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Vyvanse Dosage & Questions for a First Timer

karnipa

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Hi, so before I start off, I need to warn whoever reads this that I'm aware that taking another person's prescription is illegal and wrong. It happens. Kid's start binge drinking by the time they're 13, so if you want to tell me what I did is wrong-I don't need to hear it.

My entire life I have struggled with a lot of things. My emotions, thoughts, stress, and anxiety. I don't want to go in depth on what I have dealt with the past several years of my life, but it has definitely been one crazy roller coaster. For the sake of me asking for advice, I will tell everyone a few things about me. I am a 16 year old girl, I weigh 124lbs, I'm 5'11 1/2 and I suffer from an eating disorder.

After having a panic attack at school after I consumed two Tylenol Extra Strength tablets, I decided that I could no longer live my life this way. I have really bad anxiety, everything literally sets me off, I get anxious about the smallest things, like if something is out of place I will freak out, if I have too much work and I don't know where to start I'll get anxious and not do it all together which only makes me freak out more resulting in my cram sessions availing to nothing. My anxiety has escalated into playing a major factor in my eating disorder, so yesterday I decided to visit my doctor and get a prescription.

My doctor knows about my struggle's, he knows about what's happened in my family, know's everything about my eating disorder, and know how I feel on a psychiatric level. However, I really wanted to be prescribed ADHD medication. Although I do not think I have full blown ADHD, I do exhibit several symptoms. Some which are actually less known than others. Because my anxiety and on/off depression is actually a serious issue, I expressed my concerns to my doctor and he prescribed me Lorazepam and Cipralex for my anxiety/minor depression. He told me he thinks my anxiety and depression might be the cause of my lack of concentration and motivation to finish work or accomplish tasks (which are the common symptoms associated with ADHD). I don't know much about drugs, to be honest, it doesn't interest me very much, but I do care what I put in my body. A lot of my friend's abuse Ritalin, Adderall, and Vyvanse like most young adults do, you would be naive not to know that this is true. I have never joined the bandwagon because I have not yet been medically diagnosed and I've always feared doing drugs because of my anxiety to begin with. My doctor told me that if the Lorazepam and Cirpalex didn't help after a month and a half time, he would look into putting me on some ADHD medication and he mentioned Vyvanse.

When I got home, I got into a fight with my mom. Because of this, I left my house for a coffee with my friend. This is a girl who does Vyvanse recreationally and is always either prescribed drugs or doing some sort of drug, but I do not look at her differently because of that. Anyway, she told me to take a Lorazepam because I was freaking out-and because my doctor prescribed a low dosage (0.5mg) I agreed. This was at 5pm. Lorazepam made me incredibly sleepy so she told me I should try doing some Vyvanse because I had a huge test the next day. I took the Vyvanse at 6pm. I know I did it on a whim and not in the best mind set, but I honestly wanted to try and see what it was like. Plus I thought that since Lorazepam is an anti-anxiety medication it could help cancel out some of the negative side effects associated with Vyvanse. Anyway, I took 50mg at 6pm, and boy was that not the best thing to do. I had eaten my first "big" meal (under 500 calories) an hour prior, and I was pretty mellowed out. After an hour of waiting, by 7pm I was on a buzz. I have tried drugs recreationally before but never enjoyed it (by this I mean illegal drugs) because I hate the feeling of lack of control. The most I do now is drink, and even that is always at a controlled amount. From 8pm-9pm I felt amazing. I was so focused, so unbelievably into my school work and all my attention was undivided just focused on completing page upon page of notes. It was amazing, I did not feel "euphoria" just for once, I felt in control of my mind. When I am trying to do homework without any mind-altering medication, my attention drifts and I can daydream and find any excuse to distract myself. Vyvanse made me actually want to study, I had this thirst to read and read. I felt so motivated and I was very happy that I had done it. I didn't feel anxiety or any bad side effects. This lasted for 3 hours.

Around 10pm to 12am, I went back home and had a very long conversation with my dad. It almost felt like I was high because I was crying and opening up to him and talking about the universe (my father is generally a philosophical guy so these kinds of conversations are common, I just never participate) in the kitchen of our home. When he finally went to bed I called up my friend (the one who gave me the pills) and stayed on the phone with her for 2 hours. She was having problems with her boyfriend and was crying to me, so I called her boyfriend and talked to both of them. I just felt on a whole different level, everything I said sounded clear and in my head I wasn't stuttering or noticing the small mental ticks that I usually do. After the conversation ended at around 3am, I was drained emotionally but not tired enough to sleep. Unfortunately I lost my concentration on schoolwork so I watched some TV and tidied up my room. This was roughly 7-8 into the experience.

At 2am was when I began to notice the intense nausea, bowel movements, and headache as well as dry mouth and thirst and weakness. I felt crummy so I messaged my friend who actually is prescribed Vyvanse for her ADHD and she told me it's common when first starting a new medication and I took a higher dosage later on in the day. I agreed and took a small dosage of Lorazepam again to calm my nerves. By 5:30am I was asleep and I woke up approximately 3 hours later, refreshed but still feeling somewhat queasy.

It's now 3:42pm on the same day that I woke up (Tuesday), I am somewhat jittery, a bit anxious because I am trying to forget how much work I need to do, dizzy, and I feel queasy as well as loss of an appetite. I am quite used to not feeling hungry because of my eating disorder, but the queasiness is very annoying. I wanted to take some Gravol but I'm unsure how much that could help and whatnot.

I talked to my friends who basically said it was probably too much of a high dosage for me. Because my doctor ALREADY believes I have ADHD, I don't want people to say I self-medicated when I don't have a problem. I DO have a problem, and my doctor as well as myself agree that I need ADHD medication, I was just hoping someone could tell me what they think? If these side effects are normal for a first user, especially in my scenario, with the dosage that I ingested.

I would greatly appreciate any response, and once again, I wanted to say I know it's wrong to take other people's prescriptions. I wanted to try it because I knew I would be doing it in the future anyway. If people are going to say I shouldn't have done it, I'd rather not hear it. You can't change the past and I realize I probably should have acted with more responsibility. Thanks.

Read more: ADD and ADHD Forum - Need an URGENT opinion. http://ehealthforum.com/health/need-an-urgent-opinion-t309946.html#ixzz1bpDPqDWJ
 
Vyvanase and other amphetamines are contraindicated with panic disorders. I suggest you go see a therapist or something - at your age you shouldn't have a panic disorder, nor do you need to be self-medicating.

Stress can be one hell of a kicker and it's really hard to diagnose e.g. ADD if you have a high stress level in your life because in general your performance will decline rapidly once you pass a critical level.
 
I have seen a therapist, 3 actually. I know that at my age I shouldn't be having a panic disorder but this is actually common-or at least from what I've heard. I've always felt panicked and had lack of concentration growing up, I honestly do not want to go in depth.

I've been through cognitive behavioural therapy, I've had a therapist as well as school counsellors, and a psychiatrist for when my eating disorder was in full swing. So yeah.
 
Regardless, amphetamines won't help someone in your situation for very long - the crash is far too hard on the mind and body and if you have a pre-existing eating disorder/panic disorder thay are liable to become ten times as worse with regular stimulant usage. Therapy and lifestyle changes are the way to go here.

Whether or not panic disorders are common, they're not normal.
 
Obviously they're not normal. Why do you think I got medication? I experienced a complete 360 degree lifestyle change, therapy hasn't helped, and nothing has really helped me in the past so I'm going to try medication.

With the crash, Lorezapam really helps. The advice I was asking for, however, had nothing to do with me wanting someone else's opinion on my lifestyle.
 
Sekio's advice is exactly what you said you were looking for. The only question in your novel was "I was just hoping someone could tell me what they think?" and thats an opinion.

You are just angry because he didn't give you advice reaffirming your convictions.

I don't think anyone here will say prescribing amphetamines, to someone with an "eating disorder" to cover up for only a few symptoms of ADD, is a good idea. You just sound really emotionally unstable from your post, and the cure for that usually isn't psychopharmacologic.

Drugs ain't always the answer.
 
Not always. I have a history of massive panic attacks.....yet i smoke meth daily and im prescribed Vyvanase which calms me (true ADHD) which is also why i self medicate with meth its cheaper then this prescribed shit. Ill tell ya this i started off on 70mg of Vyvanase and if i decide to go on a 3 day high i will end up taken over 1000mg of this stuff in 4 days....i never experiance panic or tingling. When you take your meds also try not to think about side effects...that is the worst thing ya can do with panic issues. If i ever think about it i will suffer.

Also if ya ever get panic feeling grab a paper bag your hyper ventilating......i still have moments i get that, lol. Best of luck and Jitters is NORMAL....when i first started taken that med it felt like i snorted 3 lines it will go away after couple days.
 
Well, based on the fact that you LOVED them that much, it may be a decision to think twice about. Doing them often could lead to a place where you are having much worse panic problems, depression, eating and health troubles, and more. It sounds like they helped you a lot though, so you have the balance the pros and cons in the situation. Some people really do need the medicine, and if they can not abuse it (granted, you won't be feeling nearly what you did on a high dose often). It sounds from the post that you weren't happy, found a high that is spectacular, and you want more. This is how addicts become addicted, not to preach.

Anyway, if the panic is really the issue, maybe you should look into some sort of anti-anxiety help. From herbal medicines, health choices, to anti-anxiety medication and therapy you could really change how you react and how bad the episodes are. I have dealt with anxiety for a long time. I love to eat some amphets, but I hate the comedown and the terrible anxiety, so I know they are a really bad choice for me to use except INCREDIBLY rarely.

Stay safe, have fun!

EDIT: If you have to use a benzo to come down from the amphetamines, you might want to think about that. Being addicted to two drugs, going from extreme highs to extreme lows all the time will be brutal on your body. That, coupled with the stress of being 16, is going to be a lot to handle. Be careful, this isn't a quick reversible decision once you dive in.
 
It's still best to stay away from amphetamines if you have a problem with panic, on the off-chance it makes it worse instead of better. In my experience, I wouldn't say amphetamines are totally not an option for someone with panic disorder, but would I recommend them over saying it's best not to rely on them? Of course not.

Therapy isn't always the answer for every single last person, so I'm not going to say that's your only option. I just think that if amphetamines are something you choose to implement with a doctor's recommendation, please go on the lowest possible dosage at first, you really don't want to get in too deep, have amphetamine-related anxiety/panic, then not know what to do and decide going on anti-anxiety medications is the answer. Before you know it, you'll be dependent on two different drugs, and you'll have very little room for error.
 
Well I'm not going to decide if you need medicine or not. That's between you and your doctor. But for a first time vyvanse dose I would keep it low. 40 mg is equal to atleast 25 mg of adderall xr. So I would take a maximum of 40 mgs the first time. No caffeine.
EDIT: I wouldn't take that dose if I was a girl of your age and weight though...

Also don't use medication to counteract medication its a vicious cycle. If you need a benzo to comedown then your going to need one all the time pretty soon. Then your going to need a lot of benzos then more stimulants...you get the idea...
 
that feeling you get on adderall and vyvanse will be short lived... and all tears in the end. At least wait a couple more years before you go down that route. Give yourself some time to mature a little bit ; you'll be fasicated at man's ability to feel real true pure joy w/o any drugs or RX's
 
Basic dosage/effect/combination threads belong in Basic Drug Discussion. I believe you'll get better exposure/answers over there, so i am going to move this over to BDD for you.

OD >>>>> BDD
 
It may seem like it's a bit of a wonder drug now, sure. But in the long-term, it's not gonna help. You start using stimulants regularly over a long period of time, the effects are gonna get weaker and weaker, you're gonna build up a tolerance, the effects which you seem to be helpful now will fade away, until eventually, you'll need to just take the drugs to feel like you used to when you were sober. The comedowns especially are going to be very hard on you - if you already have anxiety problems, it's gonna be made a LOT worse, both on comedowns, as well as increasing your paranoia and general mental health both on and off the drug.
I don't know much about ADD as a syndrome, but I know that using psychoactive drugs to treat ANYTHING long term is gonna just end up making things a lot worse for you, even if now it may seem like a cure-all.
 
LOL. Buddy - you're in the beginning stages of one of the toughest addictions and greatest drugs on this earth. That post will be a nice memoir 6 months from now when you can dump 230mg IRs and take a nap. What you're describing is exactly what I went through. I'm diagnosed BPD and general anxiety. I take adderall and have been for 2 years and i don't have ADD. I'd give you advice, but in reality I believe you've already made your decision. I can only cry as i read the manic way you described your trip and think of the country song 'youre gunna miss this' by Trace Adkins..
 
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