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^^ Most cannibals to my knowledge don't breed and kill humans for their diet. If you're not hurting anyone else, do what you want IMO.
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MynameisnotDeja
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ebola? said:
Hmmmmm well I dont consider fish something okay to eat for a vegetarian...its an animal after all (I really hate when people are like "Im vegetarian..but I eat fish"...uh well then your NOT a vegetarian).
I think I could be very healthy as a vegan. The only things Id be cutting out are dairy and eggs and I dont see how those can benefit me much (I make sure to get plenty of protien and calcium).
MynameisnotDeja
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shutterbug said:i really love meeting other vegetarians/ vegans. if i'm talking to someone and i find out that they are one i instantly feel a connection with them that is very nice. do you guys feel that way too?
Yes.
ebola?
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>>Hmmmmm well I dont consider fish something okay to eat for a vegetarian...>>
Nor do I. Nor would anyone with a functioning dictionary. I was talking about the healthiest diet possible...not what a vegetarian is.
I am still a vegan, but I can see that fish intake (barring water pollution) can be a very healthy thing.
ebola
Nor do I. Nor would anyone with a functioning dictionary. I was talking about the healthiest diet possible...not what a vegetarian is.
I am still a vegan, but I can see that fish intake (barring water pollution) can be a very healthy thing.
ebola
Tritoch said:
what if?
if someone chooses to be a cannibal...then they are choosing a socially unaccetable diet that is also nutritionally bankrupt.. it's their burden to carry (not quite the same as being vegan per se, but to each his own.)
if they get a job at the morgue, they can get some food without breaking the law. if a body is dead and its going to putrefy anyway, who cares what happens to it? as long as the cannibal isnt a murderer..
i'm definitely grossed out by the idea of cannibalising, but if i don't have to do or see it, i don't care.
i don't really see where you were going with that one; seemed like you just wanted to jump on something because the "no exceptions" statement is so easy to poke at.
Ive been a vegetarian my whole life bar a few years in my teens when i tried all kinds of meats...
Ive just recently started cutting out dairy and eggs in a slow process of evolving to vegan...... Enjoying it so far! Its not too big a change from my normal diet really, ive just swapped the skimmed milk to rice milk, using houmus instead of philly cheese on my lunches, and i never ate much in the way of eggs, so im not missing them either... its the chocolate im going to have the hardest time with, ive slipped up a few times already. If i wasnt such a pig, id stock my cupboards with vegan friendly chocolate, but unfortunately, if its there i eat it all instantly. hehe. damn!
Anyway. My reasons are mainly for environmental reasons... i dont like what the animal industry is doing to the earth, we don;t need animals to live a healthy life, especially in the western world. We are blessed with the alternatives that are available, so yeh, feel better about not supporting the animal industries!
Ive just recently started cutting out dairy and eggs in a slow process of evolving to vegan...... Enjoying it so far! Its not too big a change from my normal diet really, ive just swapped the skimmed milk to rice milk, using houmus instead of philly cheese on my lunches, and i never ate much in the way of eggs, so im not missing them either... its the chocolate im going to have the hardest time with, ive slipped up a few times already. If i wasnt such a pig, id stock my cupboards with vegan friendly chocolate, but unfortunately, if its there i eat it all instantly. hehe. damn!
Anyway. My reasons are mainly for environmental reasons... i dont like what the animal industry is doing to the earth, we don;t need animals to live a healthy life, especially in the western world. We are blessed with the alternatives that are available, so yeh, feel better about not supporting the animal industries!
swilow
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I am a 'vegetarian', I eat no red meat or poultry, though I eat fich if I catch it myslef- that is soimething that actually has started upsetting me, so I'll probably stop.
To me, veganism is to vegetariasm what christians are to fundamentalists- black and white, no grey, all or nothing. I avoid that sort of thinking, but I applaud everyone who makes a stance against the factory linees of death many farm animals face.
Plus, I don't want to EVER feel responsible, unless I am willing to get blood on my hands, for the end of MAGIClife in another sensient being......
To me, veganism is to vegetariasm what christians are to fundamentalists- black and white, no grey, all or nothing. I avoid that sort of thinking, but I applaud everyone who makes a stance against the factory linees of death many farm animals face.
Plus, I don't want to EVER feel responsible, unless I am willing to get blood on my hands, for the end of MAGIClife in another sensient being......
Great post saturnine (28/9). I'm in a similar position...
I've been a vegetarian for ethical reasons for 2 years now. I'm very happy with my decision, and after seeing a naturopath to check out my health, I've altered my diet slightly and am very healthy. I needed to add a source of Omega-3 by consuming linseed/flaxseed oil everyday (I recommend it if you have the cash, everyone keeps saying I look ultra healthy!). This is to make up for the lack of fish in my diet.
I spent some months living with my non-vegetarian parents last year and found myself having that vegetarian conversation many times with them. I don't want to be fanatic and I respect other people's dietary decisions. It is great to be able to explain why I am doing this and why it is important, without alienating omnivores. The reality is that doing your bit is a continuum, not a black/white decision. My parents will continue eating meat, but they have now become aware of organic meat, of factory farming conditions, of free-range eggs, etc. I've said they can do a little bit for the environment and the health/welfare of animals, by buying less factory farmed meat and having one or two vegetarian meals a week so they end up eating less meat.
I've been trying some elements of veganism, mainly removing cow diary and replacing with soy dairy. It works fine for me. I have a lot of respect for vegans, though I think we all have to be patient when talking about our lifestyle choices with others, so they don't think we are all nutters
I've been a vegetarian for ethical reasons for 2 years now. I'm very happy with my decision, and after seeing a naturopath to check out my health, I've altered my diet slightly and am very healthy. I needed to add a source of Omega-3 by consuming linseed/flaxseed oil everyday (I recommend it if you have the cash, everyone keeps saying I look ultra healthy!). This is to make up for the lack of fish in my diet.
I spent some months living with my non-vegetarian parents last year and found myself having that vegetarian conversation many times with them. I don't want to be fanatic and I respect other people's dietary decisions. It is great to be able to explain why I am doing this and why it is important, without alienating omnivores. The reality is that doing your bit is a continuum, not a black/white decision. My parents will continue eating meat, but they have now become aware of organic meat, of factory farming conditions, of free-range eggs, etc. I've said they can do a little bit for the environment and the health/welfare of animals, by buying less factory farmed meat and having one or two vegetarian meals a week so they end up eating less meat.
I've been trying some elements of veganism, mainly removing cow diary and replacing with soy dairy. It works fine for me. I have a lot of respect for vegans, though I think we all have to be patient when talking about our lifestyle choices with others, so they don't think we are all nutters
spacefacethebassace
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I've recently started leaning more towards vegetarianism after being raised a hearty meat-eater. It's so damned hard to eat vegetarian on campus though, there are NO plant-based protein sources here. And the meat that they do serve SUCKS.
Right now I live on a diet of cereal, drugs, and black coffee. I take my Omega-3's though
Right now I live on a diet of cereal, drugs, and black coffee. I take my Omega-3's though
willow11 said:
Totally. Which is why i dont think i can ever be 100% vegan... hardcore vegans are well, hardcore....... (but i also give them a lot os resPECT)... i just dont have the self control to be 100% vegan...i wish i did though.
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I was vegan for a couple of years but started having mad cravings for meat and was feeling a bit sick and pale all of the time. Once I started eating a bit of animal protein again, I felt (and looked) much better.
However, I totally agree that factory farming is fucked up and consider myself quite selfish for indulging in its slimy fruit. I can't wait to get a couple chickens...soon......
on the honey issue: When I was helping my friend with his bee hives I observed a few things.
A couple of the bees get smashed inadvertently. They fly under the honey boxes and there are hundreds of them..very hard to avoid a few accidental casualties. On the other hand, plowing/tending a field also results in a lot of insect deaths....I couldn't say which one is harsher towards bugs really.
You only harvest 1/4 of the honey at one time, leaving the bees all natural food and no reason to feed them sugar water.
One hive will produce A LOT of honey. Keeping a hive is a very easy way to increase pollination of all surrounding plants and extract a ton of carbs out of sunshine.
I was working for a hippy local producer so that probably has something to do with the benign methods.
However, I totally agree that factory farming is fucked up and consider myself quite selfish for indulging in its slimy fruit. I can't wait to get a couple chickens...soon......
on the honey issue: When I was helping my friend with his bee hives I observed a few things.
A couple of the bees get smashed inadvertently. They fly under the honey boxes and there are hundreds of them..very hard to avoid a few accidental casualties. On the other hand, plowing/tending a field also results in a lot of insect deaths....I couldn't say which one is harsher towards bugs really.
You only harvest 1/4 of the honey at one time, leaving the bees all natural food and no reason to feed them sugar water.
One hive will produce A LOT of honey. Keeping a hive is a very easy way to increase pollination of all surrounding plants and extract a ton of carbs out of sunshine.
I was working for a hippy local producer so that probably has something to do with the benign methods.
I'm not vegetarian or vegan though I have toyed with a vegetarian diet for a while and my meat consumption is pretty low. I've got a good friend who is vegan and I do admire his commitment. After all, if you decide not to eat meat for ethical reasons then why still eat farmed eggs and dairy products. Millions of male chicks are killed each year as they're useless for the egg industry. Likewise male calves end up as burgers.
I like meat and at the moment I'm fairly comfortable eating small quantities of locally sourced, outdoor reared animals. I've seen the slaughter process (small scale) and I accept it as a necessary part of eating meat. I think if you find it repulsive then you should question your diet. Certainly people that get their meat shrink wrapped from a supermarket and try to ignore the reality of it all cannot effectively argue against vegetarianism/veganism. I'm still debating the ethical implications of eating meat and maybe it isn't right to rear animals for food. Maybe one day I'll become vegetarian but no-one is going to influence me in my decision.
I like meat and at the moment I'm fairly comfortable eating small quantities of locally sourced, outdoor reared animals. I've seen the slaughter process (small scale) and I accept it as a necessary part of eating meat. I think if you find it repulsive then you should question your diet. Certainly people that get their meat shrink wrapped from a supermarket and try to ignore the reality of it all cannot effectively argue against vegetarianism/veganism. I'm still debating the ethical implications of eating meat and maybe it isn't right to rear animals for food. Maybe one day I'll become vegetarian but no-one is going to influence me in my decision.
ebola?
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>>To me, veganism is to vegetariasm what christians are to fundamentalists- black and white, no grey, all or nothing.>>
I don't see it this way, perhaps because I don't see how being 100 percent vegan would be viable. I've never met a vegan who, for example, eschewed watching movies and using computers.
We all make our compromises in life, they just rest at different points.
ebola
I don't see it this way, perhaps because I don't see how being 100 percent vegan would be viable. I've never met a vegan who, for example, eschewed watching movies and using computers.
We all make our compromises in life, they just rest at different points.
ebola
gloggawogga
Bluelighter
Shitting out a whole lotta vegetables sure feels a lot better for my aging ass than shitting out a whole lotta meat. That's for sure.
not_broken_420
Bluelighter
Tritoch said:
I agree that humans take advantage of the earth. I don't agree with killing something for its coat, etc. but I see no problem with eating meat. Don't animals eat each other?
ginisfluff
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I have been vegetarian for 9 years, not because I don't believe humans should eat animals, but i object to the cruel way in which animals are bred and farmed. I eat fish and very occasionally free range meat (i.e at xmas) if it is truly free range and I am sure the animal had a happy life.
My sister has been vegetarian for 12years, she doesn't believe humans should eat meat...plus she went off the taste of meat a long time ago and it just disgusts her now.
My mum has been veggie for about 8years, she believes that if you couldn't kill it, then you shouldn't eat it.
My brother has never been interested in being a veggie....infact when my sister became veggie he became a carnivore to 'balance things out' which lasted about a week (he was only 12).
Anyways about 2 months ago he decided out of the blue that he would become vegan and is now trying to convince us to go vegan as well.
Now I would love to not eat dairy products because I believe that the way that the animals are farmed is cruel.
I can live without milk, and butter, but I really don't know If i could manage without cheese, or chocolate.
We have our own chickens and have no problem with eating their eggs, but eating non-free range eggs when I am out or egg containing produce, does bother me.
For my birthday my brother bought me a huge hamper of vegan food and is going to cook vegan for us for the week he is home.....so I have agreed to try veganism for a week.
Today at work I had toast with marg and jam (instead of scrabbled egg on toast) + tea with soya milk for breakfast. For lunch, vegan 'cheese', tomato and humus sandwiches and some pringles (apparently some crisps have milk in them!?!?) and for dinner I had some cous cous, and vegan choccy biscuits.
For my first day it wasn't too bad, but I can see my menu options becoming very bland and repetitive.
To make it worse I've just got back from the dam and brought back a load of yummy cheese, chocolates and advocat (egg nogg for americans)
Will see how the week goes....
Anyways I was wondering if there was such a thing as cruelty free diary products? advocate it quite easy to produce free-range once happy meat produce, but is it even possible to produce cruelty free milk, when it is really only a by-product of constantly getting cows pregnant, taking their babies away and stealing their milk?
On a side note, it was quite an eye opener today to see how many people I work with have no idea what veganism is. "No milk? no eggs? no cheese? no chocolate? why? I don't understand? "
My sister has been vegetarian for 12years, she doesn't believe humans should eat meat...plus she went off the taste of meat a long time ago and it just disgusts her now.
My mum has been veggie for about 8years, she believes that if you couldn't kill it, then you shouldn't eat it.
My brother has never been interested in being a veggie....infact when my sister became veggie he became a carnivore to 'balance things out' which lasted about a week (he was only 12).
Anyways about 2 months ago he decided out of the blue that he would become vegan and is now trying to convince us to go vegan as well.
Now I would love to not eat dairy products because I believe that the way that the animals are farmed is cruel.
I can live without milk, and butter, but I really don't know If i could manage without cheese, or chocolate.
We have our own chickens and have no problem with eating their eggs, but eating non-free range eggs when I am out or egg containing produce, does bother me.
For my birthday my brother bought me a huge hamper of vegan food and is going to cook vegan for us for the week he is home.....so I have agreed to try veganism for a week.
Today at work I had toast with marg and jam (instead of scrabbled egg on toast) + tea with soya milk for breakfast. For lunch, vegan 'cheese', tomato and humus sandwiches and some pringles (apparently some crisps have milk in them!?!?) and for dinner I had some cous cous, and vegan choccy biscuits.
For my first day it wasn't too bad, but I can see my menu options becoming very bland and repetitive.
To make it worse I've just got back from the dam and brought back a load of yummy cheese, chocolates and advocat (egg nogg for americans)
Will see how the week goes....Anyways I was wondering if there was such a thing as cruelty free diary products? advocate it quite easy to produce free-range once happy meat produce, but is it even possible to produce cruelty free milk, when it is really only a by-product of constantly getting cows pregnant, taking their babies away and stealing their milk?
On a side note, it was quite an eye opener today to see how many people I work with have no idea what veganism is. "No milk? no eggs? no cheese? no chocolate? why? I don't understand? "
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Just like to throw my 2 cents in here.
I was vegetarian for 4 months, beans and rice were my favorite. I found some fake hamburger patties in the produce section of the supermarket that we're off the chain, can't remember the name of them (not the frozen ones).
Vegetarianism can be very healthy depending on your bloodtype. If you are type A, limiting meat is the way to go for good health.
I eventually caved in after my 4 months because it is difficult to live in a society of meat eaters and not be one yourself.
I was vegetarian for 4 months, beans and rice were my favorite. I found some fake hamburger patties in the produce section of the supermarket that we're off the chain, can't remember the name of them (not the frozen ones).
Vegetarianism can be very healthy depending on your bloodtype. If you are type A, limiting meat is the way to go for good health.
I eventually caved in after my 4 months because it is difficult to live in a society of meat eaters and not be one yourself.
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^^ Agreed. What can a vegetarian eat that is considered "American" cuisine? French fries?
LvMkngFlwrChld
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beans, rice, pancakes(without eggs) peanut butter and jelly.... not that hard to think of tons of things you can eat that are widely available in america. its not hard to do if you have a little self control. scratch that, i have no self control and i do it.
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Yes, I am a lazy vegetarian as well..
But good luck ordering at a restaurant. I despise them here.
But good luck ordering at a restaurant. I despise them here.