-->!WARNING!<-- Yellow Ninja Turtles ~ Lab tested ~ DMA ~ Chemically similar to PMA

[severely etarded]

-->!WARNING!<-- Yellow Ninja Turtles ~ Lab tested ~ DMA ~ Chemically similar to PMA

The lab results are in. These have been tested by ecstasydata.org - They are DMA, which is chemically similar to PMA, a very lethal drug known as "Dr Death"


Erowid - PIHKAL - DMA
http://www.ecstasydata.org/view.php?id=2141

Stay safe and remember to test your pills! *PLUR

 

[Asyd420]

good job on the heads up.

 

[TheAzo]

2,5-DMA? Good lord why?!

Good lord why not just halogenate it, and get 150x as many hits of DOI/DOB? That reaction is the easy part of the DOx synth (except for DOC)... But no, they'd rather sell poison pills.

What the fuck?

That said, as for toxicity, while 2,5-DMA is a crappy drug - i'm under the impression that it's a straight stimulant, nothing more - it's probably not nasty like PMA is; certainly there's no reason to suspect that it would be.
The key position is the 4 position, which is where the body tries to put something onto the ring, and can't do that if there's something already there. Amphetamines with substituents in the 4 position are neurotoxic, and serotonin releasers (as well as being DA/NE releasers).
However, 2,5-DMA has nothing in the all-important 4 position. I'd expect it to be a shitty stimulant (which is consistent with reports), worth avoiding, but lacking in the unique toxicity of PMA.

 

[mgmt&mdma]

thanks for the warning where are these going around?

 

[Asyd420]

reports said around Washington

 

[socalthizzn]

Excellent serving of knowledge.

2,5-DMA? Good lord why?!

Good lord why not just halogenate it, and get 150x as many hits of DOI/DOB? That reaction is the easy part of the DOx synth (except for DOC)... But no, they'd rather sell poison pills.

What the fuck?

That said, as for toxicity, while 2,5-DMA is a crappy drug - i'm under the impression that it's a straight stimulant, nothing more - it's probably not nasty like PMA is; certainly there's no reason to suspect that it would be.
The key position is the 4 position, which is where the body tries to put something onto the ring, and can't do that if there's something already there. Amphetamines with substituents in the 4 position are neurotoxic, and serotonin releasers (as well as being DA/NE releasers).
However, 2,5-DMA has nothing in the all-important 4 position. I'd expect it to be a shitty stimulant (which is consistent with reports), worth avoiding, but lacking in the unique toxicity of PMA.

 

[the toad]

2,5-DMA? Good lord why?!

Good lord why not just halogenate it, and get 150x as many hits of DOI/DOB? That reaction is the easy part of the DOx synth (except for DOC)... But no, they'd rather sell poison pills.

What the fuck?

That said, as for toxicity, while 2,5-DMA is a crappy drug - i'm under the impression that it's a straight stimulant, nothing more - it's probably not nasty like PMA is; certainly there's no reason to suspect that it would be.
The key position is the 4 position, which is where the body tries to put something onto the ring, and can't do that if there's something already there. Amphetamines with substituents in the 4 position are neurotoxic, and serotonin releasers (as well as being DA/NE releasers).
However, 2,5-DMA has nothing in the all-important 4 position. I'd expect it to be a shitty stimulant (which is consistent with reports), worth avoiding, but lacking in the unique toxicity of PMA.

I went and read the pihkal entry for it and looked at the chemistry(I'm a bit rusty on such things) I was curious if perhaps it was a simpler synthesis or something that made it desireable to produce... I also thought the same thing about just making DOB etc... I then checked out the DEA drug scheduling list thinking perhaps its uncheduled and maybe that's why they were using it... but no its schedule 1 (in the USA at least)... so equal or greater risk as making anything else, not really any easier to synthesize... not much possitive effects... and much lower yield wtf?

There was something interesting that I've yet to follow up on in the pihkal entry about massive quantities being consumed by pharm companies... in similar quantities as morphine and codiene... maybe someone is sitting on a big pile of it somehow or another....

 

[severely etarded]

as for toxicity, while 2,5-DMA is a crappy drug - i'm under the impression that it's a straight stimulant, nothing more - it's probably not nasty like PMA is; certainly there's no reason to suspect that it would be. The key position is the 4 position, which is where the body tries to put something onto the ring, and can't do that if there's something already there. Amphetamines with substituents in the 4 position are neurotoxic, and serotonin releasers (as well as being DA/NE releasers).
However, 2,5-DMA has nothing in the all-important 4 position. I'd expect it to be a shitty stimulant (which is consistent with reports), worth avoiding, but lacking in the unique toxicity of PMA.

All the reports sound just like pipes... "Mescaline visuals", etc... Very shitty feeling, vomiting/nausea, etc. I'd say these sound similar to PMA, as far as effects go. The chemicals are analogues of eachother.

The only thing I am unsure about is toxicity. I'd guess as far as lethal potential goes, DMA is probably a little bit safer than PMA. But it really hasn't been studied much at all, and sounds like similar effects by the reports.

User Report:

*(STAY AWAY PIPES OR SOMETHING ELSE NOT MDMA!!!)*

-bear with me this is my first report,

took 2 at 7pm, was driving in the car,

-7:45 started feeling like it was coming up, so we start blasting the music,

-8;15 feeling the same way music not helping, i buy an orange juice to sip on,

-9pm start to feel nausea, and skin felt like i had bigs in it just really crawly some parts more than others,

-9:30 feeling sick too my stomach, just sitting down at the party trying to get threw it ,still feeling the feeling in my skin

-10;15 unberable pain, felt like i had to throw up but couldn't at all, so i got a cup of cheap vodka swished it like mouth wash n drank it then threw up,
\
-10:45 nausea is finally gone, so is the crawly feeling i had!

-11;30pm i smoked 2 blunts and couple bowls went to the car and took my ass to sleep

**P.S. i was with a friend who had also taken 2 of these and she had completely different effects, it was as if she was in another world and hallucinating, she was starting to feel sick then she started saying she thought she was a ghost and how every ones eyes at the party at one point looked like demons, she was like this till about 2am,**

Ya these are definately a disgusting chem.

people dropping >1 must've been in for one terrible ride...

Bro these were up in seattle a few months ago and people were saying they are crack bombs and there hella stong and fuck you up so much, hella people went to the hospitle tho cus there to strong and my friend who only took one said he is still fucked up in the head cus of just taking 1, so everyone stay away!

 

[the toad]

@etarded: I'm a little drunk and don't in any way want to sound condescending but theazo's talk of having nothing in the para position of the benzene ring as does pma and other neurotoxic chemicals seems to suggest more about the likely neurotoxicity than being analaogous of a neurotoxic substance... the DOx chemicals are also analoguesbut nobody flips out over DOI being dangerously toxic...

 

[severely etarded]

@etarded: I'm a little drunk and don't in any way want to sound condescending but theazo's talk of having nothing in the para position of the benzene ring as does pma and other neurotoxic chemicals seems to suggest more about the likely neurotoxicity than being analaogous of a neurotoxic substance... the DOx chemicals are also analoguesbut nobody flips out over DOI being dangerously toxic...

Every substance different. This shit sounds like a crappy version of DOx crossed with PMA.... Not quite as bad as PMA but nowhere near as pleasant as DOx... That's how the chemical is structured...

 

[the toad]

^ @etarded: I wasn't in any way suggesting its a good substance to consume for pleasure... I was simply saying that I would hesitate before suggesting neurotoxicity similar to PMA

What I would suggest is for people to avoid these as toxicity is unknown...

No reason to play guinea pig on something that doesn't even make you feel good

 

[snafu]

http://www.wolframalpha.com/entities/chemicals/2,5-dimethoxyamphetamine/6a/f5/cg/

 

[Vader]

I definitely wouldn't consider this to be particularly similar to PMA. In the words of the good Doctor, "the 4 position is where the action is". This stuff is less similar to PMA than it is to TMA-2, which is a lovely drug by all accounts. Do we draw the conclusion that it is therefore both a dangerous stimulant and a beautiful psychedelic? No, that would be silly.

For those wondering about why exactly this might be chosen, perhaps the good Doctor can enlighten us once more:

There is a mystery, at least to me, concerning the commercial production of 2,5-DMA. At regular intervals, there is a public announcement of the production quotas that are requested or allowed by the Drug Enforcement Administration, for drugs that have been placed in Schedules I or II. In the Schedule I category there are usually listed amounts such as a gram of this, and a few grams of that. These are probably for analytical purposes, since there are no medical uses, by definition, for drugs in this Schedule. But there is a staggering quantity of 2,5-DMA requested, regularly. Quantities in the many tens of millions of grams, quantities that vie with medical mainstays such as codeine and morphine. I have heard that this material is used in the photographic industry, but I have no facts. Somewhere I am sure that there is someone who has to keep a lot of very careful books!

 

[propaganda bot]

I definitely wouldn't consider this to be particularly similar to PMA. In the words of the good Doctor, "the 4 position is where the action is". This stuff is less similar to PMA than it is to TMA-2, which is a lovely drug by all accounts. Do we draw the conclusion that it is therefore both a dangerous stimulant and a beautiful psychedelic? No, that would be silly.

For those wondering about why exactly this might be chosen, perhaps the good Doctor can enlighten us once more:

from the other reports, and the entry by shulgin in PIHKAL, you'd have to be a fucking moron to ingest these pills, thinking they are "lovely" at all. wtf

 

[severely etarded]

I definitely wouldn't consider this to be particularly similar to PMA. In the words of the good Doctor, "the 4 position is where the action is". This stuff is less similar to PMA than it is to TMA-2, which is a lovely drug by all accounts. Do we draw the conclusion that it is therefore both a dangerous stimulant and a beautiful psychedelic? No, that would be silly.

For those wondering about why exactly this might be chosen, perhaps the good Doctor can enlighten us once more:

Did you even bother reading any reports before you spouted that? Not one single report indicates anything "lovely" at all... The reports sound like PMA. Almost everybody is reporting several people going to the hospital.

 

[Vader]

I think that you failed to comprehend what I was saying. I didn't deny that it's a horrible drug, and I certainly didn't assert that it's lovely. I said that drawing that conclusion because of its alleged structural similarity to PMA was silly. The drug is more similar, structurally, to TMA-2 than it is to PMA. I don't see you claiming it to be a TMA-2 analogue. My critique was not of the conclusion that 2,5-DMA is unpleasant, but of the logic by which that conclusion was arrived at. You have a rather hostile attitude which is unwarranted, and which does not make you particularly pleasant to converse with.

 

[severely etarded]

The chemical is structurally similar to TMA-2, and a little less to PMA. The chemical is still very dangerous, and the entire point of the thread was to let people know it's bad. If you have a problem with that, IDK what to say. The chemical is structurally similar enough to PMA to give similar effects, with less toxicity. I'd stay away from anything that horrible.

Sorry I offended you.

 

[snafu]

I wonder if this stuff would be easier to synth than tfmpp or bzp. The chemists either knew little about its effects or they purposely wanted to cause harm. Unlike pipes where maybe a certain percentage of people enjoy the effects, dma has negative reviews on every single report where it's suspected content.

 

[the toad]

I wonder if this stuff would be easier to synth than tfmpp or bzp. The chemists either knew little about its effects or they purposely wanted to cause harm. Unlike pipes where maybe a certain percentage of people enjoy the effects, dma has negative reviews on every single report where it's suspected content.

I looked. Up the synth on this and its very similar most DOx's... I don't think ease of synthesis is the reason its showing up in pills... jmo, but from what I've read about DMA there's huge quantities produced by large scale chem makers... so I think somehow or another someone ended up with a big pile of it and thought "I can sell this in pill form"...

 

[Vader]

The chemical is still very dangerous, and the entire point of the thread was to let people know it's bad. If you have a problem with that, IDK what to say.

I don't have a problem with that at all, I just think it would be better to have the warning without any reference to PMA.

Sorry I offended you.

You didn't offend me, I'm pretty thick-skinned, I just prefer conversations in which all the participants are civil.
....

I think somehow or another someone ended up with a big pile of it and thought "I can sell this in pill form"...

I think that this is right. As has been said, anyone who knew how to synthesise it wouldn't stop there, this has probably been diverted by some very unscrupulous people.