Veganism/vegetarianism and "ethical" lifestyle choices

[swilow]

I guess, upon reflection, that this actually is the thread to discuss telepathic communication with animals.

But- it makes the "vegetarian/vegan" side look like lunatics. :D

You are aware that David Berkowitz (Son of Sam) also communicated with his neighbours dog? I would be very sceptical regarding the content of what it says. How can you know for sure that telepathy isn't just your own brain thinking to itself?

 

[socko]

My neighbor's dog's name wasn't really Sam. I was trying to be funny, and since I always change names on here, including the names of neighbor's pets for privacy purposes, I used that name on purpose. I knew the dog because he lived in the same apartment house, and I would take care of him and walk him when the neighbor was out of town.
I think animal telepathy is an acceptable topic, especially in a forum where people post about reincarnation and communication with their guardian angels. The experiences that I call 'telepathy' with the dog and many other animals and humans are subjective, of course, but that really is how I perceive it. Whether or not it's a flight of fancy is for you to decide, but I use the name Sam to remind you not to take it too seriously. I hope I haven't sabotaged the vegan/vegetarian side.

 

[Journyman16]

You engaged in a conversation that started from a spelling correction by implying the importance of grammar. I, simply, found it ironic that you are so terrible with your grammar. I was asking if you were aware of your poor grammar. Apparently, you are not.

Yeah... but no. Your corrections leave much to be desired and show more of a wish to post something than actual grammar corrections.

I will correct the first few paragraphs for you:

Clearly[,]reading is not your forté[,] either. Both added commas are irrelevant and the sentence is correct as originally written.

I did not claim it matter[ed], (yep, correct on this except it was meant to be an 's' not an 'ed' - as I clearly stated, people make typos and this is one that spell check would not highlight.) I pointed out no errors (except your 'punctuation' one later on, mostly for the irony)[missing a period] nope, doesn't need a period inside the parentheses I corrected no mistakes, and it is more irony[ironic] nope again, irony is exactly correct - as in it is another instance of irony not an escalated form of the previous one you claim I distracted from the debate as [,]at least[,] nope again, there IS a comma missing but correct grammar would have it after the word 'debate,' which I guess you missed :D I included on topic conversation in my post - unlike this one of yours. And[,] I diminished nobody's credibility.


And[,] I'm guessing you don't know enough grammar to follow through on your implied offer to correct my English... this and the previous one are incorrect - in both cases 'and' is a part of a complete sentence and doesn't need a comma at all. Same thing for the one you put below before Paris. I think maybe you are using commas incorrectly and trying to use them as voice cues?

The worst place I found for smelly people was Paris -[this should be a period or semicolon]Actually no it shouldn't. It is a dash, (as is the following one) something that is hard to do with a keyboard, which is why it has spaces - which it shouldn't - but neither does a hyphen so the spaces serve notice this is not a hyphen. :D I figure it must be why they got into so perfumes so heavily. And[,]Paris is not renowned for a vegetarian diet as a city -[this should be a colon] see previous comment lotsa meat, lots of meat-based sauces[,] etc. But[,] nope, another comma used unnecessarily. However there could have been one used after 'smelt' but you missed that. :D it wasn't meat I smelt it was unwashed bodies, mostly with an attempt to cover it with rather sickly smells some might call fragrances.

So, all in all, pretty much a flunk. But at least you tried and you get kudos for that. Mostly in the past, such 'challenges' have simply drawn more abuse so that's a well-done, son... :D

By the way, when you corrected my spelling error, you did distract from the observation I made about your grammar by drawing attention to irrelevant attempts to diminish my credibility.

That reasoning doesn't make sense. First, it isn't irrelevant. You challenged my punctuation and twice misspelt the word. It is irony, not diminishment... unless of course that is how YOU choose to let it affect you. And that's not my problem, nor is it my 'distraction.' Nor, for that matter, did I correct it in that post, I simply highlighted it to point out the irony. :D

 

[Journyman16]

I don't know about you guys, but typing on a phone is like texting a friend. I will not pretend that my posts will ever be free of errors.

And nobody ever suggested they should be. I make no such claims either, but spell check is pretty simple to use, so at least the more obvious ones are worth fixing.

On the other hand, grammar is so difficult that even Microsoft can't get it right and they have trying for 20 years. :D

Now can we return to the scheduled programming? :D

 

[Journyman16]

My neighbor's dog's name wasn't really Sam. I was trying to be funny, and since I always change names on here, including the names of neighbor's pets for privacy purposes, I used that name on purpose. I knew the dog because he lived in the same apartment house, and I would take care of him and walk him when the neighbor was out of town.
I think animal telepathy is an acceptable topic, especially in a forum where people post about reincarnation and communication with their guardian angels. The experiences that I call 'telepathy' with the dog and many other animals and humans are subjective, of course, but that really is how I perceive it. Whether or not it's a flight of fancy is for you to decide, but I use the name Sam to remind you not to take it too seriously. I hope I haven't sabotaged the vegan/vegetarian side.

I doubt the 'lunatic fringe' can be defined by their choices in food types. :D

I don't know about actual telepathy with them but there are many instances of (in particular) dogs knowing things most people would not credit. And there are certainly strong bonds between dog and master, so that would seem to provide the first level of connection needed for deeper communication.

 

[What 23]

And that bond goes down to their very being. They developed to survive as our companions, so they would definitely be good at picking up on us. Dogs at least, it is in their nature to be of our nature...

 

[Erikmen]

Agree with you totally!
It's really about dogs and telepathic communication with them

 

[One Thousand Words]

Don't forget about eating vomit and licking their own genitalia.

 

[swilow]

I hope I haven't sabotaged the vegan/vegetarian side.

Hey man, no I got the feeling you were joking and tried to kind if joke back but my brain evidently loaded up the wrong progranm.

I do, however, sometimes think that such a diet can entice people with other, less-then-conventional ideologies and this, in turn, can lead the more sceptical or conservative to associate vege/vegan (V/V) with these other idea's and thus dismiss it as one and the same.. It's a valid dietary choice that becomes weird when start people referring to the 'vibrational energy' of meat or somesuch. I think that phenomenon has occurred throughout this thread to an extent. Or the more fundamentalist v/v are distracting in their black-and-white fervour and their hardline is repelling, inducing more opposition despite their own attempts to convince.

I do note that we have had hardly any current meat-eaters in this thread actually applauding or admiring the choice (though there have been some). More have acted like they are actually opposed to it and consider it to be negative and reflect negatively on the subscriber... And this doesn't appear to be a reaction based on something.

I don't know about actual telepathy with them but there are many instances of (in particular) dogs knowing things most people would not credit. And there are certainly strong bonds between dog and master, so that would seem to provide the first level of connection needed for deeper communication.

Dogs in particular seem to be able to pick up on very subtle clues from humans which is suggestive of a greater intelligence then what we may assume. I also wonder if perhaps dogs communicate with other dogs in a similarly subtle manner. It makes me wonder if we are undervaluing the intelligence of dogs and, by extension, other animals. If they are as adept at communication as some appear, it makes me feel more convinced that I wish to be vegan.

 

[Journyman16]

If they are as adept at communication as some appear, it makes me feel more convinced that I wish to be vegan.

And yet dogs are carnivores... :D

I don't think I am in the 'opposed' camp, but I probably like both my seafood and steaks too much to become a vegetarian. I have had periods however, where I have fasted for days at a time and also gone 'juicer' for health reasons. And it takes time after such times to adjust back to a meat-rich diet. If one jumps straight back to a 'normal' diet one can get quite severe reactions.

I'm not quite sure why that is. There appears to be a change in how the stomach functions when no meat is consumed for some time and with fasting, there is a need to ease back into consuming any solid foods - even too much juice can cause unwelcome effects.

 

[swilow]

Dogs are probably anti-vegetarian too TBPH.

 

[Journyman16]

Nah... they like almost everyone, but sane dogs can give good advice on who to trust as well... :D

 

[swilow]

^My dearly departed Rottweiler friend, Henry, was something of a mixed bag when it came to character judging. One of my friends, who was essentially a freeloading dick, Henry utterly loathed and would growl at and try and stare down. Because of his size I had to be quite firm with him, but he never went to far. However, he treated one of my closest friends in the same way, and this friend is totally chilled out, kind, thoughtful and friendly. I don't know why, but Henry hated him...

Apart from those guys, Henry basically loved the entire world, though a lot of it made him nervous. He would always get over his nervousness with a little bit of food of course . The poor fellow, I still miss him so much.

I think dogs are both intelligent and totally dumb at the same time :D They are very like humans in that sense

 

[socko]

Dogs definitely pick up on things we can't perceive. Some dogs can detect cancer in humans. They can also predict seizures. They can pick up things about people's character like your Henry could. I'm not sure why they like some people and hate others, to the point of hating the nice guy and liking the dick. Dogs and cats seem to love me for some reason. I'm the kind of guy that you might see several strange dogs run up to and greet me at the park.

 

[Ninae]

If dogs could perceive you were vegetarian in any way, with the way they are I'm sure they would love you even more. Dogs never react negatively to humans if there is any way to react positively.

 

[Erikmen]

Dogs definitely pick up on things we can't perceive. Some dogs can detect cancer in humans. They can also predict seizures. They can pick up things about people's character like your Henry could. I'm not sure why they like some people and hate others, to the point of hating the nice guy and liking the dick. Dogs and cats seem to love me for some reason. I'm the kind of guy that you might see several strange dogs run up to and greet me at the park.

I have had dogs during all my life and one thing I know about them is their capacity to read you well and smell feelings as it seems to be one of their best characteristics.
I believe they see in you a friendly person who like animals and have no intentions to hurt them, on the opposite.

Dogs are nice to people like you, they want to play and they predict you mean no harm. Probably kids may sense a little of that too.

 

[Journyman16]

Cool... so back to the subject.

The eye-opener for me about veggie life style was the Hare Krishna cafe that was in Melbourne. (still there AFAIK) First unusual thing was you didn't HAVE to pay - they simply asked you to give what you thought it was worth and you could afford.

The meals provided were varied, but some were stunning in flavour and appearance. Some were a bit bleh to western tastes and one or two were simply not food. (IMO :D)

But for a young carnie from the country it was a genuine surprise that non-meat food could be so good.

 

[turkalurk]

I know my motivations, and I feel no embarassment. I am having good fun and enjoy its entertainment value while spreading ego awareness to my fellow man. Regardless of what he says, I believe my point has been made. His brain could remember this experience and use it to better gauge the possible risks.

I will be moving on because he cares more than I do about proving how great he is. I am unwilling to invest newr as much time arguing where commas should go. I didn't expect that I needed to. I thought he knew his grammar wasn't perfect. I let him sucker me into wasting more time than I bargained for. Hopefully, my brain will remember this, and I will just laugh it off when someone complains of something they themselves aren't the greatest at.

 

[Erikmen]

Point taken. In regards to the grammar, like I said different rules apply when you are in the Internet.
I find it even more challenging to write in others languages.
One most know it's abbreviations, learn without the proper vowels and accents, etc.

 

[swilow]

Cool... so back to the subject.

The eye-opener for me about veggie life style was the Hare Krishna cafe that was in Melbourne. (still there AFAIK) First unusual thing was you didn't HAVE to pay - they simply asked you to give what you thought it was worth and you could afford.

The meals provided were varied, but some were stunning in flavour and appearance. Some were a bit bleh to western tastes and one or two were simply not food. (IMO :D)

But for a young carnie from the country it was a genuine surprise that non-meat food could be so good.

How about Lentil as Anything? Similar concept, vegie food and pay as you feel. I've been there a few times and, to avoid being seen as a cheapskate, I usually pay probably way more then the food is worth. I think most people do, to avoid the same thing I wished to. They'd make a killing I think (wrong term I guess).

There's some really awesome vegetarian and vegan food out there if you look I quite enjoy the 'mock-x' stuff (mock fish, mock duck, etc.) Some of it is awful, but through trial and error I have found some really good products. The product called 'Cheatin' is some very tasty mock-ham. I recommend it.

That said, I don't eat that much pretend meat products. I'm not a fan of hugely processed food, and that's exactly what this stuff is...