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i'm curious about the health affects of a vegetarian diet. 6 months ago i decided to try becomming a vegetarian and now there's no going back (i cant digest meat anymore and have no desire to go through the painful process of reintroducing it). rather than research this on my own i thought i'd take advantage of anyone here whose knowledgeable on the subject and test out this new forum which i've been dying to post in. so what sorts of things do i need to eat to stay healthy? if you're a vegetarian how do you feel it has affected you so far? is there anything else i should know?
 
Well if you are still eating dairy thats a good source
of protein. Protein is easier to get than most people think,
I get probably too much protein and I am a vegan..So
protein you do not have to worry about. The B Vitamins
make ALL the difference.I did not know this but a deficiency
of B vitamins can cause symptoms that are indistinguishable
from schizophrenia. And I had to experience this first hand
before researching it later on. B Vitamins come from a lot of
non meat sources (avocados, nutritional yeast, soy tempeh,
soy sauce and other fermented products.cereals). When
on the run cliff bars, soygen...the Odwalla protein
shakes and their equivalents
(im trying to avoid odwalla as much as possible now that coca
cola has bought them out but sometimes you may not have an
option)..Last year I lived off of the Super Proteins, and
the Vanilla Almond Soy Shakes (which have a lot of B vitamins).

You also need your omega 3s...people will try to spread disinformation
and tell you that fish oil is the only source for this..If you do not know
already flax seeds are a great source of omega 3. You can purchase flax
seed oil and use it to cook or buy flax seed pills from whole foods
or even gnc.
 
i became a vegetarian a few years ago and feel healthier now than i have ever felt in my life. i can't say for sure if it is only because of the lack of meat but i can say that it's very possible to be healthy and not eat meat

yogurt is a good source of protein, and cheese is too, though it's not as healthy. I love cheese though, i get extra cheese on 4 cheese pizzas, thats how much i love cheese =D

b12 is the only vitamin that is hard to find naturally in non animal sources but if you eat dairy (especially cheese) it's not a problem, and even if you dont eat dairy it's fortified into a lot of vegan and vegetarian foods like soy milk and soy meat analogs

soy is also a good source of fatty acids (omegas), as are many nuts and seeds, and well as olives, avacadies, and other fatty plants

it's really easy to get everything you need as a vegetarian i think =D
 
Meat and edible products from animals is probably the biggest health problem we face.

When I was a kid I got a lot of ear infections. It was only later on did I learn that all those hours of pain were caused by milk and the ugly shit that inhabits that drink made for calves.

Nowadays, the meat industry (in America, primarily) is a ruthless scheme of marketing, indoctrination, and stressful manufacturing. Animals are pumped full of hormones in order to produce milk, eggs, and grow about 4x faster than a regular animal. This results in a bulbous, meager life for the animal, one marked by disease, cannibalism, and a light-less cage with nowhere to move.

Now, I'm not trying to pry on your emotions, despite the facts surrounding the parallel between animal killing and the holocaust in the United States, but to be blunt, we do not need animals.

Soy is a wonder plant that can be manipulated to give you sufficient (and healthier) fuels for your body. It has an amazing amount of protein, vitamins, and can be processed into cheese, milk, cream, yogurt, icecream, meat-substitute, and more. If you don't believe me, go to the local big-chain supermarket and check out the vegetarian section. Imagine, products made to mimic the foods you love, without cholesterol, trans fats, and the diseases that populate them (ie earinfections).


Here are a few things to consider:

-----> Our girls are hitting their menstruation ages as low as 6. The average dropped a decade. Women used to mature at the same rate as men, but look into a Jr. High school and you'll see the difference. This is because of the generations and indoctrination of eating hormones in meat and animal products. The estrogen pumped into cows to make them produce milk faster and get their life-producing skills overflowing is mutating our women!


-----> Milk sucks! Those commercials on tv lie. Yes, milk has some healthy vitamins, but it's been proven that it actually HELP POTENTIATE bone disease because the protein eats your calcium like a leech! They also contain no fiber or complex carbohydrates and are laden with saturated fat and cholesterol. They are contaminated with cow's blood and pus and are frequently contaminated with pesticides, hormones, and antibiotics. Dairy products are linked to allergies, constipation, obesity, heart disease, cancer, and other diseases.

-----> At the present time, more than one-third of U.S. raw materials and fossil fuels are allocated to animal agriculture. Conversely, plant-based proteins require eight times less fossil-fuel energy.

----->Ecologist David Pimentel says the standard meat eater exhausts the equivalent of a gallon of gas per day--double the amount needed to cultivate a vegan diet.

-----> Save the rainforest? A single burger signifies a deficit of five times its weight in topsoil. Modern meat factories literally ravage once living soil, particularly rainforests at a rate of 125,000 sq. miles per year. One rainforest-produced patty clears 55 sq. feet of land. The meat industry regularly razes segments of 20-30 plant species, 100 insect species, and dozens of bird, mammal and reptile species.

------> And finally, the poop statistic: A report for the U.S. Senate Committee on Agriculture, Nutrition and Forestry found that farmed animals expel 130 times as much fecal matter as the entire human population.
 
OH gee, I forgot to mention that nutritionists (the non Atkins-payroll ones) say that a non meat diet will virtually prevent heart disease?

Life-threatening cholesterol only exists in animal products. Look guys, we just don't have carnivorous enzymes, ok? If we did, we would be able to eat meat without cooking it. Hey, I can eat vegetables without cooking them, why not meat..

Anywho:
The average animal-eater's cholesterol is around 200.
The average veggie's is about 160.
The average vegan's is about 128.

Now where the heart disease thing comes in, nutritionists say that heart disease is preventable if your cholesterol is under 150.

Look, I know PETA preys on your emotions, but who gives a fuck about anything except yourself, right?! I know I have that view! If you want to be healthy, boycott animal products for your body and the environment (which eventually effects your body).

Do you want pus, hormones, antibiotics (which help bacteria become immune to treatments), diseases, heart attack-inducing cholesterol, and feeling sluggish after eating meat? I don't! Please consider an animal-free diet.
 
Well, I do not eat a lot of meat (not a veg, just dont like to)and my opinion (unfunded as it is) is that you do not need "meat subsitutes" at all. Just eat normally.
 
^^ I offered the meat substitutes for the people still holding onto their little barbeques and such. I have quite a many of friends who grew up with meat in everything, and cannot possibly throw it out. But then I've given them fake chicken patties, fake corn dogs, all made out of soy. They cannot distinguish, thus I like to corner every factor that keeps Americans and the like from eating what they should for themselves. If they need to nuke something in the microwave for their meals, I will give them options.. anything but killing yourself slowly with meat (irony..)

But yes, you can eat "normally". Normally to the human body would be allowing yourself to find a healthy food pyramid to give your body enough fuel, vitas and minerals, and healthy life-promoting substances. Legumes, oils, fruits, vegetables, anti-oxidants, and the such will keep your body quite zen and disease-resistant.
 
StagnantReaction said:
-----> Our girls are hitting their menstruation ages as low as 6. The average dropped a decade. Women used to mature at the same rate as men, but look into a Jr. High school and you'll see the difference. This is because of the generations and indoctrination of eating hormones in meat and animal products. The estrogen pumped into cows to make them produce milk faster and get their life-producing skills overflowing is mutating our women! [/B]

Nothing makes me angrier than to read people bitching about hormones in meat products. If you knew ANYTHING about endocrinology, you would know that hormones taken orally are destroyed by the liver.

Why do you think that they have to methylate and esterify exogenous estrogen in birth control pills and other medications? Because if they didn't, there would be NO effect whatsoever because the liver would destroy it.

God, the very idea is just ludacris if you know anything about the human endocrine and hepatic system!

StagnantReaction said:
Life-threatening cholesterol only exists in animal products. Look guys, we just don't have carnivorous enzymes, ok? If we did, we would be able to eat meat without cooking it. Hey, I can eat vegetables without cooking them, why not meat..

This is just ridiculous, OF COURSE WE HAVE "CARNIVOROUS" ENZYMES! They're called protease and amylase. And the last time I checked we can eat raw meat. I eat steak that's just barely seared all the time. What about steak tar-tar?

StagnantReaction said:
Do you want pus, hormones, antibiotics (which help bacteria become immune to treatments), diseases, heart attack-inducing cholesterol, and feeling sluggish after eating meat? I don't!

I do agree with you about the antibiotics, they're something that the meat industry should stop using. But, your argument about cholesterol is off because cholesterol consumed in food has nothing to do with serum cholesterol levels. My cholesterol is 130, it's damn near perfect. I've already gone over the hormone thing. And feeling sluggish after eating meat? I can bench 325, squat 600, and I run the 40 yard dash in 4.8 seconds. I also eat 8 clean meals a day, each with at least 12oz of meat, fish, or foul; low GI complex carbs; and plenty of polyunsaturated fats. Name me JUST ONE vegan that can honestly boast those kind of stats and I'll go vegan forever. I'm the perfect human specimin in terms of athletic ability, and I'm a huge meateater because I know that meat is going to repair my muscle tissue thus improving my athletic ability, thus improving my HEALTH. I've never met a vegan who was athletically superior in any way, or that even looked healthy, most are just stick thin and look like they have wasting syndrome.
 
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StagnantReaction said:
Meat and edible products from animals is probably the biggest health problem we face. [/B]

The biggest health-related problems we face are high fructose corn syrup and partially hydrogenated oils(trans-fats). The stats don't lie.
 
mr.scagnattie said:
vegatarians suck
Thank you for that oh-so intelligent viewpoint...

Idiot, you didn't even spell vegetarian correctly.

I have nothing against someone saying that they don't believe in eating vegetarian, as long as they have a reason, and go ahead and say that vegetarians suck, just as long as you can back it up.

And Roger, you eat 12oz of meat 8 times a day? That's 96 ounces. As in 6 pounds of meat a day? That can't be healthy...


Also :here is proof that there are many vegan athletes, even body builders.
 
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Thats actually quite a list....

Now roger, you have to become a veg! You promised! :D
 
SublimeZen124 said:
And Roger, you eat 12oz of meat 8 times a day? That's 96 ounces. As in 6 pounds of meat a day? That can't be healthy...

I follow a diet that was formulated specifically for me by a sports nutritionist. It's basically high protein, high polyunsaturated fat, and moderate carb. I'm healthy as anyone I know, my lipid profile is perfect, I feel great etc.

Of course I wouldn't reccomend that diet to someone who isn't a strength athlete, I'm merely saying that meat can and should be incorporated into a healthy diet. Early humans were hunter-gatherers, they ate alot of meat and alot of complex carbs and fiber. That's what we're meant to consume.
 
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Roger, I fully agree with your address on the trans fat and sucrose issue.

But, you Roger, are a fine specimin indeed. One might even liken you to the physique of a cheetah, or whichever animal you please. You work like an animal, and use every potential benefit meat has to offer. In optimum health, one barely gets affected by Many of us are not fit or do not use it, therefore letting it hurt our health. For example, 80% of blacks and 20% of whites do not have lactase to digest cow's milk.

"Early humans were hunter-gatherers, they ate alot of meat and alot of complex carbs and fiber. That's what we're meant to consume."
Early humans fought to survive and did things out of desperation. Given a choice of food, I would not eat McDonald's unless I had $2 in my pocket. That's desperation. We are an advanced civilization right now, capable of eating multifacited groups of foods that will provide sufficient nutrition and prevent diseases. Meat today improves your chances of getting cancer and disease. But of course, today's meat is infected with horrendous chemicals and things that buffalo and deer our ancestors ate did not have. Cows are fed sawdust. Chickens are fed other chickens. 55% of animals are given antibiotics. 55% the US diet containing chlorinated hydrocarbon pesticides comes from meat, 23% from dairy products, 1-6% grains, veggies, fruits. 99% of our mothers' milk now contains DDT. Only 8% of vegetarian mothers have this. Violet dye used to stamp meat for years is now banned as it was proven carcinogenic. In 35 years, the amount of male college students that were sterile jumped from 5% to 25% and sperm count is down 30%. The principal reason for sterility is pesticides. 94% of these pesticides are attributed to meat, dairy, fish, eggs.

And for the average man, the most common cause of death in the US is from heart attack. The risk of heart attack by a vegetarian: 4% Risk for raw food dietist: 0-1% I would guess that for the average man, meat is not a good source of healthy nutrition.

In 1950 the average Japanese consumed 5.5 pounds of milk and dairy... By 1975 that number had increased to 117.4 pounds. During that 25 year period, the average 12-year-old girl gained 19 pounds, grew 4 1/2 inches, and the average age of menarche went from 15.2 years to 12.2 years. How else do you explain this?

Rise in blood cholesterol from consuming 1 egg per day: 12%
Rise in heart attack risk from 12% rise in blood cholesterol: 24%

Roger, your cholesterol is 130, yet one simply eating a vegan diet and not physically working oneself a fraction of what you do can obtain a few points lower.

As for growth hormones in milk,
"After the rBGH milk is consumed, IGF-1 is not destroyed by human digestion. Instead, IGF-1 is readily absorbed across the intestinal wall. Additional research has shown that it can be absorbed into the bloodstream where it can effect other hormones."
This happens because the hormones are almost identical in human and bovine, thus readily available to hop across species. We saw this in the mad cow crisis (a result of cows eating dead cows, then us eating those cows).

Europe has BANNED hormonal milk from America, unless labeled as such. The FDA does not require labelling.

Also, 80% of cows treated with this hormone get udder infection, resulting in PUS which is NOT regulated by the FDA (they love the hormone), and is ready to infect a cereal bowl near you.

"Diseases which are commonly prevented, consistently improved, and even cured by a vegetarian diet include: Heart disease, strokes, osteoporosis, kidney stones, breast cancer, colon cancer, prostate cancer, pancreatic cancer, ovarian cancer, cervicalc ancer, stomach cancer, endometrial cancer, diabetes, hypoglycemia, kidney disease, peptic ulcers, constipation, hemorrhoids, hiatal hernias, diverticulosis, obesity, gallstones, hypertension, asthma, irritable colon syndrome, salmonellosis, trichinosis, etc."

Athletes who didn't eat meat
Only man to win Ironman Triathlon more than twice: Dave Scott (6 time winner)
Food choices of Dave Scott: Vegetarian
World record holder for 1 day triathlon (Swim 4.8 miles (7.7 km), cycle 185 miles (298 km), run 52.5 miles (84.5 km)): Sixto Lenares
Food choices of Sixto Lenares: Strict vegetarian
Athlete who most totally dominated Olympic sport in track and field history: Edwin Moses (undefeated in 8 years, 400 meter hurdles)
Food choices of Edwin Moses: Vegetarian
Other notable vegetarian athletes:* Stan Price (world record bench-press)* Carl Lewis (world¹s fastest man, 8 Olympic gold medals, 7 world records)* Robert Sweetgall (world¹s premier ultra-distance walker)* Paavo Nurmi (20 world records in distance running, 9 Olympic medals)* Bill Pickering (world record - swimming English Channel)* Murray Rose (world records - swimming 400 and 1500 meter freestyles* Andreas Cahling (winner - Mr. International body-building championships)* Roy Hilligan (winner - Mr. America body-building championships)* Pierro Verot (world record for downhill endurance skiing)* Estelle Gray and Cheryl Merek (world record for cross-country tandem cycling)* James and Jonathan deDonato (world record for distance butterfly stroke swimming)* Ridgely Abele (winner of 8 national championships in Karate, including U.S. KarateAssociation World Championships)* Peter Burwash (highest fitness index of any athlete in Canada)* Alan Jones (world record for continuous sit-ups - 17,003)151. Raw-foodist athletes:* George Allen (held the world record for walking form Land¹s End in Cornwall to JohnO¹Groats at northern tip of Scotland; he lives mostly on raw vegetables).* Barbara Moore (broke George Allen¹s walking record).* Fausto Coppi and Luis Ocana (world-renowned cyclists trained onraw-foods by French herbalist Maurice Messegue).* Dick Gregory (In 1974 he ran 900 miles (1450 kilometers) exclusivelyon fruit juice; a one-time American comedian, he is now a raw-food nutritionist who often works in thesport of boxing -- he has worked with boxers such as heavyweight champion Riddick Bowe.)* Joe "The Atom" Greenstein (American strongman who enjoyed wide popularity in the 1930s.)

On energy:
Length of time world's petroleum reserves would last (with current technologies) if all human beings ate meat-centered diet: 13 years
Length of time world¹s petroleum reserves would last (with current technologies) if all humanbeings ate vegetarian diet: 260 years

Principal reason for U.S. intervention in Persian Gulf: Dependence on foreign oil
Barrels of oil imported daily by U.S.: 6.8 million
Percentage of energy return (as food energy per fossil energy expended) of most energy efficient farming of meat: 34.5%
Percentage of energy return (as food energy per fossil energy expended) of least energy efficient plant food: 328%

Percentage of raw materials consumed in U.S. for all purposes presently consumed to produce current meat-centered diet: 33%
Percentage of raw materials consumed in U.S. for all purposes needed to produce pure vegetarian diet: 2%

Agriculture:
Human population of the United States: @ 300 million
Number of humans that can be fed by the grain and soybeans eaten by U.S. livestock: 1.4 billion
Percentage of corn grown in U.S. eaten by livestock: 85%; percentage of corn eaten by humans: 15%(99.999% of which is cooked)
Percentage of oats grown in U.S. eaten by livestock: 95%
Percentage of protein wasted by cycling grain through livestock: 90%
Percentage of carbohydrate wasted by cycling grain through livestock:99%
Percentage of dietary fiber wasted by cycling grain through livestock: 100%
How frequently a child dies of starvation: Every 2 seconds
Amount of potatoes that can be grown on 1 acre (4,047 square meters of land: 20,000 lbs. (9,072 kg)
Amount of beef that can be grown on 1 acre (4,047 square meters) of land: 165 lbs. (75 kg)
Percentage of U.S. agricultural land used to produce beef: 56%
Amount of grain and soybeans needed to produce 1 pound (or kilogram) of feedlot beef: 16 lbs. (7.3kg)
Amount of protein fed to chickens to produce 1 pound (or kilogram) of protein as chicken flesh: 5lbs. (2.3 kg)
Amount of protein fed to hogs to produce 1 pound (or kilogram) of protein as hog flesh: 7.5 lbs. (3.4kg)
Number of children who starve to death every day: 40,000
 
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As for growth hormones in milk,
"After the rBGH milk is consumed, IGF-1 is not destroyed by human digestion. Instead, IGF-1 is readily absorbed across the intestinal wall. Additional research has shown that it can be absorbed into the bloodstream where it can effect other hormones."
This happens because the hormones are almost identical in human and bovine, thus readily available to hop across species.

I pay thousands of dollars for rIGF-1, and now I find out that all I have to do is drink some milk?????:X :D

But in all seriousness, IGF-1 can increase the rate of tumor growth in existing tumors, but besides that there are little adverse effects on health. Possibly even desirable effects like fat loss and strengthening of the bones and tendons. I'm going to double check whether it can survive human digestion and the first pass through the liver, which would be very uncommon for a 191 amino acid hormone. I know that tgfB-1 can survive digestion because of the extra methyl group that's attached to it, but I've never read anything about IGF-1 being able to survive digestion. So I'm going to double check that.
 
It causes breast cancer. Enough fucking said. Of course it fucks with your estrogen hormonal balance.
 
I haven't noticed any change in health transitioning to vegetarianism or veganism.

My meals are now less calorically dense, though, so I eat a lot more often than I used to though.

ebola
 
StagnantReaction said:
It causes breast cancer. Enough fucking said. Of course it fucks with your estrogen hormonal balance.

IGF-1?? Are you joking me? You've seriously got to be kidding. It can exacerbate tumor growth in EXISTING tumors. But it most certainly doesn't cause breast cancer. In fact I've talked to three different oncologists and they've all assured me that IGF-1 doesn't cause cancer, only exacerbates the growth of existing tumors.

And how does insulin-like growth factor-1 mess with estrogenic hormonal balance? Maybe it does in women, I'm not sure, but it has effect on aromatase in men, therefore effect on estrogen.
 
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