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Vegetarianism vs meat eating
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socko
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^true.
socko
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^But how many vegetarians are as careful as you in not eating root vegetables or destroying the entire plant?
Some practitioners of the Jain religion observer this too. But i think it's very rare.
Some practitioners of the Jain religion observer this too. But i think it's very rare.
BigBenn
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You have to be joking, the mere fact that you eat vegetables means you are killing plants. Most veggies are annual plants evolutionarily manipulated by selective breeding by humans. You eat corn? You eat wheat? You eat rhye? You eat Barley? Then you have killed plants.
There is no escaping it. You cannot eat without destroying another organism. You my friend, have an issue with life.
There is no escaping it. You cannot eat without destroying another organism. You my friend, have an issue with life.
ebola?
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>>Hardly scientific method, but probably means something.>>
It means that the centurians are mostly genetic freaks who do not respond to typical health-risks in the same way as the rest of us.
ebola
It means that the centurians are mostly genetic freaks who do not respond to typical health-risks in the same way as the rest of us.
ebola
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I want to see a study.skahead17 said:
Maybe thats the difference between me and your above vegan/vegetarian.
He worries about whats "spiritual" while I dabble in the real world. Call me pragmatic but as soon as that organism hits your stomach and is exposed to your digestive system it is killed.
Is it better to kill it before you put it in it or after. See the flaws in your thoughts. To me, having it die within me would be a much "more negative spiritual force" as you might say.
In my world we call them calories, we call them grams of protein carbs fat and alcohols. We call them cellulose ribose and creatinine. In my world, those are the important parts of food, what they are made up of, and broken down into in the body. "Forces" only explain physiological mechanisms that we don't understand.
Get real.
socko
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THis thread is making me crave a huge juicy steak. Maybe I'll grill one for supper tonight.
Ximot
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Eating grains or so.... doesn'tmean no animals were killed in the process. Small animals, but still... during the harvest, thousands, nay, millions of ants... I'd rather kill a plant than an animal but what's one to do?
The food chain... the grains fed cows could feed us all... all 6 or is it now 7 billion people on this planet.
Better healthcare does extend the average lifespan in the West. Yet the tribes who live to ninety or a hundred or even more usualyl don't require much of that. They live natural lives, in touch with nature, and a healthy diet from mineral-rich soils and have much less oxidative stress on their bodies (fewer free radicals due to a more healthy lifestyle). I guess one's emotional state plays a great role too. hence also the ones who grow so old in the West who did just what they wanted. They do not worry and go more with the flow of life. Surely health and happiness are closely connected and influence each other. Balance that with a balanced diet and keep excesses to a minimum and you set yourself good odds that might help counter genetic predisposition... I experimented with vegetarianism and all sort of healthy for a while to the point that I had an internal list of good+bad foods all the time, and, frankly, one can take it too far, to a sort of odd pre-anorexic state where much enjoyment is lost, guilt felt, etc. but I went back not being a food-fascist any more and to enjoy more again. I tend to eat healthy at home except for occasional munchies when stoned (chocoalte attacks in the evening) but will eat almost anything I'm served when offered food outside. But I am picky with meat. I never buy it but do order chicken often when I eat out. The reason I eat it is because my body likes the energy it receives from it. It's easier for me to keep my strength if I eat chicken or fish occasionally.
Yet I believe that we do not NEED it and that the degree of our spiritual evolution can be measured by how we treat other, weaker, species. When we eat them, we are merely taking advantage because we can, bot because we need to. This says a lot about human nature, imo. Regarding plants- they are certainly alive but I hold the view that they are not sentient beings in the same sense as animals. Animals are very much like us.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunza <-- This tribe is said to be blessed with exceptional longevity (see "Hunza Diet" and "Hunza People")
The food chain... the grains fed cows could feed us all... all 6 or is it now 7 billion people on this planet.
Better healthcare does extend the average lifespan in the West. Yet the tribes who live to ninety or a hundred or even more usualyl don't require much of that. They live natural lives, in touch with nature, and a healthy diet from mineral-rich soils and have much less oxidative stress on their bodies (fewer free radicals due to a more healthy lifestyle). I guess one's emotional state plays a great role too. hence also the ones who grow so old in the West who did just what they wanted. They do not worry and go more with the flow of life. Surely health and happiness are closely connected and influence each other. Balance that with a balanced diet and keep excesses to a minimum and you set yourself good odds that might help counter genetic predisposition... I experimented with vegetarianism and all sort of healthy for a while to the point that I had an internal list of good+bad foods all the time, and, frankly, one can take it too far, to a sort of odd pre-anorexic state where much enjoyment is lost, guilt felt, etc. but I went back not being a food-fascist any more and to enjoy more again. I tend to eat healthy at home except for occasional munchies when stoned (chocoalte attacks in the evening) but will eat almost anything I'm served when offered food outside. But I am picky with meat. I never buy it but do order chicken often when I eat out. The reason I eat it is because my body likes the energy it receives from it. It's easier for me to keep my strength if I eat chicken or fish occasionally.
Yet I believe that we do not NEED it and that the degree of our spiritual evolution can be measured by how we treat other, weaker, species. When we eat them, we are merely taking advantage because we can, bot because we need to. This says a lot about human nature, imo. Regarding plants- they are certainly alive but I hold the view that they are not sentient beings in the same sense as animals. Animals are very much like us.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunza <-- This tribe is said to be blessed with exceptional longevity (see "Hunza Diet" and "Hunza People")
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Ximot, if a vastly superior alien race visited earth, and they developed a taste for humans and didn't consider us sentient beings on the same level as themselves, which would you consider preferable?
a) they continue eating their version of domesticated animals, who are 100x more intelligent than humans.
b) they start eating humans.
a) they continue eating their version of domesticated animals, who are 100x more intelligent than humans.
b) they start eating humans.
MynameisnotDeja
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UnfortunateSquid said:
On vegetables alone..? Of course not. BUt a REAL, healthy vegetarian diet is full of all the protien a human body needs. I eat plenty of beans, brown rice, cheese, whole grain breads, nuts and seeds, and soy to get plenty of protien.
Sure Id probably get sick if I ate nothing but apples but thats not a healthy vegetarian diet. I hate when people act like its so black and white, as if you arent eating meat you are eating sticks and berries. I eat plenty of healthy, nutritious food, and I feel much healthier than when I ate meat.
I quit for spiritual/ethical reasons not health reasons but my health has benefited too!
There really is absolutely no need for human beings to eat meat, or for the meat industry to exist at all. Its a cruel, WASTEFUL, unneccessary industry.
BigBenn
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If you read my next post you would see I addressed this issue and showed its illogical naturesaturnine said:
Bigbenn says: "as soon as that organism hits your stomach and is exposed to your digestive system it is killed."
"Is it better to kill it before you put it in, or after.
See the flaws in your thoughts.
To me, having it die within me would be a much "more negative spiritual force" as you might say."
BigBenn said:
i don't see the flaws in my thoughts; i do see the flaws in your grammar, though.
i do see where you're coming from, but i wasn't really speaking from a spiritual standpoint per se.. as you seem to be. i was to understand that this thread was about what's healthy, not what is ethical or spiritually virtuous.
i am talking about health, so if you're here for philosophy i suggest T&A.
the inherent nurtitional value of something can be altered by things such as freezing and mircrowaving. . .and you don't think that degredation/death would also change it? i don't know about you, but i want the maximum amount of benefit from the things i eat..
vegetables and plants in general are a food source for a huge amount of creatures on our planet ; they are there to nourish us -- do i feel bad for eating them? no. they multiply like mad, they make their own food source internally, and they don't feel pain as we know it. if it has been plucked from its tree or life source already, it's going to degrade/die anyway...might as well eat it at a fresher stage and put that dying organism to the best use possible..
do you really think a browning vegetable is preferable to a green one just because it wont "die" in your body since it has already started dying before you ate it?
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