Scrofula
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Don't you guys "debate, discuss and dialogue" on this stuff in the Philosophy and Spirituality Forum?
Vegas Mandalay Bay mass shooting / Gun Control 2017 Thread
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Don't you guys "debate, discuss and dialogue" on this stuff in the Philosophy and Spirituality Forum?
Sure I love the philosophy thread. I love the English language and people who are skilled in using it effectively yet artistically. I think that's the primary reason I still come on here; to stay relatively sharp as a writer considering the last time I found myself using English in a classroom was over ten years ago, (I'm 31).
I do consider the primary objective of bluelight to be harm reduction and dissemination of safe drug use techniques/habits. When I can I will gladly lend some advice to someone in need of my experience and knowledge, but I find most of the time someone else has already provided the same information I would've.
I might disagree with Soacejunk on nearly everything, but I still respect him as an intellect and a writer. And I respect anyone who doesnt use put-downs or resort to petty name calling. You don't have to hate someone just because what they have posted bothers you
I do consider the primary objective of bluelight to be harm reduction and dissemination of safe drug use techniques/habits. When I can I will gladly lend some advice to someone in need of my experience and knowledge, but I find most of the time someone else has already provided the same information I would've.
I might disagree with Soacejunk on nearly everything, but I still respect him as an intellect and a writer. And I respect anyone who doesnt use put-downs or resort to petty name calling. You don't have to hate someone just because what they have posted bothers you
Scrofula
Bluelight Crew
THat's good to hear. One thing I respect is people who don't overreact to getting scolded when their post is in poor taste; not even deleted but you'd think the gestapo came to disappear them based on their whining. Most people would realize they don't have the audience they're looking for (unless they're trolling for something) and move on without getting butthurt and complaining about underappreciation of dubious scholarship.
I also respect people who can at least be consistent with their political insults and understand the concepts behind things like liberalism and fascism, public and private.
Escher's Waterfall
Bluelight Crew
This talk of "can't be an echo" makes me think there's not a lot of hunters in this thread.
JessFR
Bluelight Crew
You know what conspiracy theories are? And this is gonna sound like a conspiracy theory itself but it's not.
They are a modern example of mind control. Excellent, well designed mind control. The system of the Internet has created an environment where conspiracy theories, presented in a way that is essentially mind control, can spontaneously manifest and propagate just like a virus through evolutionary natural selection. Nobody behind it, just natural environmental factors and selection. The theories presented so that they best self propagate rise to the top.
Mind control exists, there's an entire industry devoted to it called advertising. Getting people to believe shit that's obviously untrue. Same thing.
And the worst part is it's not the stupid people most vulnerable to it. It's the people a little more intelligent than average.
Mark my words, you could invent a completely make up almost any conspiracy theory you like and design it in such a way that you WILL have people believing it and then helping you propagate it.
They are a modern example of mind control. Excellent, well designed mind control. The system of the Internet has created an environment where conspiracy theories, presented in a way that is essentially mind control, can spontaneously manifest and propagate just like a virus through evolutionary natural selection. Nobody behind it, just natural environmental factors and selection. The theories presented so that they best self propagate rise to the top.
Mind control exists, there's an entire industry devoted to it called advertising. Getting people to believe shit that's obviously untrue. Same thing.
And the worst part is it's not the stupid people most vulnerable to it. It's the people a little more intelligent than average.
Mark my words, you could invent a completely make up almost any conspiracy theory you like and design it in such a way that you WILL have people believing it and then helping you propagate it.
I used to think the same thing Jess, I would think it was all bullshit.... then I watched a documentary with my friend about 9/11 and all these respected engineers were discussing the control demolition , and how the buildings were actually built to withstand the impact of a passenger jet.... and that did it for me..... ever since then I was more open to so called conspiracy theories. . . I heard a lot of chatter about Sandy HOok, but I never really investigated that one...... When I heard about Las Vegas , (and I hardly really get into this stuff) The first thing I thought was "this sounds like bullshit" and low and behold I wasn't alone, not by a long shot.... I got to the point after 20 hours of going through it, that yeah, I think this is another inside job ..
swilow
Bluelight Crew
"The first thing I thought" or "after 20 hours", which one?
Fresco
Bluelighter
So tell us, why would the US gubbernment decide to blow up 2 skyscrapers and kill a few thousand people??
Give us a motive, please???
(I know I'm gonna regret asking this though)
I think in many ways, you're right.
People like alex jones and the people that work for his "organisation" are disinfo propagandists who (like a lot of conspiracy writers or presenters) make an awfully large income doing what they do.
I'm not going to deny that i occasionally indulge in some conspiracy theory reading or youtube watching, a couple of times a year.
Sometimes if i feel like chilling and doing something vaguely fun for an afternoon, i'll watch a conspiracy film or two, or read a bunch of crazy articles about how the doors, the byrds and frank zappa were pushed into the limelight to discredit the 60s anti-war youth counterculture, or some crazy shit like that.
I'll ponder it for a bit, pick holes in all the bizarre conclusions drawn, and get on with my life.
It can be a fun critical thinking exercise to watch these things critically.
It's like a puzzle: spot the massive leap in logic that this whole theory hinges on.
They usually use an assumption or a badly managed piece of government PR that has been twisted to appear extremely sinister.
As far as academic writing goes, it's a joke. All "evidence" is supposition and based on coincidence or assumption - and there are no references or footnotes to speak of.
In terms of writing, it's not history - it's 'entertainment', not serious academia.
That's why i don't buy the argument that conspiracy theory is a serious investigation - it's not. A lot of it is seriously indulgent fantasy, often with a distinct political bias and agenda.
It's fun to read sometimes - but that's all it is. Fun. I see it as a harmless novelty, until millions of people start taking it literally.
It's not the sort of thing that should be considered equal in serious discourse, because it isn't intellectually honest.
If some of these writers used the kind of standards everyone else is held to - citing sources, referencing claims etc - then i'll treat them with the appropriate amount of respect. But until then, i think it's just a niche industry that's gotten out of hand, and nobody quite knows how to put it back in the bottle. It's tainting political discussion across the western world, and normalising a lot of view points that normally would be on the fringes (with good reason).
Scrofula
Bluelight Crew
It takes the depth of scholarship that allows one to know that a conspiracy of tens of thousands of people is more likely than a single guy creatively editing an engineer's interview, to determine just what it is the lizard people want. I say it's best we leave this man alone so he can focus on getting to the bottom of it.
Scrofula
Bluelight Crew
I understand what you mean (conceptually), I just can't help picturing deer learning to call out what they overheard the hunters griping the night before. Could be a good strategy to sound like one of their wives.
Fresco
Bluelighter
I have to admit, I LOL'ed at that
aihfl
Bluelight Crew
Scrofula
Bluelight Crew
^That would be great if we had any idea what we were looking for. Even if he had periaqueductal Gray in the shape of a gun pointing at a left ventricular gyrus that resembled a country music fan, it wouldn't tell us much. And then what, screen everyone? Then again, it might fund more mental health.
(And I remember Texas clock tower kid told people his brains were bad before, and at autopsy they found a tumor. But has anyone really seen that from a reliable source?)
(And I remember Texas clock tower kid told people his brains were bad before, and at autopsy they found a tumor. But has anyone really seen that from a reliable source?)
JessFR
Bluelight Crew
Yep. Medical report to the governor.
http://alt.cimedia.com/statesman/specialreports/whitman/findings.pdf
The short version is that it's never been determined with any certainty that the tumor had any relationship to his behavior. Neither can it be entirely ruled out.
But there have been many similar spree shootings since and no noted trend as far as organic neurological causes for such behavior has ever been observed.
Basically, most spree shooters have psychological motives, not brain tumors etc.
aihfl
Bluelight Crew
Read City in the Sky by Eric Lipton and James Glantz if you want to know about the construction of the WTC and why they collapsed. It's pure BS that the buildings could have withstood the impact of a passenger jet. The resulting fires caused the steel supports of the buildings to soften and ultimately fail.
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cj
Bluelight Crew
I mean the kid was normal then started having headache and personality changes. Told people something was wrong with his brain then had a giant tumor at autopsy. That's pretty good evidence to me.
Scrofula
Bluelight Crew
the part that I wonder about, in this story, is how we know the kid told everybody his brain was breaking? Who were the witnesses to the personality changes, or did it just come after an autopsy revealed a little tumor?
It's really not important, I just like telling the Claire De Lune story, and then realized, wait, what if that second-hand story in the documentary is full of shit? No way to verify it.
It's really not important, I just like telling the Claire De Lune story, and then realized, wait, what if that second-hand story in the documentary is full of shit? No way to verify it.
Kittycat5
Bluelighter
Yeah I wanna apologize for saying gun owners want to kill. I was going through some crappy symptoms following kicking dope and just angry. Still pretty anti-gun but this was just stupid of me.