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Wales bans e-cigarettes
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BrassEye
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Interesting.
I love smoking tobacco, there's something about e-cigs I find unsettling and sinister.
After tobacco advertising was banned.. all those extra billions sloshing around in the pockets of big tobacco.. hmmm.
Also the idea of my 'cigarette' running out of batteries is just not one i'm prepared to live with 8(
I love smoking tobacco, there's something about e-cigs I find unsettling and sinister.
After tobacco advertising was banned.. all those extra billions sloshing around in the pockets of big tobacco.. hmmm.
Also the idea of my 'cigarette' running out of batteries is just not one i'm prepared to live with 8(
I think it's fair enough to stop people using them in enclosed public spaces, but they absolutely are a good thing and people shouldn't be afraid of them as a way to stop smoking.
I mix my own ecig liquid, at 5.2mg/ml nicotine (lower than what most retail manufacturers refer to as 'low') and I've spent about 75 quid on raw materials for the liquid in the last 2 years. That would be a weeks worth of cigarettes in my old habit. I quit smoking instantly the day I got the ecig.
Using them in a place like a restaurant or shop is just plain rude! Outside or at home, fine though.
I mix my own ecig liquid, at 5.2mg/ml nicotine (lower than what most retail manufacturers refer to as 'low') and I've spent about 75 quid on raw materials for the liquid in the last 2 years. That would be a weeks worth of cigarettes in my old habit. I quit smoking instantly the day I got the ecig.
Using them in a place like a restaurant or shop is just plain rude! Outside or at home, fine though.
foolsgold
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jesus christ what are they going to leave us with
Vurtual
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Fucking wales. Enclosed public places (pubs/restaurants/workplaces) already can and do ban vaping - making it a law is bollocks. Some bigwig scientist on the telly just now said passive vaping 'causes no harm' (there's no nicotine in it) - so what the fuck (welsh government simpered: 'but the WHO and the BMA say we should do it' - I smell the influence of the pharma industry who must lose a packet on their ineffective expensive NRT to the chinese and small vendors)
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The same people producing e-cigs are the 'big tobacco' industry so I'm not sure you are right on this Vurt. They don't have the support of the cancer orgs either so I think it's simplistic to say its because of people like WHO and BMA. "The jury's out" is the attitude there.
Personally, and this really is my own idiosyncratic view, I think it's a good thing. As Ceres said, vaping an e-cig in a public space is just rude (and that's all this bans). I think e-cigs are just another money maker for big tobacco and the way I see people puffing on them the second they get out of their car, whatever, is no different to any B&H smoker I've seen (or been).
Smoking is a pointless exercise to produce profits for people I'd rather take a machine gun too. There. Said it was an idiosyncratic view didn't I?
New flavours, no high? Get ta fuck.
The same people producing e-cigs are the 'big tobacco' industry so I'm not sure you are right on this Vurt. They don't have the support of the cancer orgs either so I think it's simplistic to say its because of people like WHO and BMA. "The jury's out" is the attitude there.
Personally, and this really is my own idiosyncratic view, I think it's a good thing. As Ceres said, vaping an e-cig in a public space is just rude (and that's all this bans). I think e-cigs are just another money maker for big tobacco and the way I see people puffing on them the second they get out of their car, whatever, is no different to any B&H smoker I've seen (or been).
Smoking is a pointless exercise to produce profits for people I'd rather take a machine gun too. There. Said it was an idiosyncratic view didn't I?
New flavours, no high? Get ta fuck.
Vurtual
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Well the news just said that most of 'science' and most anti-smoking organisations disagree with the law - the argument from the welsh gov is not based on direct harm (cos there's no evidence of that), it's based on the idea that it will make smoking acceptable again (thought crime).
Big tobacco has tried to muscle in on the vaping but it wasn't their baby - it was china - big baccy are playing catch up. Big pharma will be taking the industry over soon when the proposed eu ban kicks in, meaning only big companies will have the money to apply for the medical licenses that will be reqiured (million quid or so). I think the vaping industry as it's grown has been to the benefit of china and various small independent vendors, and this really sticks in the big boys' craw - the current legislative push is mostly coming for their benefit to close down the industry into the usual monopoly. (imo etc)
Yeah smoking's pointless, but if you're going to, cancer free is much better
Big tobacco has tried to muscle in on the vaping but it wasn't their baby - it was china - big baccy are playing catch up. Big pharma will be taking the industry over soon when the proposed eu ban kicks in, meaning only big companies will have the money to apply for the medical licenses that will be reqiured (million quid or so). I think the vaping industry as it's grown has been to the benefit of china and various small independent vendors, and this really sticks in the big boys' craw - the current legislative push is mostly coming for their benefit to close down the industry into the usual monopoly. (imo etc)
Yeah smoking's pointless, but if you're going to, cancer free is much better
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I'm not sure why the Welsh govt is taking this step but..
..what I read is that big tobacco has caught up in a big way, not least because they already control the distribution outlets for such enterprises. BAT, Imperial, RJ Reynolds etc are all muscling in big time. I don't see how a law banning vaping in public places is specifically designed to help these big boys. Certainly it can be seen as a way of fighting against making smoking acceptable again (though I also fail to see how this relates to thought crime, but maybe that's me being dense).
In brief, what I've read makes it seem that since ecigs took off, it is big tobacco who have taken over from Chinese innovation. Control over distribution gives them an unfair market advantage for taking previously lost money off ex-smokers.
Smoking with no high is, to me, pointless, whether cancer is involved or not.
Sorry for the lack of depth, IPad crashes if I'm not quick.
..what I read is that big tobacco has caught up in a big way, not least because they already control the distribution outlets for such enterprises. BAT, Imperial, RJ Reynolds etc are all muscling in big time. I don't see how a law banning vaping in public places is specifically designed to help these big boys. Certainly it can be seen as a way of fighting against making smoking acceptable again (though I also fail to see how this relates to thought crime, but maybe that's me being dense).
In brief, what I've read makes it seem that since ecigs took off, it is big tobacco who have taken over from Chinese innovation. Control over distribution gives them an unfair market advantage for taking previously lost money off ex-smokers.
Smoking with no high is, to me, pointless, whether cancer is involved or not.
Sorry for the lack of depth, IPad crashes if I'm not quick.
Vurtual
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Thought crime (glibly) because it's not to stop actual harm, but to stop us thinking a certain way (ie smoking's acceptable - though i'd have thought it just as likely to make smoking less popular).
Big tobacco have certainly caught up as you say, and yet there are still independent vendors sourcing from china (their websites are less flashy and they don't have tv ads). The tightening up on legislation (i mean the eu one) helps big pharma and tobacco because it will require medical licenses which will cost a million quid, so weeding out all the independents.
Big tobacco have certainly caught up as you say, and yet there are still independent vendors sourcing from china (their websites are less flashy and they don't have tv ads). The tightening up on legislation (i mean the eu one) helps big pharma and tobacco because it will require medical licenses which will cost a million quid, so weeding out all the independents.
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The most important thing about vaping as opposed to smoking, is no carbon monoxide. (And even what you breath out is clean).
Banning vaping is nothing but a petty-minded, mean-spirited, vindictive dig at the act of self-medicating. We can't be allowed to puff on even an e-cig which doesn't harm third parties, lest we might actually enjoy it.
It will be chips that they're trying to ban next. And then potatoes, because they can be made into chips .....
Banning vaping is nothing but a petty-minded, mean-spirited, vindictive dig at the act of self-medicating. We can't be allowed to puff on even an e-cig which doesn't harm third parties, lest we might actually enjoy it.
It will be chips that they're trying to ban next. And then potatoes, because they can be made into chips .....
Vurtual
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Those polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons produced by smoking are pretty dodgy too
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I was thinking more along the lines of a scarefest some years down the line, centered around some new revelations that e-cigs cause lip cancer ten times faster or *insert bullshit*
Bad-a-bing you got 50 million people considering taking to the streets to buy a pack of cigarettes.
theres nothing they can do to prevent people vaping even if they wanted to, you can't outlaw batteries and bits of wire and cotton, or any of the liquid raw materials except perhaps the liquid nicotine.
Speaking just from my own personal experience, switching to vaping after 10 years of smoking cigarattes/tobacco spliffs was a hugely positive thing for my general health and wellbeing, aswell as my wallet.
Speaking just from my own personal experience, switching to vaping after 10 years of smoking cigarattes/tobacco spliffs was a hugely positive thing for my general health and wellbeing, aswell as my wallet.
gannetsarewe
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E cigs= less smoking, less smoking = less jobs for health nazis.
sounds like an overreaction to be honest... why dont they ban unealthy fast food? thats far more prevalent and damaging to the health... and make sport mandatory.
heres an idea that combines both. put people in camps where they can work and are give a set calculated ration of food per day. that sounds perfectly healthy
heres an idea that combines both. put people in camps where they can work and are give a set calculated ration of food per day. that sounds perfectly healthy
Yes they do. Unless the news is lying which is always possible, naturally
I see no problem with the ban from vaping in public places. I do see many, many problems with the "science" used to bring it in. But, ultimately, whether the "smoke" you breath out smells of skanky baccy or some obnoxiously sweet e-liq, it all irritates somebody else for the expense of standing outside to get your fix. E-cigs may be less immediately harmful (as far as secondary inhalation goes... and by a very, very long way) but they are still fekkin annoying if you do not wish to be smothered in "smoke". Getting a break outside seems an added bonus tbh.
DrGreenthumb
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Because the fast food companies pay their bribes.
One Thousand Words
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It's just common curtesy to not Vape in an enclosed space. It's better than a cigarette sure, but I'm not a fan of apple scent or bubblegum or menthol choc chip air freshener. Being in a car with a vaper is terrible.
On a side note how many people here have given up nicotine completely with the help of vaping? It seems all my mates are still addicted, which must be shit when they have to fly in a plane for more than five hours
On a side note how many people here have given up nicotine completely with the help of vaping? It seems all my mates are still addicted, which must be shit when they have to fly in a plane for more than five hours
Why give up nicotine completely? It is the tars, the pyrolysis products and additives in burning tobacco that are the killers. It is perfectly possible to make nicotine free liquid to vape, and if you are mixing your own you can just taper it down if you want zero nicotine over time.
When you remove the primary dangerous components from the equation and are just inhaling vapour and miniscule amounts of nicotine, tht is a huge improvement on health terms, and I see vaping as an excellent way to to get away from the habituated ritualised bullshit that comes from long term smoking (inhaling something, holding it between your fingers, smoking in certain situations)
They give people ecigs on flights in europe...
When you remove the primary dangerous components from the equation and are just inhaling vapour and miniscule amounts of nicotine, tht is a huge improvement on health terms, and I see vaping as an excellent way to to get away from the habituated ritualised bullshit that comes from long term smoking (inhaling something, holding it between your fingers, smoking in certain situations)
They give people ecigs on flights in europe...