Vivid nightmares. Etizolam?

[jancrow]

Hello and welcome. The forum is not always this shit, it's going through a bit of a... phase.

Whenever I have a break from long-term smoking, my dreams come thundering back and are usually very vivid and often quite disturbing. They tend to settle down after a week.

Anecdotally anyway, this seems to be quite common among smokers.



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I thought I'd posted this but perhaps not.... etizolam does do something freaky to my dreams, definitely. If I've been taking small amounts (eg 2mg) for a couple of nights running and then have nothing I can guarantee a night of strange and disturbing visions, like being suffocated by ghosts and being unable to wake up, or 'waking up' repeatedly to find that I am still in the dream with the ghosts, or opening a green filing cabinet to find that it's full of enormous centipedes, for example.

 

[xpensivtaste]

this is strange, when i take 2mg etizolam i don't dream, i sleep extremely deep and wake up thinking that was the quickest sleep ever. i do, however have nightmares without using tho.

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

I find that the worst substance for precipitating nightmares whilst in withdrawal is good ol' cannabis. When I was a daily smoker, if I went for a night or two with no pot, I would experience the most horrible dreams - probably a rebound effect because when I went to bed stoned every night I never dreamt (or could never remember them, which seems more likely). However, as far as etizolam goes, I find I get very vivid dreams whilst on it, sometimes even lucid dreams which I fuckin' love (tell ya, if someone could invent a substance which guaranteed lucid dreams, I don't think I would ever get out of bed....). However, I've not noticed any effect on my dreams upon cessation of etizolam (and I've taken 5 - 8mg/day for a couple of weeks at a time). It seems that as far as I'm concerned, hallucinogens, opiates & stims have a negative effect upon my dreamtime, whilst hypnotics/sedatives have a positive effect - this seems somewhat paradoxical to me, though YMMV.

 

[wcote]

I mentioned this on another thread.

but it gives me dreams for sure, not nightmares. And not the night I take the stuff, but the night after.

Last time I took them, the following night I dreamed I was playing Age of Empires, and I had an army of priests going wololo

 

[Treacle]

It sounds like an extremely mild withdrawal effect. You'll obviously get some sort of rebound, even from one dose. Most people won't even notice it. I used to get mild withdrawals, from one dose of G, but that was after years of abusing my GABA-b receptors. Phenibut can also have slight withdrawal symptoms, from moderate use. Just a theory. Maybe it's the brain catching up on REM sleep, which I believe benzos suppress - a little like the intense dreams when stopping weed.

 

[Cornishman]

'Never underestimate the importance of REM sleep' - Michael Stipe

 

[SpellmanT7]

I first tried Etizolam last Wednesday, after a day of AMT related fun. No nightmares later that night so I was pretty happy it'd worked well as a sleep aid.

Saturday afternoon and I went through the same AMT trip - 45mg. I took the etizolam - only 1mg, around 6 or 7pm. That night, I woke up after a horrible, horrible nightmare where I ran to the toilet and puked up a helluva lot of blood. Moments after, I sat bolt upright in bed and my heart was beating hard.

Yesterday I was having doses of AMT throughout the day, and realised that I had no chance of sleep unless I used some etizolam or diazepam. Given that I only had a handful of the latter, I went for the etizolam again. First weirdness occured two house into my sleep. I woke up, thinking I'd heard shouting outside and somewhat paranoid that people were outside the house. I suddenly had the sensation that I'd turned around 180 degrees in bed. I slowly began to try and move but my limbs were locked really, really tight. It felt like I would snap a tendon or pull something if I tried any harder to move. I could tense an arm or leg but not really move it.

After this, I'm not sure whether I either fell asleep for an hour or just lay perfectly still for that time, paralysed, but I realised that I had never turned 180 degrees and I felt the control of my limbs return. I went back to sleep,

A few hours later, in the early hours of this morning, I had a dream where I was on some planet covered largely with gigantic slate-like rocks, floating on something that wasn't water. I jumped from rock, to rock - knowing the water was toxic (in that 'in-the-dream-you-just-know' way). I got to a house, where a professor lectured me on damaging the rocks by jumping over them. I had a bad feeling about the guy and seconds later, I found myself looking down s circular stairwell as he and a colleague attempted to catch me and kill me - both were armed with guns in their hands.

When I woke up and went back to sleep over the next few hours, I would dream about people trying to kill me or I'd be trapped in a computer game that was repeatedly tempting me to subvert the normal rules and go bad stuff to innocent characters.

 

[Treacle]

I slowly began to try and move but my limbs were locked really, really tight. It felt like I would snap a tendon or pull something if I tried any harder to move. I could tense an arm or leg but not really move it.

After this, I'm not sure whether I either fell asleep for an hour or just lay perfectly still for that time, paralysed, but I realised that I had never turned 180 degrees and I felt the control of my limbs return. I went back to sleep,

Sounds like typical sleep paralysis. Possibly caused by aMT, as serotonergic drugs are well known for causing it.

 

[YellowPolkaDotHalo]

I had some Etizolam* for the first time in ages the other night and woke myself up shouting at someone to 'just fuck off'... I think someone else mentioned a similar thing happening with etiz earlier on in this or one of the other etizolam threads.

I cant say I've had nightmares that I remember exactly just very vivid dreams like i've lived a whole life in them. I invariably wake up feeling exhausted.

*Couldnt get hold of Etilam so have only got the vendors word for it though.

 

[Bluebell]

I had some Etizolam* for the first time in ages the other night and woke myself up shouting at someone to 'just fuck off'... I think someone else mentioned a similar thing happening with etiz earlier on in this or one of the other etizolam threads.

I cant say I've had nightmares that I remember exactly just very vivid dreams like i've lived a whole life in them. I invariably wake up feeling exhausted.

*Couldnt get hold of Etilam so have only got the vendors word for it though.

Etizolm for me is just a pure knock out drop, never dream on them at all? In fact not had a bloody good dream in ages

 

[SpellmanT7]

I had a dream where I was on some planet covered largely with gigantic slate-like rocks, floating on something that wasn't water. I jumped from rock, to rock - knowing the water was toxic (in that 'in-the-dream-you-just-know' way). I got to a house, where a professor lectured me on damaging the rocks by jumping over them. I had a bad feeling about the guy and seconds later, I found myself looking down s circular stairwell as he and a colleague attempted to catch me and kill me - both were armed with guns in their hands.

Which I now realise was a reference to the sand ant/lion creatures in Half Life 2 - there are two non player characters near the area where you are supposed to carefully avoid touching the sand by using pieces of wood etc. and they get very pissed off when you decide that you can't be bothered to go through the motions of taking care and doing the right thing, albeit because they are subsequently killed by the monsters themselves. Always satisfying to find the root of a dream in reality.

FWIW - since my last post, I managed to fall asleep after a relatively large dose of etizolam...with a nectarine stone in my mouth! I woke up as normal in the morning and realised I had to dial down the milligrams regarding etizolam otherwise the next time it might be a mango stone! Still don't know how I didn't swallow and choke on the nectarine one?? I sometimes think I have a guardian angel, this incident is unique but the number of involuntary applications I've made for 'early entry into hell' over the years are starting to creep towards double figures.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

I cannot emphasise enough the strength and depth and utter scariness (and indeed similarity between my nightmares and g/f's nightmares) of this. I don't sleep well generally and have had my fair share of 'mares - which, like everyone else, I just shake off.

This isn't easily shaken off.

As an addendum - tried going back to sleep this morning after being awake a few hours and as soon as I hit sleep, I hit nightmares.

Is this anything to do with stopping etizolam? I've boshed about 16 over 2 weeks. But g/f has only boshed 4.

Any similar experiences/help would be most welcome.

Thanks.

SHM.

very similar experience overhere for me and gf.
After a good MDMA session were we would have gone through 8 to 10 of pills each. Yes we exceeded the harm reduction ammount by a long shot.
When we would (and could) finally get some hard needed sleep, did't have benzo's or ghb at that time or drunk alcohol. The nightmarish delerium type of dreams would start.
Which were like you described very alike for me and the gf we called it the shadow zone. Was foggy and creepy with an general evil feel about. especially when the dreams, or hallucinations continued while half awake. Like when youre sleeping with eyes closed and somehow awake and seeing at the same time.
So I assume it has to to do with the ammount of MDMA we took or an impurity in the pills. Although thats just a guess.


This kinda shit did have an positive effect on our pill munching behaviour as its so unpleasant we learned to keep the ammount of pills below that ceiling.
However the sleepparalysis and brainzaps played a role there to.
Sleepparalysis combined with nightmares then followed by a week of brainzaps are geat enforcers of moderation don't you guys and girls feel so?


Did you experience sleepparalysis to SHM?

 

[Inflorescence]

Dreams, sleep, Nightmares Dossage of Etizolam

I dream, well =by that I mean I actually l remember them in Vivid colour and intricate details,

I too had a lot of repetitive nightmares/uneasy dreams from 9-14 that's when never sleepy-Hyperactive and not helped I suspect by sweet and drinks in the 80's.
Tried Valerian and melatonin etc to assist with actually dropping off, They do actually have a gentle effect and can;t hurt

Anyway yes been trying them every-other night 2mg -3mg and they seem to work well take about 2 hours to assist a deep sleep.

I did have one very lucid and unnerving dream on Etizolan,last week which I wont bore you with but took about an hour in semi-wakeful state to realize it was not real. That is a new thing. I am recreational dabbler of various pills an powders these days,,,,advice about diossage. l

Anyone doing more than 2mg?

'The Dose Etizolam'- headed thread left me confused and nobody really answered the question,

S0 safeish dose for sleep and dose for comedowns please. ?i DO REALISE THIS WILL BE YOUR OWN Calculations after reserach Subjective opinionss by BL and someone must know based on the Japanese usage/data, Appreciate body weight, health and other factors.
Sorry

Taken me about half an hour TO WRITE this, I am new on BL and party for the long weekend started forus last night;. feeling v.delicate and would appreciate your thoughts. .Go easy on me


All the best people , enjoy the weekend