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i've already tired of this game. the multiplayer was cool for a while until the demo for bf:bc came out. which as all i really play.
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tambourine-man
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Depends what you mean by tired. I'm tired of it in the sense that the missions just aren't challenging enough (there isn't that feeling of wanting to go back for "just one more attempt" because it really only takes one attempt to complete each mission).
But, honestly, I think it'd be tough to be tired of the game world due to it's complexity and depth. Like PinholeStar mentioned in his eloquent review, it really is quite amazing in places and peppered with little moments of genius.
I'm hoping that they tweak the online services and lobby system. It'll help to give a bit more longevity to it.
But, honestly, I think it'd be tough to be tired of the game world due to it's complexity and depth. Like PinholeStar mentioned in his eloquent review, it really is quite amazing in places and peppered with little moments of genius.
I'm hoping that they tweak the online services and lobby system. It'll help to give a bit more longevity to it.
i'm basically feeling that. but then as i said earlier, i think for me it just isn't sticking on me because it's not specialized-- it does a good job at combining a few different genres, but then that's the point... the focus is spread out instead of actually "focused" on one particular game type. targeting is definitely improved, but doesn't feel right, to me- not for deathmatch. driving is improved, but have you tried racing? heh.. I've had good ones, and really bad ones. every other one you get a guy (or a couple-maybe a few, maybe more) driving backwards.. which I guess you get used to.. but yea.
By the way, if anyone wants to know a cool glitch, look up "swingset glitch GTA IV", or something like that. (launches you half way across an island if you hit it right, contorting your car in some interesting ways, sometimes).
By the way, if anyone wants to know a cool glitch, look up "swingset glitch GTA IV", or something like that. (launches you half way across an island if you hit it right, contorting your car in some interesting ways, sometimes).
yea it took me a few as well.. i think about 4-5 tries.
i kept trying to destroy or blockade the truck i figured they were most likely to use, or blocking the way they seemed to exit....
it seems i beat some of the missions kind of cheap-like... exploiting some stupid AI or something.. I just felt cheap in how I beat some of them is all... but I didn't care because usually by that time I had run through the same mission about 3 times.
i kept trying to destroy or blockade the truck i figured they were most likely to use, or blocking the way they seemed to exit....
it seems i beat some of the missions kind of cheap-like... exploiting some stupid AI or something.. I just felt cheap in how I beat some of them is all... but I didn't care because usually by that time I had run through the same mission about 3 times.
Cornishman
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Cornishman
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Naptown Wicked
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Cornishman said:
Iiiiiii'm the maaaaaan in the box!
Cornishman
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Haha! What a coincidence!Naptown Wicked said:
Well done for finding that!
You da man!
Johnny blue
Bluelight Crew
I don't use the codes to play single player but every now and then friends and I use them to die in spectacular ways. Try the helicopter code to get on a building then the motorcycle code to get off and land it. You die more often then not but it's funny as fuck and better than watching each other do missions.
heli FLY-555-0100 bike MBK-555-0100
heli FLY-555-0100 bike MBK-555-0100
Don Luigi
Bluelight Crew
I gave it 4/5.
It was an excellent game but I don't think it has been the best GTA. I loved it originally but compared to the GTA3 series of games I found myself playing very little after I'd completed the story! I haven't played it in a couple of weeks now but with previous GTAs I played for months after completing the story - Not doing the extas but just fucking around. To me it's now just another GTA and the game was definitely too easy, probably due to how good the targeting system is.
The multiplayer isn't a s good as I thought it would be, I had much more fun playing San Andreas: Multiplayer (a multiplayer mod made for the PC game).
However, as a one-time play value it has definitely been the best game so far. The characters are so developed, it's like watching a good movie. I also think that the game humour isn't what it was in the GTA3 series. It may have been a bit more tongue and cheek or however you'd describe it, but GTA3, Vice City and San Andreas were much funnier I think.
Best GTA for me was GTA3 :D
It was an excellent game but I don't think it has been the best GTA. I loved it originally but compared to the GTA3 series of games I found myself playing very little after I'd completed the story! I haven't played it in a couple of weeks now but with previous GTAs I played for months after completing the story - Not doing the extas but just fucking around. To me it's now just another GTA and the game was definitely too easy, probably due to how good the targeting system is.
The multiplayer isn't a s good as I thought it would be, I had much more fun playing San Andreas: Multiplayer (a multiplayer mod made for the PC game).
However, as a one-time play value it has definitely been the best game so far. The characters are so developed, it's like watching a good movie. I also think that the game humour isn't what it was in the GTA3 series. It may have been a bit more tongue and cheek or however you'd describe it, but GTA3, Vice City and San Andreas were much funnier I think.
Best GTA for me was GTA3 :D
PinholeStar
Bluelighter
If ever there was a 5/5 game it's this one.
I'll get the negatives out of the way first:
The multiplayer ain't great. The co-op missions can be fun, races can be great & Cops 'n' Crooks can be superb if everything falls into place, but this is very hit & miss. Deathmatch is poor (the 3rd-person aiming just isn't suited to it) & Mafiya Works can sometimes be grossly unfair.
The lobby system (or lack of it) is an odd design choice & I can't help but feel the whole multiplayer would've been better served had they not cast the net so wide. Complaining about too many game types seems a bit silly, but with a more concentrated choice perhaps the overall quality would've been higher. Their net code seems a bit dodgy sometimes as well, but I suppose it would be asking a little too much to have a silky smooth experience in such a huge free-roaming world.
All things considered it's still a pretty impressive achievement to create the multiplayer content that they have & the anarchic chaos it sometimes descends into is in keeping with the tone of the game as a whole.
Singleplayer grievances:
1) It's too easy. I can't be arsed with rock-hard games anymore, but I do like there to be some challenge involved. The previous games in the series could be unbelievably frustrating with their dire shooting mechanics & Rockstar are to be applauded for tightening up this aspect, but they took it a little bit too far imo. Once you get hold of the carbine rifle you're a virtually unstoppable headshot-machine & by the last third of the game I was going off to do missions even if I only had half my health, because there was very little fear of me dying.
2) The missions weren't quite as diverse as I'd hoped. There are some that mix it up a bit, but really 90% of them consist of: drive there, shoot them up, drive back. I love the new missions that take place in buildings, involving shoot-outs on stairwells & the like, but once you've done a few of these they become quite repetitive. By dispensing with the crazy multi-part missions of San Andreas involving jetpacks & skydives they've certainly added to the more grounded realism which aids the tone of the game as a whole, but I would've liked to have seen just a little more variety.
But aside from that it's fan-fucking-tastic & the most fun that I've ever had with a videogame.
In purely free-form mode it's a fucking riot. Everyone who plays GTA will go on rampages at some point because it's just so much fun. Unscripted situations arising out of the chaos in which you can basically create your own stories is an area in which GTA has no peer. With the added subtlety of the driving & shooting mechanics & the extra solidity & sense of the world reacting to your actions GTAIV has more opportunity for these gloriously hectic episodes than ever before. Ducking down alleyways to lose the cops, getting into shootouts on the freeway, becoming embroiled in running gun battles in the park, trading bullets in the projects... and on it goes. The possibilities are endless & although the previous games enabled this too, this time it feels far more real & far less susceptible to the irritating unfairness that marred those titles.
The writing is for the most part exceptional by videogame standards & Niko is a brilliantly drawn character. Tragic & nihilistic, yet ultimately sympathetic, within an hour of playing the game I was rooting for him all the way. It's a massive step up from the cartoon clichés of Vice City & San Andreas & any game that when it offers you choices on the fate of characters makes it seem a genuinely difficult decision to make deserves a round of applause.
The great writing extends to the radio chatter as well. This has always been a hallmark of the series, but in this game it's more cutting, more acerbic, even more finely observed & the most bitter satire yet of modern America & its woes. It's also hilarious. Not as overtly so as the previous games but even with this game's laughter in the dark approach it's sense of humour is still so far beyond anything else any other developer would dare to try it simply beggars belief. See the spoof TV shows for another example.
The sound design is peerless. From the muffled boom of a stereo coming from inside an apartment as you walk past the front door to the distant sound of roadworks & sirens as you walk down the street, from the reverberating crack of a pistol in a plaza to the growl of a Banshee's engine, every single sound in the game is captured perfectly.
There's something for everyone on the radio but rather than just chuck a load of catchy tunes on there the eclectic mix of soundtracks has evidently had a great deal of care & thought put into it. They've also managed to coax some great performances out of the likes of Iggy Pop ("I've got a yoga bill like a motherfucker!") & Karl Lagerfeld; who incidentally chose many of the tracks for The Studio109 himself. Not to mention getting Francois K to do a mix specifically for the game. Genius.
Then there's the seemingly endless talk & chatter of the pedestrians. There must be tens of thousands of lines of this. Walking past a fat, hairy biker who turned to me & said: "I'm pretty fucked on meth right now. Fancy a handjob?" had me absolutely pissing myself. If you play it through a set of good headphones, just stand on a busy corner, close your eyes & listen to the sounds of the street rolling past it feels as if you're in a real city.
And then there's the hundreds of little touches & details that add nothing to the core gameplay but absolutely everything to the atmosphere. The Burger Shot worker polishing the windows out the front, the forklift driver stealing a smoke out the back, the graffiti, the trash collectors hanging off the back of their vehicle, the buoys that bob in the water which in turn ripples & shimmers with the reflections of the distant city lights, the hot-dog vendors & their calls of "You motherfuckers think you're too good for these?", the way newspaper dispensers flutter their contents across the street when you drive into them, the way the tarmac in the shitty parts of town is all patched up, pedestrians getting inadvertently run over & then a paramedic turning up & attempting CPR, the street-sweepers, the fog, the people talking on payphones...
And ultimately that's why I love GTAIV so much. My favourite games are the ones that have compelling worlds for you to lose yourself in; a dose of pure escapism that provide an interactive element that film can't provide. It's why I play games in the first place: a chance to immerse myself in a completely alien environment from the comfort of my sofa, safely relegating the occasional mundaneness of everyday life to a back-seat for a few hours in the evening, & so, in creating the richest, most authentic & meticulously designed gameworld ever seen GTAIV has delivered this experience for me like nothing I have ever played.
I've lost count of the number of times I've just hopped in a car, put on The Journey & just gone for a cruise round Liberty City, soaking in the atmosphere to the strains of Philip Glass & Aphex Twin. Just hopped in a cab, dialled in LRR & smiled as my favourite song ever (1979) has come on, gazing out the window & watching the city roll on by. Just tooled up & walked serenely down to the middle of Star Junction, taken in the soaring skyscrapers & gleaming lights reflecting off the wet tarmac & opened fire, seeing just how much chaos I can create. Picked a spot on the map & just strolled there using only my intimate knowledge of the maze of streets that once felt so alien & unknown.
GTAIV represents a progression for the series in just about every possible way. The fundamentals remain essentially the same but by drawing a world of unparalleled depth & interest it raises the bar for videogames in general & is a landmark title whose influence will be felt for years to come. It's the first game that I've played that feels genuinely adult & has made me think that with such creative talent & endeavour at work in the industry this medium could go on to do culturally significant things. I find it ironic that the one game that generates more controversy & stokes the fires of the violent videogame debate than any other is also the only one to tackle these issues head on with the wit & knowing intelligence that its critics could never understand.
It's not perfect, some of the parts of the machine are a little loose & there are a few blemishes, but they pale into insignificance when weighed up against what it gets right. And GTAIV gets so much right.
It's going to be years before anything matches up to its audaciously ambitious vision.
5/5
I'll get the negatives out of the way first:
The multiplayer ain't great. The co-op missions can be fun, races can be great & Cops 'n' Crooks can be superb if everything falls into place, but this is very hit & miss. Deathmatch is poor (the 3rd-person aiming just isn't suited to it) & Mafiya Works can sometimes be grossly unfair.
The lobby system (or lack of it) is an odd design choice & I can't help but feel the whole multiplayer would've been better served had they not cast the net so wide. Complaining about too many game types seems a bit silly, but with a more concentrated choice perhaps the overall quality would've been higher. Their net code seems a bit dodgy sometimes as well, but I suppose it would be asking a little too much to have a silky smooth experience in such a huge free-roaming world.
All things considered it's still a pretty impressive achievement to create the multiplayer content that they have & the anarchic chaos it sometimes descends into is in keeping with the tone of the game as a whole.
Singleplayer grievances:
1) It's too easy. I can't be arsed with rock-hard games anymore, but I do like there to be some challenge involved. The previous games in the series could be unbelievably frustrating with their dire shooting mechanics & Rockstar are to be applauded for tightening up this aspect, but they took it a little bit too far imo. Once you get hold of the carbine rifle you're a virtually unstoppable headshot-machine & by the last third of the game I was going off to do missions even if I only had half my health, because there was very little fear of me dying.
2) The missions weren't quite as diverse as I'd hoped. There are some that mix it up a bit, but really 90% of them consist of: drive there, shoot them up, drive back. I love the new missions that take place in buildings, involving shoot-outs on stairwells & the like, but once you've done a few of these they become quite repetitive. By dispensing with the crazy multi-part missions of San Andreas involving jetpacks & skydives they've certainly added to the more grounded realism which aids the tone of the game as a whole, but I would've liked to have seen just a little more variety.
But aside from that it's fan-fucking-tastic & the most fun that I've ever had with a videogame.
In purely free-form mode it's a fucking riot. Everyone who plays GTA will go on rampages at some point because it's just so much fun. Unscripted situations arising out of the chaos in which you can basically create your own stories is an area in which GTA has no peer. With the added subtlety of the driving & shooting mechanics & the extra solidity & sense of the world reacting to your actions GTAIV has more opportunity for these gloriously hectic episodes than ever before. Ducking down alleyways to lose the cops, getting into shootouts on the freeway, becoming embroiled in running gun battles in the park, trading bullets in the projects... and on it goes. The possibilities are endless & although the previous games enabled this too, this time it feels far more real & far less susceptible to the irritating unfairness that marred those titles.
The writing is for the most part exceptional by videogame standards & Niko is a brilliantly drawn character. Tragic & nihilistic, yet ultimately sympathetic, within an hour of playing the game I was rooting for him all the way. It's a massive step up from the cartoon clichés of Vice City & San Andreas & any game that when it offers you choices on the fate of characters makes it seem a genuinely difficult decision to make deserves a round of applause.
The great writing extends to the radio chatter as well. This has always been a hallmark of the series, but in this game it's more cutting, more acerbic, even more finely observed & the most bitter satire yet of modern America & its woes. It's also hilarious. Not as overtly so as the previous games but even with this game's laughter in the dark approach it's sense of humour is still so far beyond anything else any other developer would dare to try it simply beggars belief. See the spoof TV shows for another example.
The sound design is peerless. From the muffled boom of a stereo coming from inside an apartment as you walk past the front door to the distant sound of roadworks & sirens as you walk down the street, from the reverberating crack of a pistol in a plaza to the growl of a Banshee's engine, every single sound in the game is captured perfectly.
There's something for everyone on the radio but rather than just chuck a load of catchy tunes on there the eclectic mix of soundtracks has evidently had a great deal of care & thought put into it. They've also managed to coax some great performances out of the likes of Iggy Pop ("I've got a yoga bill like a motherfucker!") & Karl Lagerfeld; who incidentally chose many of the tracks for The Studio109 himself. Not to mention getting Francois K to do a mix specifically for the game. Genius.
Then there's the seemingly endless talk & chatter of the pedestrians. There must be tens of thousands of lines of this. Walking past a fat, hairy biker who turned to me & said: "I'm pretty fucked on meth right now. Fancy a handjob?" had me absolutely pissing myself. If you play it through a set of good headphones, just stand on a busy corner, close your eyes & listen to the sounds of the street rolling past it feels as if you're in a real city.
And then there's the hundreds of little touches & details that add nothing to the core gameplay but absolutely everything to the atmosphere. The Burger Shot worker polishing the windows out the front, the forklift driver stealing a smoke out the back, the graffiti, the trash collectors hanging off the back of their vehicle, the buoys that bob in the water which in turn ripples & shimmers with the reflections of the distant city lights, the hot-dog vendors & their calls of "You motherfuckers think you're too good for these?", the way newspaper dispensers flutter their contents across the street when you drive into them, the way the tarmac in the shitty parts of town is all patched up, pedestrians getting inadvertently run over & then a paramedic turning up & attempting CPR, the street-sweepers, the fog, the people talking on payphones...
And ultimately that's why I love GTAIV so much. My favourite games are the ones that have compelling worlds for you to lose yourself in; a dose of pure escapism that provide an interactive element that film can't provide. It's why I play games in the first place: a chance to immerse myself in a completely alien environment from the comfort of my sofa, safely relegating the occasional mundaneness of everyday life to a back-seat for a few hours in the evening, & so, in creating the richest, most authentic & meticulously designed gameworld ever seen GTAIV has delivered this experience for me like nothing I have ever played.
I've lost count of the number of times I've just hopped in a car, put on The Journey & just gone for a cruise round Liberty City, soaking in the atmosphere to the strains of Philip Glass & Aphex Twin. Just hopped in a cab, dialled in LRR & smiled as my favourite song ever (1979) has come on, gazing out the window & watching the city roll on by. Just tooled up & walked serenely down to the middle of Star Junction, taken in the soaring skyscrapers & gleaming lights reflecting off the wet tarmac & opened fire, seeing just how much chaos I can create. Picked a spot on the map & just strolled there using only my intimate knowledge of the maze of streets that once felt so alien & unknown.
GTAIV represents a progression for the series in just about every possible way. The fundamentals remain essentially the same but by drawing a world of unparalleled depth & interest it raises the bar for videogames in general & is a landmark title whose influence will be felt for years to come. It's the first game that I've played that feels genuinely adult & has made me think that with such creative talent & endeavour at work in the industry this medium could go on to do culturally significant things. I find it ironic that the one game that generates more controversy & stokes the fires of the violent videogame debate than any other is also the only one to tackle these issues head on with the wit & knowing intelligence that its critics could never understand.
It's not perfect, some of the parts of the machine are a little loose & there are a few blemishes, but they pale into insignificance when weighed up against what it gets right. And GTAIV gets so much right.
It's going to be years before anything matches up to its audaciously ambitious vision.
5/5
Cyrus
Bluelighter
my favorite thing to do is go cruising in a hummer mid-afternoon and then perform some "sidewalk surfing."
use your imagination :D
use your imagination :D
Don Luigi
Bluelight Crew
Do you leave the bath running in your safehouse, go to the strip club for a few weeks and then return and literally surf down the sidewalk?
That's all my imagination will lead me to! :D
It's either that or you use the Hurricane Katrina cheat.
That's all my imagination will lead me to! :D
It's either that or you use the Hurricane Katrina cheat.
Cyrus
Bluelighter
haha, nah i cruise through the sidewalk in a pedestrian-heavy area =]
the people fall over your vehicle like a wave!
the people fall over your vehicle like a wave!
Don Luigi
Bluelight Crew
Oh I do that all the time lol
I change the car camera to first person so I can see them go over the front :D Reminds me of the Die Hard 2 game except it had lots of blood.
I change the car camera to first person so I can see them go over the front :D Reminds me of the Die Hard 2 game except it had lots of blood.
Cyrus
Bluelighter
i love how you can take out all sorts of inhuman aggression on the people in this video game. you can't help but think it stops people from doing it IRL :0 but i think that's quite a controversial issue isn't it?
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