very specific morphine sr questions ( as of 2012)

[mygreenbic]

The issue:
I have 3 60mg Morphine Sustained release (orange caplet marked E655 60) image - http://goo.gl/YH8E3
The conflicting information mixed with the different brands and new time release mechanisms in many narcotics left me more confused than when i began researching. Now, i have had plenty of morphine in the past as morphine sulfate IR 15mg. First time having these. Now on alot of the threads the op began the thread worth questions on his morphine sr, and the majority of the responses were using the nomenclature ms-contin which i believe stands for continuous release morphine sulfate. Is that not different than morphine sr (sustained release)? I nor anyone I know has ever had the specific brand and dose of capsule that i have so I basically have zero information worth using, so first off I will give the facts followed by my questions, and if you don't know the answer for certain, i don't mind you helping me but please let me know that you are not completely sure.

My opiate dependance/naiivety
For ten years i did an average of 3 stamp bags of heroin a day. The average stamp in Pittsburgh PA contains ~.1 grams of powder. They contain around 50% heroin #4, X% fentanyl, traces of phenobarb and other "unknown substances". I know this because i was arrested with a few bags and that is what the lab analysis is. I have never been on a drug with a more painful withdrawal and i believe that is the reason they contain fentanyl (skyrockets tolerance and provides an extreme rush which causes conventional opiods useless for getting off sick). Couldn't live that life anymore went on methadone clinic three times in the span of two years, detoxed then was prescribed 24mg subutex daily for four years. Kicked off clinic because of benzo habit and now i take about 8mg suboxone a day sent to me by my compassionate x girlfriend.
Once a month when i get 60 30mg ir amphetamine salts rx'd I trade some for a 100mcg/hr transdermal fentanyl patch. I usually stop my subs for three days so I could feel the patch which led me up to yesterday. Yesterday i did a 75mcg watson gel fent patch sublingually in about two hours time. Sorry for all of that information but I want a precise tolerance model for other people to compare to, and for the questions to be answered as accurate as possible. I was on 100mg cimetidine, 150mg temazepam, 60mg amph, and 50mg hydroxyzine hcl prior to taking the patch. I got high but it wasn't extremely satisfying. Some people are hypersensitive to opiates but I'm the opposite. Hopefully you guys have a good idea of what I can handle.
Questions:
1 Based on the brand, and the time release mechanism, ~ how many mg out of the 180mg sr would be sufficient to get me a nice euphoric/nodding/ dissociated high
2 I plan on taking them orally, so is there any tricks to make them gain the most possible potency without using power tools or a chemistry set (ie chewed, crushed, swallowed whole and if so how many)
3 I have plenty of typical opiod potentiators including hydroxyzine hcl, gabapentin, diazepam, flexeril, omeprazole, temazepam, cimetidine, adderall (maybe that will keep me from falling asleep?), diazepam, tums, magnesium ( believed to possess nmda antagonist properties ), and valerian tea.
Which specific ones from this list are best for morphine sr specifically?
3 Is the time release matrix in these pills unbreakable like op Oxy and the new new opana er?
4 Which would be smarter in terms of euphoria: crushing up a smaller amount, or just swallowing all three whole?

I have more questions but this is a huge original post.
I just figured after reading all of the confusing morphine threads, that i would make this as detailed as possible so the answers could be answered accurately, and so others researching for themselves could get proper understanding by comparing my tolerance and other specific to their own.
Thanks,
Mygreenbic
Ps- i know morphine has a low oral BA but believe it or not plugging and sniffing are lower
Pss- if you can only give a little information please do, i am crashing off amphetamine and withdrawing from suboxone and fen

 

[mygreenbic]

Well thanks for no help guys. I seriously think i have reverse karma. Anyhow, i ended up taking 180 smashed and parachuted. I didn't get high at all, actually i feel worse. And here i was worried i would od. When did pain meds become so half assed? I have myalgia, myositis, degenerative joint disorder ( cervical ) , and osteoarthritis. I'm going to be starting a pain clinic soon, and if a 75mcg/hr fentanyl patch consumed sublingually in less than an hour didn't hardly have effect, what could they possibly give me at a pain clinic to help severe pain?
On some of the threads I was reading people were saying 30mg morph sr was getting them lit. How did I take 6 times that much and not feel anything?
Woa, just near the end of that sentence I started feeling a huge warm euphoria rush in my chest! Is it possible that maybe these take an abnormally long time to kick in?
One more question, is all the amphetamine in my body preventing the opiate from reaching full potential? Or is it a potentiator/synergist of opiate? I might look like I'm asking for advice on how to get high, but it's quite the contrary. I actually know an awful lot about these subjects, but being that I have been awake going on heavy doses of amphetamine salts, fentanyl, three different benzos, and more, it is telling me I'm clearly not thinking properly, and I think I'm doing the right thing by asking my brothers in harm reduction for advice.
I have a tease of coming up on a high and my sleep deprived mind is telling me to take a handful of temazepam or diazepam, and I'm here all alone and kind of just want some personal experience to hear at the least. I feel so confused, I'm craving more adderall ( sorry for rambling, I'm swallowing my pride, someone please say something, I'm getting stimulant crash depression. A little empathy would go a long way)
Here, because I'm a nice guy, I've included an android app that allows you to list all medications ur on and it will explain any interactions. It also gives you access to consumers monographs to professionsl pdr info. Enjoy:
http://goo.gl/B8J1s

 

[Swimmingdancer]

Sorry no one replied to your thread yet . Maybe people just had difficulty getting through the huge post or didn't know the answers. Sometimes posts don't get immediate responses, especially long posts or complicated questions. I will do my best to answer some of your questions:

I have 3 60mg Morphine Sustained release (orange caplet marked E655 60) ... the majority of the responses were using the nomenclature ms-contin which i believe stands for continuous release morphine sulfate. Is that not different than morphine sr (sustained release)?

The pills you have are morphine sulfate sustained release 60 mg made by Endo Pharmaceuticals. MS Contin is a brand name of time-released morphine sulfate made by Purdue Pharma, which comes in several strengths including 60mg. They are the same drug and essentially the same thing, just different brands (well I think the one you have is technically generic). If someone just says morphine sulfate 60mg, they could be referring to any brand, they are just saying the name, strength and formulation of the drug. Sometimes people will use a popular brand name to refer to even the generic versions, just like how some people will call all hydromorphone "Dilaudid", or all facial tissues "Kleenex". If you are taking it orally as intended, then any info applying to morphine sulfate ER/XR/SR will be valid.

Sorry for all of that information but I want a precise tolerance model for other people to compare to, and for the questions to be answered as accurate as possible. ... Some people are hypersensitive to opiates but I'm the opposite. Hopefully you guys have a good idea of what I can handle.

It will be difficult for anyone to give you precise dosing information based on your history, because no one else is going to have the same drug history, same metabolism and same brain as you, so we can only go on averages or estimates. Sorry

1 Based on the brand, and the time release mechanism, ~ how many mg out of the 180mg sr would be sufficient to get me a nice euphoric/nodding/ dissociated high

We aren't really here to help you get high, only to tell you what is likely to be safest. I would definitely recommend you start with a lower dose your first time (as with any new med), because no one can know exactly how you're going to react and you can always take more but you can't undo it if you take too much. Trying to tell you how much to take to get really high could be dangerous, what if it's even a little bit too much and you OD and we feel responsible? The effects might also take longer to kick in then you are used to. The best way to get dosing info is to post what dose of another drug (preferably oral) you normally need to take. If you are on buprenorphine that could definitely block the effects of other opioids.

It sounds like you've already gone ahead and done it, so the best idea would be to wait a few hours and see how it affects you and then you will have a better idea for dosing next time.

2 I plan on taking them orally, so is there any tricks to make them gain the most possible potency without using power tools or a chemistry set (ie chewed, crushed, swallowed whole and if so how many)

Only think I can think of would be crushing them, (but of course it is safer to just take them whole as directed).

3 I have plenty of typical opiod potentiators including hydroxyzine hcl, gabapentin, diazepam, flexeril, omeprazole, temazepam, cimetidine, adderall (maybe that will keep me from falling asleep?), diazepam, tums, magnesium ( believed to possess nmda antagonist properties ), and valerian tea.
Which specific ones from this list are best for morphine sr specifically?

Adderall is not an opioid potentiator, but the usual things like antacids, benzos and antihistamines should all work. Be careful though, especially with the benzos! A lot of people have died from mixing opioids and benzos.

3 Is the time release matrix in these pills unbreakable like op Oxy and the new new opana er?

Not sure, I don't think it's quite as bad, but maybe do a search?

i know morphine has a low oral BA but believe it or not plugging and sniffing are lower

I'm pretty sure plugging is actually higher.

How long has it been since you took it and how are you feeling now?