very sore at injection site

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I just got my hands on some deca 300mg the other day. This is my first steroid cycle and I did my first IM (1ml = 300mg) in the upper right side of my buttocks. However since then I have been experiencing quite a lot of pain in the muscle in my glute where I injected. There is no swelling or redness or anything else to the eye that may be of a concern just the pain I am experiencing.

Its been two days since i did this and am still in a lot of pain(can't walk properly) although i did work out my legs and glutes yesterday. Is this normal??? The only thing i could think of that could cause this amount of pain is the fact that the plunger i used was so stiff to press i had to use two hands once the needle was inside (btw it was a 23) and maybe i wiggled it around too much and would have really been tensing my glutes whilst doing it??? feed back plzz
 
first of all deca alone is stupid, you need some test or your dick and test should always be the base of any cycle

secondly, what you are experiencing is totally normal, its called "virgin muscle syndrome" by some, basically you just caused some trauma to the muscle that it wasn't used too...it'll last about 5-7 days and you'll be fine

if it starts to get very red and unreasonably hot and extremely painful go to the doctor and get it checked out as it could be an abcess, but it is highly unlikely
 
My first question here is the deca itself
Prolly an UG lab....which one? could be dirty
300 deca is a lot for a ml to hold if not done properly.
second, your injection procedure sux, do a little research before your next one.
Third, do what the man says and get some test
 
yeh thanks for the replies.. the soreness did go away. i will be making sure the plunger isnt so stiff next time.. but i think doing a leg work out the following day was a really bad idea. yehh can't get access to test but hopefully getting some sust instead today / tomoro. dont no about the brand of the deca though.. its just in a vile. i asked the guy and was told he orders it in a bladder and just draws the correct quantities out of it into a vile. im assuming its legit, he has sold recognisable legit dianabol pills to coupl of my mates (blue hearts/ pink pentagons)
 
yeh thanks for the replies.. the soreness did go away. i will be making sure the plunger isnt so stiff next time.. but i think doing a leg work out the following day was a really bad idea. yehh can't get access to test but hopefully getting some sust instead today / tomoro. dont no about the brand of the deca though.. its just in a vile. i asked the guy and was told he orders it in a bladder and just draws the correct quantities out of it into a vile. im assuming its legit, he has sold recognisable legit dianabol pills to coupl of my mates (blue hearts/ pink pentagons)

that definitely sounds like a sterility issue on top of the virgin muscle pain...i wouldn't be using the stuff if that is how he says he does it...you have to remember you are putting this stuff in your body, if it were me I'd want it to be as sterile as possible, but it just doesn't sound like he uses a very sterile process at all....if it were me I'd rather find a reliable/reputable underground lab or find an international source to get some pharm grade/human grade stuff...it'll also be a hell of a lot cheaper than the prices most gym guys have

Honestly doing deca alone is one of the dumbest things you could do. You are going to end up causing yourself way more problems than you should be. You definitely need to hold off until you get some test or sust at the very least, though imo, sust is a horrible substance especially for a first time user. You also don't need to be using deca for a first cycle. A good rule of thumb to follow is add one compound at a time, and test should be the first compound you use and the base of all cycles. Reason being is what happens when you start experiencing sides? How will you know what is causing them? What are you going to do to correct them, when just stopping the compound doesn't work? Do you know if you are prone to gyno? Do you have the proper things on hand to counter the estrogen or stop the gyno? Do you know that the gyno caused by test is different than gyno caused by deca? Deca can make you lactate, i.e. your nipples can start leaking milk. Do you know what to do about that? What about your PCT?

It sounds to me like you just found this guy at your gym and he had some stuff and you are completely going off what he is telling you. If this is the case, please stop now and do some research before you screw yourself up for life. If this isn't the case, I apologize, but hopefully somebody else can get something out of the above paragraph.

just because he sold blue hearts/pink pentagons doesn't mean they were legit...it's what was stamped on them that makes them more likely to be legit...if they had no stamps most likely they were fakes
 
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Look i have been doing research more than you might think. im not one of those people that just thinks steroids get big yehh sickk jump on that shit straight away like a mate of mine did.. ive been looking into this online for the past 3 months on and off. i've spent many hours trying to learn as much as possible.

i was not meant to be getting deca. it was meant to be test then last minute i was given deca cuz his test was apparently sold out. started that cycle not realising the risk of deca libido problems. i had spoken to some1 at one of those harm reduction places set up by the government about it. i asked her a number of questions and she didnt tell me there was anyhting wrong with using deca only, infact wen i told her at the time i was getting test she suggested i use something like deca instead cuz its not as androgenic! mayb shes assuming cuz im only using 1 vile, so relatively low doses that i wont get this problem??? i really still dont understand why she is giving a completely different opinion to people on these sorts of boards.

anyway since she suggested this i didn't think there was any problem until i heard from others there was. so i've done alot of research about that and yes i understand i need a test as a base. However i cant get test now only sust off some1 else who i definately trust more, so im seeing it as a bit of a waste of money now to just stop the deca and start the test by iteslf so i wanted to just run both.

I can get access to a number of things. i have clomid for PCT. can get access to nolvadex for test type gyno. you can stop deca type gyno with letro/arimidex right?

about the 23g needle it says on this brochure i have, that i got given by that harm reduction place to use a 19 to draw and a 21-23 to inject. and im pretty sure i read some1 on bluelight saying to use a 23 to inject as well so i was just following what i've read. btw im sure my gear is legit im noticing increase strength/muscle
 
about the 23g needle it says on this brochure i have, that i got given by that harm reduction place to use a 19 to draw and a 21-23 to inject. and im pretty sure i read some1 on bluelight saying to use a 23 to inject as well so i was just following what i've read. btw im sure my gear is legit im noticing increase strength/muscle

Well what I'm saying is while you may want to use a medium/large gauge for IMing your gear, you probably don't need anything larger than a 27g tip. I'm serious, I have 22g tips for making injectable solutions. I have had to stick my poor, poor 5 lb. cat with a 18g needle many times.

Can't you get 25g or 27g tips? I would think that it would "hurt" less after IMing with such a gauge.

I have used 27g tips to IM with before; they didn't ache "that bad" but were a "little" sore at the worst. I can understand you are very sore from a 23g.
 
Look i have been doing research more than you might think. im not one of those people that just thinks steroids get big yehh sickk jump on that shit straight away like a mate of mine did.. ive been looking into this online for the past 3 months on and off. i've spent many hours trying to learn as much as possible.

i was not meant to be getting deca. it was meant to be test then last minute i was given deca cuz his test was apparently sold out. started that cycle not realising the risk of deca libido problems. i had spoken to some1 at one of those harm reduction places set up by the government about it. i asked her a number of questions and she didnt tell me there was anyhting wrong with using deca only, infact wen i told her at the time i was getting test she suggested i use something like deca instead cuz its not as androgenic! mayb shes assuming cuz im only using 1 vile, so relatively low doses that i wont get this problem??? i really still dont understand why she is giving a completely different opinion to people on these sorts of boards.

anyway since she suggested this i didn't think there was any problem until i heard from others there was. so i've done alot of research about that and yes i understand i need a test as a base. However i cant get test now only sust off some1 else who i definately trust more, so im seeing it as a bit of a waste of money now to just stop the deca and start the test by iteslf so i wanted to just run both.

I can get access to a number of things. i have clomid for PCT. can get access to nolvadex for test type gyno. you can stop deca type gyno with letro/arimidex right?

about the 23g needle it says on this brochure i have, that i got given by that harm reduction place to use a 19 to draw and a 21-23 to inject. and im pretty sure i read some1 on bluelight saying to use a 23 to inject as well so i was just following what i've read. btw im sure my gear is legit im noticing increase strength/muscle

I've never heard of a harm reduction center or whatever, but the info you are saying they gave you is not all that accurate. It's great you've been doing research, but honestly you obviously haven't done nearly enough and it seems you don't really care about your body if you are more concerned about losing money vs making sure you aren't injecting bad gear and starting a cycle without having all the necessary ancillaries on hand. If it were me in this position, I'd drop the Deca now and run the Sust or single ester test you get for a cycle by itself, then when you run your next cycle you already have the Deca (hopefully not fake and is sterile), and all you need to do is get some more test and run both. That would be the smart, safe thing to do.

What does your exact cycle look like?

As for the PCT, Clomid is what you need. Do NOT use nolva while taking Deca! Even if you don't experience any progesterone sides from the Deca, nolva can cause them to start. Letro/Adex/Aromasin are the AI's that should be used for test gyno. Pramipexole or Cabergoline are what should be taken for progesterone type gyno.

As for needle sizes, 23g or 25g is what should be used to inject depending on how thick the gear is. Use a 21g or 22g to draw. Anything bigger than those for drawing tears the rubber stopper really bad if you are using a vial risking more contamination.

I can guarantee you that if you just started pinning the deca you are not seeing any effects from it yet. Deca takes around 8-10 weeks to saturate your blood and start showing effects, which is why it should be ran for 12-16 weeks minimum. Anything you are seeing before that is water weight which you will lose or all in your head which is very common also when starting your first couple of cycles.
 
Deca alone is a no no. Deca will shut you down hard. This is widely accepted in the BB community. I strongly suggest stopping, or getting that sust (better yet, cyp or enan) ASAP. You need an AI and I also suggest some HCG if you continue. Like maakshif said, do not use nolva. Never run a 19nor with nolva. IMHO, nolva has no place in a BBr's arsenal. Nolva is a thing of the past.

Pinning with 22-23g is what I use, some use 25g but I don't have the patience for it. The smaller the needle gauge, the longer it takes to inject. The longer you have a pin in your muscle, the better chance you have of getting scar tissue...so smaller is not really always "better".

I would not listen to a word that woman said to you. There are guys that have devoted their entire life to playing this game, I don't think she is one of them. Those clinics are for crackheads and heroin junkies....not really a good place for sound AAS information.


/V
 
Pinning with 22-23g is what I use, some use 25g but I don't have the patience for it. The smaller the needle gauge, the longer it takes to inject. The longer you have a pin in your muscle, the better chance you have of getting scar tissue...so smaller is not really always "better".

I understand why you would use 22g's then. I would never have the heart to stick myself with a 22g but thank you for explaining why you would do this in the first place.

I would have the patience with a 25g. That's just me personally. Thanks for the info Victor!
 
thx for the info. the guy who has the sust is overseas now so it looks like im going to have to just stop this cycle i guess and wait for some test and get better organised with the necessary ancillaries. just to point out though why i did listen to the lady is she rkns shes been doing steroids for 20 years, so you can see why i'd take her word for it.

also one thing i wana ask.. i do have this stabbing pain on the right side of my chest atm. when i breathe in it hurts. Theres no lactating or lumps or itchy/sore niples. just a stabbing pain from within. i got this like 2 days after my chest work out. not sure if this is gyno related or from lifting. ive had 2 shots a 300mg and 400mg. any ideas ? its been going for a few days now
 
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