warning to all Nurofen Plus or OTC codiene pain meds...please read and view picture..

^I have to say, I had the same reaction! You have been through hell and back having just practically killed your own body and you are going to keep putting harsh chemicals in your body before you have even healed in the name of celebrating? Celebrating your birthday is great but what about celebrating having been born and staying alive and healthy? I can understand your saying that you will probably always want to get high every now and then but this life is full of choices and you may have to come to terms with the fact that you need to stay away from substances until you are completely healed. Who knows? In doing that for a while you may find that you replace the need to get high with completely different experiences.

As far as kratom goes, at least read the thread here in TDS that deals with people's difficulties with dependence. And poppy pod tea? That is presumed to be the source of the fatal dose of morphine my son accidentally overdosed on last year. He had been using it for years and thought he knew quite a bit about it.

I am not advocating that you be sober for life; that is a decision best made by every individual based on what they truly know they can handle. But I think a vacation from drugs while you heal is definitely something you should consider. Good luck and sincere best wishes on your birthday!<3
 
Ouch, that's a real nasty ending.
A vital warning to those swallowing over the counter codeine tablets.. CWE's are essential!
 
learning lessons isnt easy

Yes I've been an idiot. And continue to try find satiation in any kind of high. BUT, something has sunk in, and this place has helped.

Firstly,; to sublimaze, I use but don't abuse any single substance like I used to. So yes whilst I'm still somewhat addicted to getting high, I am no longer opiate dependant which was the killer for me.
My codiene usage has gone.
I keep getting high for special occasions.
I still have issues but like I said, I'm growing in the right direction.

Now to snare, I can advise you because I've travelled the exact path you appear to be going.
Dude, you're lucky that you found this forum as the knowledge from the users here has been invaluable.
I'm afraid my advice will be harsh, but you really must understand the full extent of damage that NSAID abuse/overuse is actually causing to your body. NSAID's are anti inflammatory drugs like Ibuprofen.
You MUST stop ASAP.
Because some of this damage is incurable.
You may already be close to having kidney issues. To be specific, a kidney failure known as Renal Tubular Acidosis Type 2.

This basically means you will be losing essential salts and lots of protein in your urine.
Potassium is the key salt, and having low Potassium will cause your muscles to fail, including your heart.

It took the docs 6 weeks for them to even come to this diagnosis for me. I know have to take a large amount of potassium and other supplements for life. I've been hospitalized 4 times with potassium levels as low as 1.4 g/mmol.
Normal levels should be 3.5 at its lowest.
Yet I continued to take N+ albeit much less. But all it takes is a few missed doses or an infection and my potassium drops.

This is linked to your bowel issues. Potassium is needed for smooth bowel function. So not only are your lower intestines being destroyed by ibuprofen but you'll be in a constant cycle of constipation and then the opposite. And of course opiates are well known for causing constipation.

Three years you say youve been on 30+ N+ tablets. Well although I'm no doctor, I would go and get checked out by a renal specialist. Go to your doctor and ask for a blood test that covers u&E, full blood count, and also bicarbonate levels.

Seriously dude, I'm not exaggerating any of this. 3 years is when I first ended up in hospital due to low potassium and electrolyte levels.
From the sounds of it, you're beginning to exhibit symptoms of RTA type 2. Your blood will be highly acidic causing the other issues you describe you have. I bet its even hard for you to walk up and down stairs by now.

These forums have a wealth of information on something call led CWE, a cold water extraction technique of separating the codiene from the more harmful ibuprofen or paracetamol contained in the over the counter tablets you're buying.

Unfortunately it doesn't work well with N+. So start with Co codamol or similar. Do a search for CWE on this forum and you'll find out how best to do it. I've written posts myself on my experiences.

YOU MUST STOP ABUSING IBUPROFEN ASAP. I really hope for your sake you've caught it in time and don't already have RTA.
And as far as the intestinal issues go, you know where that's heading right ? Well that's a product of both opiates and codiene.
You could even end up worse than me. I was lucky just to lose 7inches of my lower tract. You could destroy it to a point where you'll have a pouch permanently attached to your lower abdomen, collecting waste, which you'll have to empty.
I don't know how old you are but if you're you nd, sub 27 your body may be fighting it off to a point but all that I have explained is where you will end up.

In one way you're lucky the opiate is codiene, the withdrawals are the easiest of the opiates. You'll only go through one week of a rough patch. Then its the PAWS that hits hard about 4 month in. Post acute withdrawal syndrome. Look up PAWS, there are several support groups on the web specifically for pain killer addiction. Its worse in the states than over here, people inject oxycodone, a much worse opiate.

You can do it my friend, start by trying the CWE. And as you're doing now, try a slow taper of that. But that is seriously going to be a life saver for you. NSAIDS, will destroy your kidneys and the damage is permanent.
So please stop ASAP.

By all means, PM me and I'll give u my mail addy ad I'll offer advice when I can.

I pretty much quit the codiene now, and every now and then I try something different, without abusing it. Like if I desperately need to get into escape mode, I may have 2 or 3 beers max.

Yes on my birthday, I had a couple things I never tried before like K, but haven't touched it since. I had a gram of amphetamines which satiated me for a day or so, then it didn't effect me so don't get any more. I'll maybe have a beer or so once a week, and use benzos when I can't sleep.
So my last demon to kill is the insomnia. Because without opiates, I really can't sleep, but even that ended up with me doing too many zopiclone, so I changed to xanax. And I cycle whatever it is I use so I do t get dependant on any.

I still have issues but am happy to say ibuprofen is no longer a part of my life.I've spent a whole week without anything, although I didn't sleep much, I got through it.

So please stop the ibuprofen. You're awfully close to getting permanent life changing issues, I hope for you that some of what I've said has helped. It may be harsh but you can do it. try the cWE, or cold turkey it.

Oh and there's an antidepressant which will make cold turkey a breeze Thad first time. Its called mirtazapine, it will help you get through PAWS too. And do try some of the pain killer forums, there are many in your position.
Mostly thank God you found this place ! Harm reduction is its goal, and most of us here need to get high for whatever reason, we're addicted for life but we can remove a lot of health risk. My solution was trying to find something new and not abuse it. I'm doing much better for it.

Looking forward to your recovery and I'm always here if you got more questions, like I said, I've travelled your path, 3 years is when my body wasn't able to cope anymore, I was 36 or so. So do go see a dock and get blood tests as I've described above. Be honest with him and I'm sure you'll escape much of what got me.

Good luck m8
 
awww man now your taking K and speed? As if your organs havnt had it hard enough! SO what happened, how long did you go without taking a crap before your intestines burst? Ive had to go to the hospital for constipation, and now if it gets bad, I used an enema or CITRAMAG

Yes quite, well I had constipation symptoms for over a year before they gave in.
Best advice for now is take something like senna, every night without fail.
ALWAYS eat bran and brown bread for breakfast. Avoid eggs. Eat plenty of figs and dates.

Hard to do but keep opiate use down to a minimal, I hardly ever. Do codiene new, I try cycling the type of drugs I use.
I'm an addict chap, I don't know if I could ever resort to a "high" free life, but I try my best.
All drugs cause dam age, but this is magnified by the abuse level, hence I cycle what I use. One week it will be a bit of amphetamines, another, maybe a few beers, vale and sleeping pills.


I can't afford to be an opiate user now so its like once a month I might do a CWE on a box or two of OTC cocodamols.

Most recently I've been trying RC's but they leave me dehydrated so I won't be doing those much either.

At least I'm not an alcoholic or worse
This harm reduction forum has helped a lot.

Wishing you he best.
Ant
 
^I have to say, I had the same reaction! You have been through hell and back having just practically killed your own body and you are going to keep putting harsh chemicals in your body before you have even healed in the name of celebrating? Celebrating your birthday is great but what about celebrating having been born and staying alive and healthy? I can understand your saying that you will probably always want to get high every now and then but this life is full of choices and you may have to come to terms with the fact that you need to stay away from substances until you are completely healed. Who knows? In doing that for a while you may find that you replace the need to get high with completely different experiences.

As far as kratom goes, at least read the thread here in TDS that deals with people's difficulties with dependence. And poppy pod tea? That is presumed to be the source of the fatal dose of morphine my son accidentally overdosed on last year. He had been using it for years and thought he knew quite a bit about it.

I am not advocating that you be sober for life; that is a decision best made by every individual based on what they truly know they can handle. But I think a vacation from drugs while you heal is definitely something you should consider. Good luck and sincere best wishes on your birthday!<3

Thanks m8,

But I've been through hell and back. Lost my father a few months back. He was a doc and saved my life countless times, and I couldn't be there for him when he needed me. Cancer got him, at this point of my life I want to she safe as possible soon betray blue light. I need escape, I've been so Dow for so long, and yes I HAVE been drug free for months during the worst of my sickness. But I heed to get off my head every now and then, so you tell me what do I do ?

Join a yoga group ?
I don't think that will help.

Right now, I spend my days in bed waiting for the healing of my last surgeries, counting the clock until its time for my evening meds. I take sleeping pills in look forward to to the he small buzz I get of some temazepam. I had an enjoyable birthday period and had some 4fa/3fa not knowing how much they would dehydrate me. So I won't be doing those too often

Look, i totally know that I'm messed up in the head, I'm extremely, really low, miss the old man and have no idea where the safety line is. But I have learnt valuable lessons from the episodes I've suffered over the last 18 months. I'm just trying to warn others the horrors of where some of this leads.

So you tell me what do I do ? Try stay sober and somehow avoid depression ?

Everyone knows what any doc would tell me and for God sakes, one of the inadvertently tried to kill me through seratonin syndrome.

I'm going to sort my head out but its too soon to all the events I've been through recently. Its lucky I'm not God's and dead to be honest.

Sod this I need a beer.
 
Sorry, didn't read all of it. Is the photo your whole abdominal wall? as in, the gap is the size of half of your abdominal wall?

Apologies for the stupid question, I am curious to know how big it is, though the case is enough to scare me away from such an addiction.
 
N+ death

Hi everyone.

I came across this thread on Google, after searching some information on the effects of N+..... 4 years ago, the father of my two children died a very slow and painful death due to his 5 year addiction to this over the counter painkiller. He originally started taking them for a bad back and an operation on a broken knee cap. His addiction started almost from day one. He used to buy the packs that are now no longer available, i think they were packs of 90 or so. He went through these in two days. I kept nagging him to stop, and he would become crafty and start hiding things. I was cleaning the bedroom one day and decided to dust the top of the large cupboards. when i finally got a chair and ran a dust cloth over it, over 80 packets on N+ fell on the floor !! i was so angry. When he came home from work i confronted him, he turned it into an argument and told me he would try to cut down. He then started to pop them out and put the pills straight into his trouser pockets, but when he was sat on the sofa they would fall out and i would find them on the seat, and again get very angry as i had two small children that could of picked them up and eaten them !

His health got a lot worse and was diagnosed with Crohns disease. He had an operation to remove some blocked bowl and he was told that he had to stop taking N+ immediatly as they were one of the worse things you can take, with Crohns. He tried, but couldnt. He was sneaky, hiding things, his appetite stopped he would take so many he would come out in a rash.

I left him due to his addiction, and other issues. 15 months later he died. He had a burst bowl, and that was it. He apparently led in the hospital bed writhing around in agony before he died. I think after i left him, he just ate the N+ like sweets and because no one was there keeping an eye on things and telling him not to do it, he just swolled them down like sweets until they killed him.

Now he has left two children without their dad, which is devastating for them and i find it very difficult to accept that he was prepared to die rather than love and cherish his two lovely children. I know addictions are tough, and devestating for friends and families - but i am still very angry 4 years on that he didnt care enough to kick the habit, and think about his children who were 4 and 5 when he died.

N+ and other codiene based painkillers should be more regulated, however, its down to the individual to know when they need help if the addiction takes over.

Please come off the N+ - i know its hard, but think about how amazing life can be without them - the alternative just isnt worth thinking about ! My Ex was 32 when he died .....


I've introduced myself on the NMI thread, and been posting here for a few days now and got a lot out of this place.
Thanks for all your support.

So I thought id share my horror story with Nurofen Plus/codiene addiction her as a warning.
It almost killed me.

I've been a codiene user for 6 years and probably a a serious addict for 3 or so.

Any way, I ued to get prescribed strong 500/30 tablet painkillers for back ache.
I got a buzz out of them so I started going through my monthly prescriptions in no time.
So i would buy nurofen plus tablets. The highest codiene content tablets available her in the UK. Ibuprofen based so the harm wasn't instantly noticeable, I had omeperazole which prevented stomach ulcers but it was lower down dammage was being ddone.

Net result. Burst intestine, Burst abdominal wall,.
This was after 3rd or 4th hospital admission, also I was having kidney failure, losing protiene and potassium and other vitals in my urine.

Then I had an emergency hospital admission with serious stomach ache.
Peritonitis I was told, basically, a completely infected intestinal system.

I had to have 5 major surgwries, nd still had a huge gaping wound.
Please see pic, which is a month after healing. 2 months after surgery.
Story isn't over yet, I've just had another surgery a year later to regraft abdominal muscles, and reconstruct my abdominal wall.

The reason im telling this story, is that this can happen to many opiod users, through constipation alone so beware.

Please see picture.

I'll be happy to help where i can. A few people have been asking why im so desperate for sleep and aafter euphoria, well I hope u guys can understand now.'but please don't follow in my footsteps.

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