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WAR of the RIGS - Who makes the best Syringe?

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PhreeX

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Ok, over my years I have used just about EVERY BRAND of syringe out there.... well, lets have a WAR OF THE RIGS!
B&D 1cc 29g 'Ultra-Fine'
My personal vote - The Becton & Dickson, 29g 'Ultra-Fine' (1cc) syringe .... no shots please, I like the long needle so I can fish around for those veins deep below the surface...
This is not just a syringe - it's a WORK OF ART! I ALWAYS inspect my new rigs and I have had only a FEW (less then 10 out of over 2,000) that had burs - this is the biggest problem ... but looking past that - you get a wonderfull tool.... that nice rear end cap is PERFECT for holding enough fluid for your entire procedure ... the plunger slids SO EASILY in the barrel and the constructon is good... overall the needle will stay good and sharp for about 3 uses,at which point you best just toss them or sell them to ravers .. I only use mine once or twice but junkies favor B&D as you can use them many times before it's actually so dull it hurts....
Loading is easy - unlike another brand I will discuss you have good suction so you can draw up all your fluid with one, slow drag on the plunger...
The actually breaking of the skin - it feels like I was tickeled by a hot girl with a feather between her toes! Yes, if you're not a total idiot the 29g rig can be used andyou caneasily forget you're supposed to feel something!
I give the B&D 1cc 29g
'Ultra-Fine' Single Use Insulin Syringe a perfect 10 rating! Fuck a 10-pack, got for a box of 100.... it's fun shooting dope, it's even more fun with this syringe!
Walgreens 29g 1cc Syringe
The second syringe I will review is the Walgreens brand 29g 1cc Single Use Insulin Syringe ... these fair decent but thre are some issues - first off, they just started packaging them without the end caps but each in it's own wrapper .. the problem? Well shit, yer mom might wonder why you have 20 wrappers in your trashcan that say "Single use insulin syringe" .. without thta endcap you need something to hold fluid in - not a BIG PROBLEM but it CAN BE if yer fixing on the road or in a public restroom (I do NOT ENDORSE SHOOTING UP IN GAS STATION RESTROOMS!) .. the needles are CLEARLY not made of a surgical steal to the same degree the Becton & Dickson ones are as these bull after you use them twice - I mean, to poke and suddenly that third one HURTS .. probably not goodf for the veins.... the biggest problem is that you don't have the good 'suction' you do with the B&D's - that is, even though yer sucking up water from your resivour to prep, you end up getting a lot of air and often have to "flip and flick" then draw again...
The breaking point? When I had tow of them 'jam' - there was no particle in the rig, but something lodged itself in the path of the needle - the first time I thought it might havebeen a particle, but the secondtime it happened when I was drawing up saline directly from my phgarmacy bottle - NO PARTICLES .. suddenly the pluger wont push down, I mean, I had ti use fucking FORCE before you get several sprays in difefernt directions .. someone said it's actually plastic from the placement of the needle (they crimp the end of the syringe around the needle, the idea is some plastic gets lose) ... FEAR NOT! The one time this happened whe I had a 'hot rig' I simply removed the plunger and drew all the fluid out, put it in another rig and went about my way ..
I give these bastard factories a 4 out of 10 - they are cheap but they SUCK .. scratch that, they get a 3 out of 10, the fact that they 'jam' coukld lead to someonebeing really rough and collapsing a vein!
Of course these are the cheapest of them all - a box of 100 for $13 ... then again, out of the first 10 I used, 2 had burs... I still have about 85 of these in my closet ..
B&D 27g 1cc Syruinge with removable Needle
For some reason I like these... yeah, 27g is a bit large and it's best to always use totally new gear - but these, let the Ultra-Fines, have such SMOOTH ACTION ... even with such a large needle it's like a kiss from an angel ... most everything said about the first B&D rigs can be said about these - the differences? They come packed in singles, no end cao, and the needle is removable... they then sell boxes of 100 needles for like $4.78 ... so as long as you clean the rig out good each time, these bring the B&D quality to you at a price any junky can afford!
As a side note - so far, ZERO BURS! These needles are of the HIGHEST QUALITY as well .. of course they dont dull as easy because they are larger, but you can get 3-5 shots and you can hardly feel it slip in (a lot like sex with me, you dont know it's in until I'm done with the injetion!)
Welp, thats it for my reviews.. I have used MANY, MANY, MANY others but I cant think of any off hand .... does anyone else have anything to add?
 
I haven't used the new Walgreen's syringes yet, but before they were comparable to B&D in my opinion. My only complaint about Walgreen's syringes is they do tend to stick sometimes. As far as dulling, I never found they dulled any quicker than B&D. Right now the rigs I'm using are B&D 1cc 29 gauge single use syringe, and I'm going to stick with them.
 
[EDIT - I deleted his response, pleasedont even reply to nonhsense like that!]
I've been using the B&D but they're spendy. I pay about $23/box of 100 at the local costco- about the same price at the local pharmacy by the box.
King Soopers- Kroger brand foods. Kroger makes a 100ul 29gauge insulin syringe. I just bought a box today for $13!!! Half price! They have a short needle though- kind of a draw back since I've become accustomed to the longer needles on the B&D. NOt sure if they make a longer needle version- gut feeling is yes- and I just got a moron behind the counter today- surprise.
The construction is not as refined as the B&D but I find the action is actually much MUCH easier on the Kroger cheapies. And fuck! The price you just can't beat. I really try not to use my needles more than once (except when I run out), so re-use really isn't much of an issue for me.
I'd really like to start using a Luer lok syringe with separate needles so I can employ some wheel filters to filter my gear.
Anyone else using wheel filters? .2 um filtration- kind of a LOT of piece of mind with dirty ass street drugs.
doc
[ 29 August 2002: Message edited by: PhreeX ]
 
I like T-Suline (It's a German syringe (I'm not sure), it's easy to find it in my country).it's a 27g 1cc syringe (removable needle).And it's the best syringe I've ever seen.
 
In all the time i've been banging, I've only ever come across one maybe two kinds. B&D ultra fine 29g is all i basically ever see. For some reason i have this hazy cloudy memory of 31g, a loooong time ago, but that could be wrong. Mind you, i live in sydney australia, so that could have something to do with that fact i dont see other brands.
 
Originally posted by Dr.groveller:

careful what you wish for...
doc
honestly though, i doubt id ever be able to get that syringe in my arm, gettin blood tests make me turn white, but like doc says, maybe its for the best...
P.S. telling my friends who shoot to try B&D 1cc 29g 'Ultra-Fine' syringes after hearing phreex ranting about it, said it was the BEST syringe they ever used...
[ 30 August 2002: Message edited by: inhale rocks ]
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Do people really resell used syringes? Dear god thats evil. Pretty damn sure that doesn't happen around here (I see them taking the rigs our of the same sealed ten packs local needle exchanges) but that is a fucking scary thought.
PhreeX I know that you have no problem with theft, fraud etc.. but you take your friends to the hospital I thought you had some decency. Please tell me that if you ever resell needles you at least do a good job cleaning them first (so you are only evil and not actually satanic).
Hey our local exchanges give B-D and a choice of gauges ain't life grand.
PhreeX did you delete a post by Neks? I can't see what groveler could have said that would be so much stupider. Neks first of all PhreeX is recomending syringes not because they have frilly pink lace but because they actually work better. Even srupider is the fact that you manage to object to a thread as boring while at the same time objecting that the earlier post is merely a matter of opinion.
[ 31 August 2002: Message edited by: quale ]
 
voodookid, come in and see me at the drug users org - nuaa - 45 bedford st, newtown, and i can show you some other ones, and specialty items like micron bacterial and pill filters which most nsps don't supply, but which make life much better if you can get them.
the syringe of choice at 9 out of 10 needle exchanges in Australia, and my prferred model, is the Terumo 27 gauge (greybacks). The hole in the arm is bigger, yes, but I find the action much easier than BD's, although if you work the plunger a bit in the BD before starting it is better. flow rate is much faster on the terumo 27, so less chance of losing the vein.
next most popular, and again i go with the crowd, is the BD 29, already listed here. these are ther two picks that most oz-e nsps disribute, but god help you if you try and cut out either contract.
Terumo also has a fine 29 gauge, but the action and flow rate are not as good as either the BD29 or the T27.
Yes, voodoo, there were once 31g, they're called microfines, virtually no mark on the arm, but no good for anything except good quality smack as the flow rate can't handle thicker liquids at all.
different priorities for aussie users though, i think i've maybe re-used about 5 syringes out of maybe 10000. single-use can actually be that here, if you're organised enough (at least in the cities, access in some rural areas is pretty crappy.)
lastly, its not a boring thread, and not just an issue of personal preference - i run safe using workshops with users all the time, and many don't know about things like gauge, which has a massive impact on vein care.
[ 02 September 2002: Message edited by: mibrane ]
 
Dear god kristofire. You better be IMing with that gauge. I have to ask what? The only think I can think of is Ketamine.
I am just curious if you don't want to answer don't.
 
I give the 1cc B&D 29 Gauge my vote. They are the perfect size and the pluger action is very easy. The Terumo 27 Gauge gets my second place. They are often the only ones that I can get and though I haven't had any real problems with them I just find that sometimes the plunger is a bit stiff. I keep on trying to remember to work it a bit before as mibrane said but I always forget until it is too late and I am sitting there having trouble pulling it back (the fact that I have TINY hands does not really help much either).
:)
 
Quale.... ummm, i think PhreeX was being the sarcastic fucker he is and pullin ya leg about reselling syringes! heh heh.
But yeah, i've only used two types of rigs and the 1cc B&D 29 Gauge seems to be the best by far. Not so easy to get hear in the UK though... i've only found a couple of pharmacies that will sell them to me.
[ 03 September 2002: Message edited by: mashedpotatohead ]
 
A 23g spike? d00d, tell me thats not a regular practice or that you were joking... I mean, I damn sure hope you alternate sites with a needle that big!
As for Wal-greens brand - yeah, they are really the same as the B&D (the rear end cap is ORANGE instead of CLEAR) .. the big difference - and the problem I have with them: the pluger isn't nearly as smooth as the B&D, AND I have come across a few with burs out-of-the-box, thats unacceptable .. they are also only about .40 cheeper (per 10 pack) so I opt for the B&D ...
Originally posted by quale:
Do people really resell used syringes? Dear god thats evil. Pretty damn sure that doesn't happen around here (I see them taking the rigs our of the same sealed ten packs local needle exchanges) but that is a fucking scary thought.
PhreeX I know that you have no problem with theft, fraud etc.. but you take your friends to the hospital I thought you had some decency. Please tell me that if you ever resell needles you at least do a good job cleaning them first (so you are only evil and not actually satanic).
Um, do I REALLY need to use <sarcasam> brackets? C'mon, selling used rigs? The "candyraver" part should have given it away... I used to carry a box of 100 syringes and I'd gladly sell NEW syringes for a quarter - it was really disturbing to see people using these syringes with ALL the print rubbed off, tinted a brownish/grey color from the fluids that had once occupied it... when asked "man how long have you been using that?" I would often hear "oh, a few weeks" .. and these were people that would fix many times daily.. when they would go to break the skin you could SEE the difficulty as rather then easily pierce the skin it would kinda push the skin in then with force it would break through..
What do I do with my used rigs? I cap them, put them back in the bag (10 per bag as they come) and stuff them inside something like a fast food drink cup (with lid) .. it goes in the trash .. yeah, thats not the "proper way" but whatever - the trashman empties the can into the truck and from there it's burried in a landfill .. when at shooters parties and people would see me only use a rig a couple times I was often asked if I would give them away - believe it or not, I wouldn't because that practice really disturbs me... yeah, you can bleach and just about reduce any risk of transfering nasties, and I know I am free of all those nasties (I'm paranoid and get tested for EVERYTHING every few months - I get bit by a mosquito and STILL fear getting AIDS, though they say it's "not possible") ...
ONLY ONCE did I offer used rigs and that was to this nutty guy "Bob" .. he didnt have any rigs and I had just sold him some meth - I didnt have any rigs but some of my used ones (which I always clean with water after use/before trashing) and I gave it to him but made it damn clear it had been USED BY ME, only me, that I was disease free, but that I would feel more comfortable if I saw him bleach it before using - he did, and while it wasnt something I was glad to do he had no problem with it... rumor is he already was host to Hep C (or b? the incurable and fatal one) as well as HIV ...
Yes, I deleted some replies from this thread - namely totally off-topic shit like someone saying "I wish I could shoot up" and a reply from someone that added nothing but simply said this thread as "boring" (if it's not of intrest then ignore it and let it die get burried in the forum) ..
[ 04 September 2002: Message edited by: PhreeX ]
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I guess I've been a lucky guy with my shooting career thus far. I've always used BD 30G1 Precision Glides on a BD 1 mL syringe. The syringes are individually wrapped so there is no convenient endcap, which would certainly be nice as I think of it. But all the same, these were all free complements of my lab and I certainly got enough to last me a good bit. Even when I was a complete newbie no mark lasted longer than an hour with these smooth little puppies.
 
I got some from Duane Reed pharmacy & they SUCK! , VERY stiff, & like 3 got blocked somehow, they get 2 out of 10. blah!
 
Just got a new brand and tried it out (so if you don't understand this you know why..) called "Kendall Monoject" 29 ga 1/2 in. The action is smoother then BD's but it's far more painful then BDs. They're single packed, but I think I may prefer these, need more time with them. They're also quite a bit more thick, and noticably heavier. They have more aesthetic appeal. The cap can be replaced without touching the needle itself, which is nice.
 
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