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Veganism/vegetarianism and "ethical" lifestyle choices

Eating fake meat when you go vegan/vegetarian is like puffing on e-cigarettes after you quit smoking or drinking non-alcoholic beer/wine after you quit drinking... or injecting saline after you quit slamming meth...

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Most of that stuff is pretty bland, but there are many, especially men, who hate to cook and will only heat, who will mostly subside themselves on that stuff when they stop eating meat. Not all of it is that horrible, but some is. Most of that soya stuff is bad, but you can always eat soya hot dogs and they don't taste much different to normal hot dogs (don't taste much anyway), but if you eat too much you tend to want to throw up, and I mean purge all of it. So it's probably not that healthy.
 
It's all the salt and etc in processing, probably. And at least in the U.S. I think most soy is probably genetically modified. I know Europe doesn't have it as bad as we do and ban much of what is allowed here, so I don't know. What that stuff does when eaten constantly in large amounts has been argued. Some is undeniable that it effects/potentially effects the one eating it. That and other chemicals. Always get organic at least unless you know how it is grown is preferred.

But without seeing the ingredients it would be tough knowing. Even if I knew them. No idea. Overeating is never really good. I notice I feel better if I eat smaller portions, in general. Large portions make me want to pass out.

Also certain plants have inhibitors of digestion...

https://www.mercola.com/article/soy/avoid_soy.htm
The Chinese did not eat unfermented soybeans as they did other legumes such as lentils because the soybean contains large quantities of natural toxins or "antinutrients." First among them are potent enzyme inhibitors that block the action of trypsin and other enzymes needed for protein digestion.
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I can't handle much processed food. Last week I didn't feel like cooking so I tried making a bag of tomato pasta. And apart from the pasta it was mostly synthetic so it didn't go down too well. But soy is supposed to be particularly unhealthy and is probably worse than most things.
 
soy milk and tofu shouldnt be eaten everyday
but in moderation. soy beans are great and I use that quite often
 
Can I just confirm, while I have the opportunity, that miso soup is okay to consume on a daily basis?
I've always assumed that it's okay but I've never looked into it... does anyone know?
 
Ninae said:
Most of that stuff is pretty bland, but there are many, especially men, who hate to cook and will only heat, who will mostly subside themselves on that stuff when they stop eating meat. Not all of it is that horrible, but some is. Most of that soya stuff is bad, but you can always eat soya hot dogs and they don't taste much different to normal hot dogs (don't taste much anyway), but if you eat too much you tend to want to throw up, and I mean purge all of it. So it's probably not that healthy.
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Yeah, there are some awful faux-meats out there but there are also good. Some of the Linda McCartney stuff is decent. Vegetarian sausages that don't take 12 hours to digest!
 
FEA said:
Can I just confirm, while I have the opportunity, that miso soup is okay to consume on a daily basis?
I've always assumed that it's okay but I've never looked into it... does anyone know?
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Honestly, the supposed harms of soy are poorly understood and established enough that we probably don't know. However, the fermentation process and small serving size might eliminate whatever given dangerous compound (eg, enzymes that inhibit tyrosine's breakdown, estrogenic isoflavones, etc.).

ebola
 
There's nothing unclear about phytoestrogens, if you eat a lot of soy you're going to have higher estrogen plasma levels
(un)fortunately there's no testosterone counterpart, and dietary cholesterol has 0 effect on most.
 
abject said:
There's nothing unclear about phytoestrogens, if you eat a lot of soy you're going to have higher estrogen plasma levels
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This is incorrect. The phytoestrogens in soy function largely as weak partial agonists at estrogen receptors, entailing a slight (but largely inconsequential) increase in estrogenic function in males, and a slight (but largely inconsequential) decrease in estrogenic function in females. I mean, I wouldn't supplement with extracted isoflavones, but I wouldn't worry about soy foods.

ebola
 
What do you mean phytoestrogens have a slight inconsequential increase? How much?
If strong changes occurred with normal intakes Japan would be all sorts of fucked up, but there studies showing clear estrogen changes (of drastic measures) through prolonged excessive intake of soy products (among other related foods)
Luckily the changes are reversible, once u start eating like a sensible person (read: moderation) your natural homeostasis returns
 
What do you mean phytoestrogens have a slight inconsequential increase? How much?
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It's rather difficult to give a straightforward measure, as these phytoestrogens don't increase the activity of estrogen itself but rather act as estrogen-mimics.

there studies showing clear estrogen changes (of drastic measures) through prolonged excessive intake of soy products (among other related foods)
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I could be wrong; I'd be interested in seeing these.

ebola
 
So, I found some bacon in the freezer.
It belonged to my girlfriend, back when she was still eating meat on a regular basis.
Anyway, it was approaching use-by... so I ate it...

I'm just wondering if all vegetarians/vegans do this... and, if not, why not?
Is it better / worse to throw away the meat?

What is the ethical issue, if any, when it will otherwise go to waste?
And, by extension, does the same apply to an animal that died of natural causes?
If you have a pet sheep, do you make mutton stew when it dies or do you bury it.
In which case, should I have buried the bacon?

It's not something I'm losing sleep over.
I just haven't quite worked it out, yet.
And, I thought it might generate some discussion.

:)
 
ForEverAfter said:
So, I found some bacon in the freezer.
It belonged to my girlfriend, back when she was still eating meat on a regular basis.
Anyway, it was approaching use-by... so I ate it...

I'm just wondering if all vegetarians/vegans do this... and, if not, why not?
Is it better / worse to throw away the meat?

What is the ethical issue, if any, when it will otherwise go to waste?
And, by extension, does the same apply to an animal that died of natural causes?
If you have a pet sheep, do you make mutton stew when it dies or do you bury it.
In which case, should I have buried the bacon?

It's not something I'm losing sleep over.
I just haven't quite worked it out, yet.
And, I thought it might generate some discussion.

:)
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I know rednecks just love pork, and they're always giving me frozen cuts of pork. No matter how much I tell them I don't eat it and keep refusing, they keep on giving it and even sending it in the mail. The one time I tried to eat it a few years ago, I had heartburn for a week. Pork is so disgusting to me that I leave it in the bushes for stray dogs to eat.
 
if meat is offered to me, ill eat it. especially if it would go to waste, it would be a total lost to throw it away, might as well eat it.
ForEverAfter said:
So, I found some bacon in the freezer.
It belonged to my girlfriend, back when she was still eating meat on a regular basis.
Anyway, it was approaching use-by... so I ate it...

I'm just wondering if all vegetarians/vegans do this... and, if not, why not?
Is it better / worse to throw away the meat?

What is the ethical issue, if any, when it will otherwise go to waste?
And, by extension, does the same apply to an animal that died of natural causes?
If you have a pet sheep, do you make mutton stew when it dies or do you bury it.
In which case, should I have buried the bacon?

It's not something I'm losing sleep over.
I just haven't quite worked it out, yet.
And, I thought it might generate some discussion.

:)
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the problem for me is only when we buy meat, as it encourage the industry. once its bought, theres nothing else to do and the harm, imo, is already done. however, if you eat it and get attached to its taste, maybe its tempting to go buy more. but if you can resist, I dont see harm in eating meat when its been offered, but even then, its a bit controversial.
 
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