☠ WARNING ☠ Warning: Mislabeled Batch of 2C-B-Fly That Has Caused Deaths

[vidaverde]

Please do not take this at all!!!!!

No dosage is safe obviously.

Joanmiro has to go through serious medical testing to make sure he will be ok and not loose his extremities!!! We are all verry concerned!

Think about not having your extremities... Or your life...
Think about worrying about if you will have them or br alive even weeks after taking it!

All the clarification you need is on these forums.
the choice is clear flush and live or keep and put your wellbeing at risk... not to mention your family and friends!!!

this is very very serious!

 

[Feste]

My aMT is from him & I know a few other who have brought from the same source.

No one has had any issues.

 

[Voltech]

I received this morning the graphics of the GC/MS from Energycotnrol:

The result of the batch "b1" from HaputRC is: bromodragonfly=95% & derivates (synth-subproducts) <5%

here we go:



The best think you can do with this batch is throw it to trash.

 

[Shakti]

Thanks for sharing voltech. Any idea what the impurities are?

 

[vecktor]

I received this morning the graphics of the GC/MS from Energycotnrol:

The result of the batch "b1" from HaputRC is: bromodragonfly=95% & derivates (synth-subproducts) <5%

here we go:



The best think you can do with this batch is throw it to trash.

thanks for posting that.

before getting too carried away people should bear in mind that GC-MS only 'sees' volatile and heat stable impurities, and depending on the sample preparation things get lost..

 

[moniorojo]

In what sense, and can you be more specific? Is the "chinese lab" known? Obviously don't write it here....

In the sense that Chinese authorities will enforce laws that will put Chinese labs in a situation that will require them to either move to another country or start working ilegally(underground

I received this morning the graphics of the GC/MS from Energycotnrol:

The result of the batch "b1" from HaputRC is: bromodragonfly=95% & derivates (synth-subproducts) <5%

Can anyone interpret those graphs?!

 

[psood0nym]

Thanks! Now we just need someone who knows how to read it to tell us what the byproducts most likely are according to known synthesis routes and weather they're toxic enough to be dangerous beyond the inherent dangers of bromo-DFly (vecktor?). Why less than or equal to 5 percent impurity instead of a narrower range? Is 5 percent as accurate as can be quantified due to the limitations of the test?

 

[Voltech]

Thanks! Now we just need someone who knows how to read it to tell us what the byproducts most likely are according to known synthesis routes and weather they're toxic enough to be dangerous beyond the inherent dangers of bromo-DFly (vecktor?). Why less than or equal to 5 percent impurity instead of a narrower range? Is 5 percent as accurate as can be quantified due to the limitations of the test?

With this graphics you cann't know what byproducts this are.

You need tu know the atoms of the byproducts and then assamble it into a molecule that make sense.

If the byproducts ar 5%, and the active dossage of brdrgfly is 0,3 mg to 1 mg.
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/bromo_dragonfly/bromo_dragonfly_dose.shtml

It means that 5% of (0,3 - 1mg) is: 0,015 - 0,05 mg or 15 - 50 ug.

one of the guys take 18mg. = 900ug. of byproducts.

I think no toxic substance schould kill you at this dossage. I think the people died from a overdose of brdrgfly, not because the byproducts.

The quality of RC from China normally are 98%. This brdrgfly have a regular quality, not different like the majority of RC that we buy.

For example: I have a batch of analyzed 2CB. The result was 97% 2CBhcl and 3% Acetyl-2cb

 

[cegli]

Was a mass spectrum of the two impurities taken?

For people who don't understand the pictures, basically the top picture is the gas cromatography, showing the amount of each compound (if it can be vaporized and is stable while vaporized) in the sample. The bigger the hump, the more of it is in the sample.

The second picture is the mass spectrometry of the first hump, which can be used to identify what the first hump in the first picture is. It is pretty clearly Bromo Dragonfly by comparing it to the DEA mass spec of Bromo-DFly.

What we don't have is the Mass Spectrometry of the two other humps, which could be used to see what the impurities are. So no one will be able to tell is what the impurities are until the Mass Specs are posted.

 

[Snapinho]

Has anyone around here ever had a positive experience from BDF?

Actually, I have. Tried 400 ug and had a good enough time. Took ages for me to come down though, couldn't really sleep at +12 (10 am) after ingestion, had some really really light half-assed sleep after which I had to drive home for two hours in an unheated car, in a thunderstorm. I've never been so happy to arrive safely home.

Drove 50 mph (for you non-metricals out there) all the way, on the right side of the road. But wait, I'm offtopic.

Tried it once, wouldn't want to repeat it, mainly because of all those stories of vasoconstriction as a main side-effect, but also because this just takes too long for my liking.

Have some lying at home that I'm sure I won't do again.

 

[Sustanon]

I think its confused with something else. What is it with these swedish/ Danish girls dying all the time? Happened so many times with RC's (4mmc for example).

 

[delsymfan]

So we have 95% pure Bromo-DragonFLY?

That sounds... well, usable.

Im just being open and honest here. I think the lab probably did a decent enough job, and figured they were doing what was ordered. The language barrier simply created a problem. They made BDF, thinking thats what DH wanted. And he wanted something else.

And so, we now have a substance that is useful at 200ug or so. And Erowid has several decent reports of such...

I'd be willing to give 200ug a try. I understand the concern around the chemical but these tests seem to suggest people have simply been OD'ing on a potent chemical.

 

[moniorojo]

I think its confused with something else. What is it with these swedish/ Danish girls dying all the time? Happened so many times with RC's (4mmc for example).

I don't know what's wrong with these northern europeans. They seem pretty reasonable people for everything except RCs.

 

[vecktor]

So we have 95% pure Bromo-DragonFLY?

That sounds... well, usable.

Im just being open and honest here. I think the lab probably did a decent enough job, and figured they were doing what was ordered. The language barrier simply created a problem. They made BDF, thinking thats what DH wanted. And he wanted something else.

And so, we now have a substance that is useful at 200ug or so. And Erowid has several decent reports of such...

I'd be willing to give 200ug a try. I understand the concern around the chemical but these tests seem to suggest people have simply been OD'ing on a potent chemical.

Language barrier my arse, CAS numbers are international and I have never come across a lab who didn't ask either for full structural information and a CAS number if available.


GC-MS will only show things that are volatile and that are soluble in the extraction preparation solvent, and it could be worse than that, if the preperation for analysis was the standard non polar extration of basified solution all acidic and neutral compounds would not make it as far as the GC-MS.


If you are so determined to eat this stuff go ahead eat it and stop pissing around here looking for someone to say that is a sensible thing to do, because it is not.

 

[Snapinho]

I concur with Vecktor here, can't think of a single good reason to still want to try this stuff, other than being cheap and not wanting to give up on something you've already paid for.

Why you'd want to run a potentially fatal risk for some research chemical you could order at some other crossing in the time-space continuum is completely beyond me.

Before I create more confusion... wasn't there a post of someone who'd had a terrible trip on just 1 mg. of this stuff?

 

[moniorojo]

Before I create more confusion... wasn't there a post of someone who'd had a terrible trip on just 1 mg. of this stuff?

Yeah. We've been waiting on that for a while but the guys who took 1 mg seem busy drinking from what barstool hooligan mentioned some posts ago...

 

[Voltech]

the spanish guy "antoniomiro" took between 1 and 5mg. and was 75h. tryping. Yesterday I spook with the doctor who is supporting this guy. She told me nobody schould beginng to do selftests with small dossages, and nobody should have the stupid idea sell this BDF as Liquid or put it into blotters...

If they are more deaths, police will find you for sure!

 

[Shakti]

Has anyone around here ever had a positive experience from BDF?

I've had two. Was my first RC as a matter of fact. It's not even near my favorite. It's near the bottom of my list, but I don't regret taking it. It was very useful when it found me.

Though, I wouldn't recommend people take this stuff. The potency combined with the therapeutic margin is too risky for most people to handle on their own.

 

[Snapinho]

I have a question.

If these deaths and heavy trips are the result of (mere) BDF overdoses, would tachycardia, cardic arrests and hypothermia be logical results of vasoconstriction?

As fas as I know the biggest problems that arose with the BDF 'victims' all included major vasoconstrictory issues... and so far I have heard of no one complaining about vasoconstriction.

What gives?

 

[moniorojo]

from wikipedia

When blood vessels constrict, the flow of blood is restricted or decreased, thus, retaining body heat or increasing vascular resistance. Cutaneously, this makes the skin turn paler because less blood reaches the surface, preventing the radiation of heat.

This would explain the hypothermia I think, I may be wrong though, I'm no expert