but whenever I listened I saw her speaking the truth against a corrupt establishment.

Hey, Grimez. Long time no see.

I trust you've been well?

Hey man, yes thanks. Just enjoying the show.
And still a #pureblood.

 

[bird.brain]

you said you could debunk the article but I wouldn’t listen to you and I said I’d listen. I would love to hear what you have to say. As long as people don’t just insult each other but come with real ideas, feelings, facts and information I love to have conversations about this topic any topic,

I'm sorry if I came across as rude. I'm just wary because I've invested my time trying to convince people here (who appear to be in varying states of paranoia) about COVID related stuff in the past and even gone to the extent of creating graphs and doing laborious calculations... only for it to fall on deaf ears. I probably should have inserted some *memes, here and there. It would have also helped (no doubt) if I insulted people less. But, those were tumultuous times.

I have no intention of insulting you.

*I'm still not sure what memes are, exactly.

like I quickly saw that another athlete had died from a sudden cardiac arrest and I thought there is another one prob

My problem with concluding anything based on personal observation is this: were we paying attention to athlete deaths – at all / somewhat / to the same extent – before they started talking about this?

It's like people who see the same number everywhere.

They only see it because they are looking for it.

If an athlete died on field in 2018, it'd be a fleeting thing. You'd forget about it immediately.

Now, these events are getting an enormous amount of media – and social media – coverage. So maybe we're more aware of them?

What I do know is you can't conclude anything based on observation.

Social media is a hype machine.

Proper interpretation of data is the only way to get a glimpse of what's really going on, on a global scale.

It seems as if the onus is on me to disprove your assumption. Traditionally those who make claims are responsible for backing them up.

I don't actually have an opinion about the vaccine conspiracy stuff because I don't presume to know anything about it. Whatever I come up with (outside of interpreting data) is purely speculation on my part and – therefore – almost certainly influenced by personal bias.

This is clearly happening all over this thread. The Dive COVID thread is a microcosm of a social media echo chamber. The same dozen or so people are essentially agreeing with each other on a loop while often not actually reading what it is they're agreeing (or disagreeing) with. If this behaviour doesn't strike you as odd, I'll just move on to the article.

First of all, it's a(n attempt at a) scientific article written by a political activist.

This should also raise some red flags.

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I wrapped my long boring dissecting of the Smalley article in NSFW tags so as not to further clog up this thread with my rantings. Interrupting the flow of ideas in here is like sticking my foot out and tripping over a gazelle mid-stride. It breaks my heart, guys. This thread is a thing of beauty. I'm sorry.

NSFW:

I cut and pasted a large chunk of the article here (following) separated by ellipses, because my response to all of the following is exactly the same.



the tldr the mortality (death) rate didn’t go up in Japan during the pandemic in 2020 or 2021 but it started to go up after the vaccine in 2022 ... these people survived the most deadly phase of the pandemic only to be taken out after taking the jab … other then the vaccine there is no other reason for the major jump in death rates ...In fact, as can be clearly seen in Figure 2, immediately after the COVID “epidemic” in 2020, Japan had the most significant period of seasonal deficit in ten years in terms of mortality after no excess mortality whatsoever.
And yet, in the aftermath of the mass mRNA experiment (to protect them against a virus/disease that they did not need protection from), they have experienced higher seasonal excess and lower seasonal deficit ever since.

In 2020, the year of the COVID epidemic, Japan had the lowest “super excess”1 mortality for ten years (Figure 3). Some epidemic, huh?

In 2021, when the mRNA experiment began, “super excess” mortality returns to the usual range.

In 2022, it is two to three times higher than usual… Go figure!

It is a similar picture when looking at "seasonal excess"2 (Figure 4).

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So, after a year of below normal mortality, measure both in terms of seasonal excess and baseline during the alleged epidemic, Japan is now experiencing the worst mortality outcomes in recent times.

93+% of the cases were in 2022, so this is meaningless... also the vast majority of vaccine jabs were delivered in 2021 not 2022

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if you have taken the vaccine I would not take it again and consider supplementing with nattokinase​

I actually agree withnot taking the vaccine. I have no idea what nattokinase is, but I'm not going to take it for granted that a random politically motivated anti-vaxer on social media (who doesn't know how to construct a sensible argument) knows better about medical science than someone trained in medical science.

Japan is a compliant nation of people, achieving way above average COVID “vaccination” rates compared to the rest of the world and the rest of Asia too... But it’s strange that they would be so zealously compliant to “protect” themselves from a disease that had absolutely no excess mortal impact... In fact, as can be clearly seen in Figure 2, immediately after the COVID “epidemic”https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https://bucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/deb003ae-806b-43f4-8746-9ee4e2e70c51_3400x2400.png

Writing “vaccination”, etc. instead of just vaccination is another red flag.



Do you really think this person is conducting an open minded analysis of the available data, or do you think they're seeing what they want to see?

Perhaps most alarming (unless you are in public office) is the dramatic rise in the “baseline” or level of “seasonal deficit mortality”3 (Figure 5).

Prior to the “vaccination” campaign, the seasonal deficit mortality averaged just over 45k. In 2022, it was just 17k4, with both 2021 and 2022 being the only two years since 2011 having baselines higher than the low end of the range trend5.

In terms of “net deficit”6 (Figure 6), once again 2022 has seen a substantial rise above normal levels, at around four times recent years, after 2020 (the year of the COVID “epidemic”) had bucked the recent trend, coming in substantially lower.

I fail to see how the “seasonal” data is any more (read: less) significant than the rest of the data presented.



When I lived in Tokyo, it was quite normal to see people walking around wearing masks to prevent the spread of flu. This was less a thing of respect and more a practical thing. The population density is insane. There's literally a guy who stands on train stations with a big stick so he can shove more people into over-crowded carriages. Outbreaks are different there then they are in rural Texas... but that's besides the point.

The “seasonal data” is – correct me if I'm wrong – Yearly Deaths till June. I'm not sure what assumption he is relying on to make this data significant. I can only guess.



As I've said, the vast majority of cases and deaths in Japan occurred in 2022. So why would the Deaths till June not be higher in 2022? The only question here is why the deaths are lower in 2020... and the answer to that – as I said in a previous post – is: lockdowns.



Inside cats live longer for obvious (and also some not so obvious) reasons.



The data is very consistent on this across various nations.



In Australia, I think we had the mildest flu season on record. Usually thousands of people die from the flu. We suffered extreme draconian restrictions. Curfews. Isolation rules.



All of these contributes to mortality. There are some casualties. Some people kill themselves because they can't bear to be told what to do. Overall, though, most people comply without much of a struggle and do the right thing more or less... which inevitably results in less risk-taking.



Japan didn't impose lockdown restrictions like Australia did, but the culture is different and the threat of an outbreak doesn't require the hard arm of the law for the majority of citizens to comply. As Smalley said:​

Japan is a compliant nation of people



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The data that Smalley has presented supports the idea that the virus killed those people.



I've gone through the entire article now. Let me turn it around to you.

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1. Hello. How are you?
2. If the vaccine is killing people and not the virus, how do you explain for the dip in 2020 other than lockdown? (If it is caused by lockdown, it no relevance to the virus / vaccine blame game?​
3. Since the vaccines were uniformly administered (week by week) over the course of the year 2021, why did all the deaths occur in 2022?​

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This issue has become so politicized and there has been so much blatant misinformation flooding the internet, including historically in CEPS, nobody should take for granted that anything is true without giving it at least a cursory examination.



People around here seem eager to “like” stuff that sounds close enough to what they want to hear. Liking shit is such a weird literal device in modern society. It's sort of like applause, but we're applauding ourselves because someone just re-assured us that we have the correct opinion.



It's kind of the opposite of healthy, I think. Ideas should be challenged, not re-enforced.



I haven't examine the athlete data yet, at all. It's more complicated and I'd have to track down the information that I need, if that's possible.



Again, it kind of feels like I have to disprove a non-existant argument.



Like I have to find out whether the data exists to support someone else's argument, because they – for some God unknown reason – refuse to present it. I'm tired. I had a long day. I will do so eventually.






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Was that a meme?

END OF PART ONE.

 

[Droppersneck]

I still wake up each morning and thank god I’m a pure blood. I don’t have any mystery establishment juice floating around in my veins. I don’t see how the pro pharma people do it.

 

[Cheshire_Kat]

Virus’s typically become more communicable, and less virulent. It’s in pharmas interests to ramp up the fear porn, to sell more vaccines though. Hopefully normies are slightly more skeptical now, but I’m not holding my breath.

This is true. A virus's main goals are to survive and reproduce, like any living organism. They will not succeed if they kill too large a percentage of their hosts, so most viruses have historically tended to adapt towards more reproduction, less host death in the course of their RNA shifts. Even Fauci should know this as it is basic virus survival behavior, but he has "somehow" forgotten this. Perhaps because there might be less profit if he had acknowledged this publicly, in addition to less cause for mask and lock down policies.

 

[bird.brain]

Hey man, yes thanks. Just enjoying the show.

And still a #pureblood.

I still wake up each morning and thank god I’m a pure blood. I don’t have any mystery establishment juice floating around in my veins. I don’t see how the pro pharma people do it.

Fair enough. My blood was far from pure before the establishment ever got to me.



I don't really run into anyone I'd call pharma people. I run into anti-vaxxers a fair bit. Most people who aren't anti-vaxxers don't like the vaccines and are somewhat wary of them. Nobody likes getting injected with anything. A lot of people are disappointed about how shitty the vaccines turned out to be, too. I don't see any vaccine fan boys. Unless saying "Overall, the data shows we saved lives," someone a fanboy makes.



I am much more concerned about unknown black market chemicals I injected into myself for years. There is no conspiracy required with street drugs. We have no idea what they are, but we snort them and smoke them and inject them and shove them up our ass.



Personally, I think severe reactions are pretty rare. I've had four jabs and I'm fine, like literally everybody I know. But even if the vaccines are as toxic as you guys think they are... there is no way in fuck they are as toxic as injecting unfiltered street drugs.



For the record, I don't like vaccines. I regret having as many as I did, but I'm not super concerned about it since I've experienced zero symptoms from four shots including two AstraZeneca jabs. I'm not concerned about the virus for the same reason.



Severe reactions to the virus are pretty fucking rare too, especially in young healthy adults.



I'm not going to assume that the vaccines are killing more people than the virus when the data says otherwise, because - if that data is wrong - I'd need other data to go by... and nobody here is presenting any.



You're just all agreeing with each other, more or less. Like I said, it's nice to see you disagree once in a while.



I'm honestly a little worried about some of you, but I have a tendency to do that. It's something I need to work on. It comes from a good place. I don't mean to be patronizing.



Anti-vaxxers seem to be suggesting the data exists, but can't point me in the right direction. So, I have to go prove that it doesn't exist which isn't really my responsibility (debate-wise) and, more importantly, it's much harder to convince someone that data doesn't exist to support their argument than it is for both sides to just present data supporting each argument.



A lot of the comments around here about purebloods and the establishment and shit - frankly - sound a little paranoid and unhinged... but, then again, that's what sheeple would say. Right?



I don't know.



You guys spend so much time on here agreeing with each other. Does anyone want to take up my challenge and actually compile a coherent argument with credible sources? The evidence presented seems to mostly be just a stream of unqualified social media opinions and clickbait articles.



Explain:
The athlete thing.
I'm open minded.


Maybe athletes are dying from vaccines in suspiciously high numbers. I haven't looked into it other than very briefly in this thread with Soccer. It's possible, but the general population doesn't seem to be. The vaccines are obviously doing something with clotting and heart attacks. I don't know any professional athletes. Not a sports guy. If I was into sports, maybe I'd see it and it'd make sense but I'm not and I don't and I remain sceptical until someone presents a compelling argument or some really solid data.



I don't care that much if it's killing athletes, assuming the potential numbers are (from what I gathered) in the hundreds.



There is usually a considerable delay before we have good data on deaths in large populations. Pandemic death tolls have been historically determined by excess deaths. Typically (throughout history) accurate death tolls have taken years. Often an accurate count has been impossible. If you go back far enough, the range of estimates for the early plagues is very wide.



Anyway, during the COVID-19 pandemic, most countries recorded positive cases and deaths very closely so the delay wasn't as significant.



The death count was flawed, don't get me wrong, but everybody was also working round the clock to correct it in real time.



I suspect the same thing is happening with on field deaths.



Have recorded on field deaths accurately in the past?



Somebody said it was happening with soccer players. Maybe it is. There was a spike in 2021, but it's a chaotic data set. The spike might be significant and it might not.



There was also a significant dip in (recorded) on-field soccer deaths in 2011 and a massive spike in the year 2000.



From 1920-1980, there were an average of 0.5 recorded deaths per year.

From 1980-2000, there were an average of 1.1 recorded deaths per year.

From 2000-2020, there were an average of 4.2 recorded deaths per year.



There are multiple possible explanations, here.



1. We are recording on field deaths more accurately.

2. More athletes are dying on field as time goes on, for whatever reason.

3. Both of the above.



The answer is almost certainly 3, right?



Professional sport is much more competitive than it used to be. Steroids are more common than they used to be. Aren't they? Like I said, I don't know much about sports. It doesn't interest me. If my favourite writers and directors and actors and musicians start dropping like flies, I'll be more invested.



Most of that wasn't directed at you, Grimez.



I'm just rambling as usual. Take your pick.

 

[ChemicallyEnhanced]

We're still waiting on this "Proof", OP.

 

[Jabberwocky]

We're still waiting on this "Proof", OP.

 

[bird.brain]

take care of your kitty

Unfortunately, she (the cat) is no more.

when the mainstream media tries to downplay myocarditis they cite that the cases they have found are mostly rare and resolve quickly and the heart returns to baseline but more thorough imaging has shown that there is still damage to the heart in a significant portion of these resolved cases and there is no way to know what the long term ramifications of that will be.

But the cases themselves are rare?
I'm not sure if you're disputing that?

Does myocarditis cause long term damage to your heart? Probably. I don't know. It doesn't matter.

The question is how common it is.

his is potentially the cause of so many people found dead in their bed and have died suddenly as a result of ? potentially myocarditis

How many people were found dead in their bed relative to the normal number of people per year that die in bed? And what did the coroner conclude in those cases? Are coroners all over the world conspiring together?

Where is the data?

I think the low risk of severe Covid and the high risk of myocarditis and pericarditis should make America take at minimum the same stance as Germany and France and stop moderna vaccines in men I think the ages were 12-30 but it may have gone into the 40’s but even more so halt vaccines in children all together

I 100% agree about children and pretty much about everything you said. I assume that was you writing. Maybe it was a cut and paste. Doesn't matter. Either way. I don't like the vaccines. I don't think my parents should take them and I tell them that and they're 70+. One of them almost got killed by the flu and the other one has immune issue, but - still - I don't think they should just keep getting jabbed. The vaccines don't last. In order to maintain immunity you need to constantly jab yourself, it seems. Like once every two or three months? Fuck that shit. Nobody wants that.

Vaccinating babies with these awful vaccines is seriously insane. Don't get me wrong. Those people are fucking crazy.

But there are a shitload of elective surgeries that are far more dangerous than the vaccines. In order to be consistent with your logic, you'd have to take away people's freedom to engage in risky activities across the board. Otherwise you're discriminating against people who want to take a vaccine that (for all we know) has a very small chance (at least as small a number as one in hundreds-of-thousands) to cause death.

They should definitely stop pushing these fucking drugs on people and their children.

There is going to be an endless string of lawsuits for decades when this is all finally done.

 

[Las Veghost grower]

Can’t prove it, na na na na Boo boo stick your head in doo doo

 

[Xorkoth]

Why is it cool? Do you think it is real science or gnosticism?

I just thought it was a cool idea. I don't really care to look into its veracity, as I don't really care or have time.

 

[bird.brain]

so that is why the effects on mortality from the vaccine appear in 2022 in my opinion

I'm not sure how you come to that opinion, honestly?

Doesn't it seem implausible to you that every hospital in every country in the world is somehow in on the same conspiracy to hide the fact that vaccines are killing people rather than a virus? I'm not saying vaccines aren't killing people. You're attributing virus deaths to vaccines, without evidence. It doesn't make sense to me to do this without a sensible reason. 93+% of the cases were in 2022. So how do you know if it's the vaccine or the virus killing people?

Can we agree that the virus killed a lot of people?

What percent of virus deaths are actually vaccine deaths, do you think?

nattokinase or natto is a soy based vitamin that breaks up amyloid plaques which are often found in the brain that cause Alzheimer’s the Japanese eat a lot of it which is why they have a lower number of dementia and Alzheimer’s patients then the west.

I could do with some of that. Doesn't DXM also do that? Or am I imagining it?

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

At a hospital, they're not as concerned about the cause of the illness as they are about treating the illness