☠ WARNING ☠ Warning: Over the counter “Amanita Gummies” contain 4-aco-dmt

[Didgital]

so, the 'gas station drugs' are fully legal yeah?

so...must be subject to some regulation no? or is it a free for all?
am I missing something here?

They're slipping in legal/unregulated psychoactive into them. We seen tianeptine, gabapentin, 4-aco, and occasionally actual muscimol.

I was friends w the people making most of the synthetic muscimol in the us. We're not friends anymore since i outted them for making/selling 42% 7-oh-mitragynine while marketing it as 90%.

Would love to say their name, but sourcing is not allowed.

They've since switched to 4-ho-det which we starting to see in us as "legal" psilocybin replacement.

But they do it very poorly.

 

[Ismene2]

so, the 'gas station drugs' are fully legal yeah?

so...must be subject to some regulation no? or is it a free for all?
am I missing something here?

They can't be legal as food or drugs if there mislabelled. Mislabelling food products is a crime in itself.

They probably are just amantia. Here's someone who makes them and she says they're amantia.

If you’ve been in your local smokeshop lately, you might have noticed a new item on the shelves: amanita muscaria mushroom gummies. If you read up on these little guys, you might find people reporting varying effects such as euphoria or a slight uplifting feeling.

We’d stopped by our local smokeshop, CBD American Shaman, to pick up some gummies made by a company called Kruz, as the shop didn’t carry any made by Hometown Hero. The Kruz gummies were mixed berry flavor, and each of the 10 in the pack was loaded with 500 milligrams of amanita muscaria extract. The packaging said one serving was one gummy. Again, not knowing what to expect, we took half of one and chewed thoroughly as the packaging instructed. To ease us into whatever we were headed for, we hit a bowl of some THCa hemp flower.

Suddenly, our heart started racing. Our mouth felt like we’d just got done sucking on a D battery and a couple of nickels. Was this it? Were we about to start tripping a mere 15 minutes after taking just 250 milligrams of amanita? No. It was just the hemp flower, mixed with the nerves we get every time we think we’re about to trip. As the night went on, we realized we weren’t headed to the moon. We couldn’t even leave the atmosphere. The half gummy felt like a dud. The night went up in THCa smoke, and we were left wondering if these gummies could quench a psychonaut’s thirst for even the mildest of trips.

Trip Canceled: Amanita Muscaria Mushroom Gummies Aren't Magic

You can find these non-psilocybin mushroom gummies at smoke shops around North Texas. But, will they make you hallucinate?

www.dallasobserver.com

 

[Ismene2]

They're slipping in legal/unregulated psychoactive into them. We seen tianeptine, gabapentin, 4-aco, and occasionally actual muscimol.

I was friends w the people making most of the synthetic muscimol in the us. We're not friends anymore since i outted them for making/selling 42% 7-oh-mitragynine while marketing it as 90%.

Would love to say their name, but sourcing is not allowed.

They've since switched to 4-ho-det which we starting to see in us as "legal" psilocybin replacement.

But they do it very poorly.

If it's legal then why mislabel it?

Has anyone got any names of the company making these gummies?

 

[Delsyd]

If it's legal then why mislabel it?

Has anyone got any names of the company making these gummies?

It’s grey area, as it’s not explicitly illegal but would fall under the analog act. Similar to how mdpv was passed off as bath salts and cannabinoids as incense.

There’s tons of brands making these, they’re in every headshop and gas station that sells bongs.

If you go on the 4aco DMT subreddit you’ll find a lot conversation about it including specific brands

 

[Ismene2]

It’s grey area, as it’s not explicitly illegal but would fall under the analog act. Similar to how mdpv was passed off as bath salts and cannabinoids as incense.

There’s tons of brands making these, they’re in every headshop and gas station that sells bongs.

If you go on the 4aco DMT subreddit you’ll find a lot conversation about it including specific brands

The people selling "research chemical" all got 410 years in jail tho. They were charged with manslaughter for the people who died after buying the chemicals.

I would like to see a few brand names - and hear what someone who can tell the difference between psilocybin/amantia/4-aco thinks to them.

 

[Quasimoto]

The people selling "research chemical" all got 410 years in jail tho. They were charged with manslaughter for the people who died after buying the chemicals.

The US doesn't have such a comprehensive blanket drug law as the UK. RCs are legally different here. They're either scheduled, or not.

 

[Ismene2]

The US doesn't have such a comprehensive blanket drug law as the UK. RCs are legally different here. They're either scheduled, or not.

You have heard of Operation web tryp? Where they charged all the people selling RC's with killing the people who bought RC's? one got 410 years in jail - so I'd be wary of thinking they're in anyway legal

I dunno - maybe it will go on for years like research chemical suppliers did. They only all got taken down after people started dying.

 

[Juicewrldfan]

Diamon shruumz was tested and the FDA put out a warning. I don’t think they are in business anymore

 

[Didgital]

Diamon shruumz was tested and the FDA put out a warning. I don’t think they are in business anymore

Bet u a $1000 that they just morphed into another company...

 

[Didgital]

You have heard of Operation web tryp?

Yeah you keep mentioning it like you know something about it. Like you were there. Guess what?

I was.

My personal friend went down. Got charged w serious felonies prolly served a quarter of their sentence before they were released.

You irritate the shit out of me sometimes ismene. I don't think you know half of what you think you know. But keep blabbering on I'll bite my tounge.

 

[Ismene2]

so, the 'gas station drugs' are fully legal yeah?

so...must be subject to some regulation no? or is it a free for all?
am I missing something here?

Cant be legal - 4 aco is illegal and its also mislabelled so its breaking at least two laws. I'm sure there's some willing to chance it tho - it takes a while to bust people. American chemical supply was selling RC's for years before he got caught and jailed for 410 years.

Yeah you keep mentioning it like you know something about it. Like you were there. Guess what?

I was.

My personal friend went down. Got charged w serious felonies prolly served a quarter of their sentence before they were released.

You irritate the shit out of me sometimes ismene. I don't think you know half of what you think you know. But keep blabbering on I'll bite my tounge.

Yeah because clueless people like you keep spreading misinformation that RCs are legal. Y'follow?

I'm right, you're wrong. Its that simple. Just shut up already.

 

[Didgital]

Cant be legal - 4 aco is illegal and its also mislabelled so its breaking at least two laws. I'm sure there's some willing to chance it tho - it takes a while to bust people. American chemical supply was selling RC's for years before he got caught and jailed for 410 years.


Yeah because clueless people like you keep spreading misinformation that RCs are legal. Y'follow?

I'm right, you're wrong. Its that simple. Just shut up already.

Ok ismene. Just trying to help you not look like a fool or an asshole. I failed.

 

[Esperighanto]

They've since switched to 4-ho-det which we starting to see in us as "legal" psilocybin replacement.

Where I used to live in Maine has a current legalization effort around psychedelics, and ethocin got wrapped up in this as a derivative of psilocin. It is, but at the same time, what's being sold is of unknown dose and purity, and often takes the form of incredibly sketchy gummies and the sort. I first encountered ethocin in this form, and thought it was strange to see ethocin as opposed to metocin, which was far more prevalent at that time in circles commonly talking about it.

I first saw ethocin on the market from a Chinese chemist who claimed it was being made due to a precursor acquisition issue at a laboratory in China, and was intended as a "replacement" for metocin. I've no evidence to back up anything about that.

What I'm curious about, is just why ethocin? I've consistently found 4-substituted tryptamines have a unique character, ethocin vs miprocin vs psilacetin are all dramatically different drugs for me and those I've used them with. Why not just grow 50 monotubs full of APEs and then cook your gray market products using extracts a la Psilocybin Mushroom Chef Cookbook by K. Mandrake and Virginia Haze? Then you're delivering the promised experience (psilocin or an esther thereof) without compromising quality, and they could hypothetically do so quite discretely only requiring bulk substrate and water for the mass cultivation efforts.

 

[Didgital]

claimed it was being made due to a precursor acquisition issue at a laboratory in China, and was intended as a "replacement" for metocin

Yeah.. that doesn't really make sense to me. Synthetically speaking, both metocin and ethocin follow the exact same synthetic route. One step would use methyethylamine and the other diethylamine. I'm not fan of the DETs, though I liked that 4-ho-det was relatively short.

 

[Esperighanto]

Synthetically speaking, both metocin and ethocin follow the exact same synthetic route. One step would use methyethylamine and the other diethylamine. I'm not fan of the DETs, though I liked that 4-ho-det was relatively short.

I've only used 4-HO-DET and not N,N-DET nor any 5-substituted variants, but ethocin relative to miprocin and psilacetin seemed pretty boring, but maybe good for combinations, I'm not sure. I need to get to know it better, though I may sacrifice some to the vaporization gods to see how it is vaped.

The vendor implied that essentially the methylethylamine was being substituted with diethylamine due to a precursor acquisition issue on the lab's end, and sent me an extra g of ethocin free as a sort of consolation for sending a different product than was originally agreed upon.

I'm still so curious, why people would not just grow fungi and would instead use a rare RC like ethocin, when they're aiming at the well documented psilocin/psilacetin, you know? It seems like an unexpected move, I suppose.

 

[Didgital]

I've only used 4-HO-DET and not N,N-DET nor any 5-substituted variants, but ethocin relative to miprocin and psilacetin seemed pretty boring, but maybe good for combinations, I'm not sure. I need to get to know it better, though I may sacrifice some to the vaporization gods to see how it is vaped.

The vendor implied that essentially the methylethylamine was being substituted with diethylamine due to a precursor acquisition issue on the lab's end, and sent me an extra g of ethocin free as a sort of consolation for sending a different product than was originally agreed upon.

I'm still so curious, why people would not just grow fungi and would instead use a rare RC like ethocin, when they're aiming at the well documented psilocin/psilacetin, you know? It seems like an unexpected move, I suppose.

Well you yourself said that many of these are unique. That alone might inspire some curiosity. And they are unique enough that one might actually prefer an RC to actual mushrooms. I've never had anything but positive euphoria and easy communication with 4-HO-MET. It also has very distinct visuals IME from psilocybin. Psilocybin can go either way headspace-wise.

I would def agree that ethocin is the most boring of the 4 subs tho I also could know my DETs much better.

 

[Pfafffed]

Hard disagree. I've only had two experiences with 4-AcO-DET and they were both perfectly lovely. I held off for years because of the mixed reviews. Also noteworthy, all 4-HO/AcO subs seem to have the same duration for me including 4-AcO-DET.

4-HO-MALT, however, is dull as can be. Not unpleasant, but just the most basic of trips. And 4-HO-DiPT? It was special for Morninggloryseed, but it's never done much for me.

 

[TheChin]

If a gummy has 4-ACO-DMT in it, you ought to be able to taste it, provided you chew the gummy. 4-ACO-DMT has a very particular taste - bitter and metallic - that you can't miss.

 

[Didgital]

If a gummy has 4-ACO-DMT in it, you ought to be able to taste it, provided you chew the gummy. 4-ACO-DMT has a very particular taste - bitter and metallic - that you can't miss.

Uh... you should start making money with that tongue if you can differentiate tryptamines based off taste.

I will say AMT had a bit of a fishy tryptamine smell/taste

 

[Ismene2]

Ok ismene. Just trying to help you not look like a fool or an asshole. I failed.

If you wont believe me about gas station drugs, believe this guy.