Want to quit painkillers but don`t have reasons to stay away and miserable

Max2x

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Hello,

I`m a 23 year old male and live in a small and poor country. I have been secretly addicted to various painkillers, mainly hydrocodone for 4 years. I feel miserable and suicidal (again).

I want some encouragement although it seems silly to write something on the internet to expect words of kindeness and such. But I will be very thankful.

Addictions are psychological, so I`m going to describe me.

I don`t somehow belong and my enviornment and past keeps annoying me, like pop-up windows of annoying thoughts constantly appearing at an exhausting rate that are repeating themselves. I have tried meditation, but what somewhat shuts my internal dialogue is extremes, like skydiving or (very) occasional psychedelics. So any new experience. Seems like ADD symptoms, but adult ADD medication is unheard of here. (all drugs, even mj are very feared, i`v seen screaming relatives with bone injuries in agony given ibuprofein)

With painkillers, things just don`t bother me. This may sound cliche, but I have pain which I can`t locate. It was there before I did drugs. Painkillers filled a hole that was always there. Most of the time without drugs, I try hard to appear normal (do a pretty good job too) but I want to scream. I don`t talk of my depression anymore because it makes people uncomfortable and comes off as selfish. I live in a very introverted culture. The weird thing is, when I talk of negative emotions around sober people, they become quiet and weird, but the same people, when drunk, become really empathic. I have discovered that talking only helps on quite rare occasions with some people.

I don`t want to blame anyone, but I keep seeing and hearing how all people talk about is how to make more money, have more power. `It`s a game and winning is all that matters`, I hear a lot. This makes me think of how alone everyboy actually is and somehow this logic turns to justification for using pain pills.

Coincidentally, I see the world as a more and more lonely place. A friend whom I share an apartment with discovered me crying today. I guess he wanted to help and without listening suggested I take life more like a game and that I read "how to make friends and influence people" (I have read that) Then he became arrogant and boasted how good he is all the time. He has previously seriously suggested I should "be more psychopatic". (that actually cheered me later when I was better) Also, 2 of my best friends have changed a lot, they seem to become dissapointed in life and "don`t care anymore". New people (grown ups) at work claim to be taking life lessons from gossip girl.

I try hard to fit in with society and could be considered a beneficial member for some work. But I feel just wrong. There`s a big gap of how I feel and how I appear to be, has always been. I don`t know how to lose the gap, but under pain meds, things just don`t annoy me anymore. I may be weak for using them and want to quit to save some money. I really don`t know if I use because the society doesen`t fit me or the other way around.

I feel best during some but not all parties (I socialise once a week, maybe less), when I can hang out with people I can`t see during the week. Also, drunk people are way more tolerable to me. Not a huge regular drinker myself actually, alcohol is a dirty high.

But sometimes, I feel really bad, I just want to black out, so I drink with benzos or z drugs. I`v been admitted to the hospital for benzo and alcohol overdose where I don`t remember how I got there 4 times. I think these institutions aren`t for helping rather than for isolating people here. I left worse than I came there. I`m ashamed of these incidences although concurrently I feel I have done no wrong cause I was in pain and just wanted an escape. I shouldn`t have been even taken there, I know the dose wouldn`t have killed me. Ok, I probably should have made sure nobody walked in.

Just came out of a xanax addiction with my doctor`s help and tapering. Not concerned about relapsing, they are not that good. I couldn`t quit xanax, because of the physical withdrawls. I can and have many times quit pain pills, gone trough wd, but I can`t stay away from them because they have become a part of my personality. I will be soon moving to go to a university. I should work for my future but actually i`m sceptic weather anything I do will make worthwile. Losing hope. Even when I should logically be ok, I am really not. I know there are people with worse situations than a medicore hydrocodone addiction. I`m asking for advice because to my knowledge I don`t know anyone experienced on the subject of addiction.

Is there any advice?
 
Sounds alot like my situation.. different, but the same problem....

Honestly I don't know. Most people deal with shit sober because they dont have/arent aware of another option... people like us know there is something that can 'help' us deal with everything... I guess the key is you are starting to see beyond the short term... You say you have no reason to - but there is absolutely a reason why you want to stop. You are maybe just on the edge of realising this. You want to get out even if you can't rationalise it yet.

Sorry I can't reallly give an answer.. I still haven't solved the puzzle.. although I feel like I'm getting there finally. But at least know that there are other people like you out there. I don't know anyone else addicted to anything. It's hard being alone/addicted in secret, isnt it? But keep going... The thing is you can't predict the future, so considering suicide is denying the possibility that things may change in the future. No matter how impossible that seems you just can't predict what's going to happen... and as hard as it is, you'd be crazy to throw away even the tiniest possibility that things could be better. That's how I see things now anyhow. Sorry, I hope that helps. I feel your pain.
 
OP, I think that you are bigger than your life and the setting for your life. It doesn't fit you. Nothing is more sure to make you feel depressed and crazy and have the full weight of existential loneliness crush you every waking hour than needing to change your life. The opiates just do what alcohol does for others--temporarily dulls the pain. I don't know how old you are or what your circumstances are but remember that you are in charge--not your parents or your friends or your culture or your government. This is a great big world and most of us are afraid to get too far outside of what we know, what is familiar--even when that is constricting us to the point of suffocation. 100 years ago, people still felt comfortable simply taking to the road and walking (literally) away. If skydiving calms your internal chatter, you may need more intense experiences that physically bring you to that point. What about rock-climbing or surfing or some other form of physical activity that engages all your senses?

Making peace with our separateness, with loneliness, is paradoxically how we clear the heart for true connection. When the heart is full of unquenchable longing and need, there is little room for the selflessness required to love. And to be truly loved, you have to truly love. I am almost 60. I spent many years struggling through this maze of thoughts and emotions. I also did not fit my culture. Finding ways to define myself and my life within it and taking frequent long breaks away from it has been empowering. It takes patience, courage and faith to build a home deep within yourself but once you do, it is yours. You have a solid place to stand and the hole inside proves to have been a mirage that you took as reality.<3
 
temporary soul damage by opiates

Thanks you so very much for the replies, made my day a lot better. :) Writing it down helped more than I expected. This sort of double life feels mentally tiring, a fancy name for that is cognitve dissonance.

Walking away is exactly what I'm going to do. In a few months. I said I will be moving to go to university. It is actually in a different country, UK, London. Leaving because the only good place where I could study what I want here, I know the people who teatch and I don't like them personally. I finished high school 4 years ago, worked a creative job and took some evening classes until now.

But I'm terrified it won't work out and I'll be even lonelier and find a way to use there. :( And do something financially stupid. And the pain of the past will remain. I really want to substitute my opiate addiction for becoming immersed in creative and intellectual pursuits and real quality relationships. But the tranquilty of the drug is hard to rival and sadly my efforts so far seem to fail. But I'll keep on trying.

I have so many good memories with opiates where they make everything better in every way, it is hard to forget. And I still for some reason consider my life before them of less quality with no control of depression. I know there should be another way than to chemically erase just negative sensory information.

Looked at pictures of myself today. Drugs haven't made me uglier but the look in my eyes has changed. From childlike to distant, like a bit disconnected from my surroundings. Maybe they really do temporarily destroy the soul (as an empirical concept). :? Before them, I cried a lot. But at some point, had more bad life experiences and I sort of found there was nobody to cry to who would care or understand any. So I wanted to become disconnected from humanity, not be emotionally involved even, to concentrate more on my work and lots of intellectual interests without distracting thaugts and pain interfering. I quess I got what I wanted and was even lucky not to ruin my life while doing it. The price was money I could tolerate and occasional wd.

But I have always thaugt there's fairness to life, reality is a reflection of myself. So the meanness, corruption, ignorance etc that made me want to disconnect from humanity must have been in myself somehow.

Recently had a discussion about drugs with friends. Someone said that whatever you do, don't do opiates, they are too good (he hadn't tried). I agreed because I wanted best for my friends but nobody knew I was under the influence right there, even pinned pupils. I don't know if I was right or wrong.
 
Interesting that you mention some of that...

I am a very childish looking person naturally.. the opiates.. they have aged me alot. Because of the way I looked to start I don't look 'old' but I look oldER.. and I feel old as hell.
I dont think they destroy the soul.. they just cloud/dull it... The fact that you're here saying these things shows that you are still in there somewhere beneath.

I think you were right. I wish someone had properly warned me away from them. Of course I think only people like us are attracted to the opiate buzz... Other people like other things I guess.

Keep at it... and dont give up if you get off but then end up back on it. You're on the path back... and the person you are will pull you through it all eventually, if your words have said anything about how you are.

Given what's about to happen in your life.. I'd recommend getting clean *BEFORE* you go away. I know you probably wont/wont want to.. But If you get clean, over the withdrawals/etc.. Then throw yourself into a new environment.. You can immerse yourself , and you will be so disconnected from your past life. It would probably be good.

That said.. again I want to say it.. If you fuckup after getting clean, dont get annoyed and say youll throw everything away.. its just a temporary slip. Its been years since I was clean. But I keep coming back to the same conclusion, and I can't fault it. So I'm trying again after failing 5-6 times. Just keep bashing at that wall till you break through.
 
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