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Veganism/vegetarianism and "ethical" lifestyle choices

I will try to write down some dinner recipes that children would definitely love and wouldn't miss any meat.
 
These are some of the most satisfying vegetarian meals I know how to make. They're very nutritious compared to what most people eat (meat or not). And show you can still have a versatile cuisine.


Cold Cheese and Tomato Sandwich

⦁ Fresh bread
⦁ Butter
⦁ Ruccola salad
⦁ Cheese slices
⦁ Tomato slices
⦁ Mayonnaise
⦁ Chopped leeks or onions
⦁ Salt and pepper

Spread the butter over the bread, add ruccola salad, cheese, tomatoes, salt and pepper, mayonnaise, onions.

Hot Grilled Cheese Sandwich

⦁ Some fresh bread
⦁ Grillable cheese (Houloumi, etc.)
⦁ Tomatoes
⦁ Onions
⦁ Ruccola salad
⦁ Spicy butter
⦁ Salt and pepper

Bake the bread until warm. Grill the cheese, tomatoes, and onion. Spread spicy butter over the bread, add ruccola salad, add the grilled cheese, tomatoes, and onions. Salt and pepper.

Vegetarian Pizza

⦁ One store-bought roll of pizza dough
⦁ Tomato sauce (I usually mix tomato puree and ketchup, salt and pepper, but you can also crush fresh tomatos)
⦁ Grated cheese
⦁ I tin of corn (or fresh corn)
⦁ 2 small tins of pinnaple bits
⦁ 2/3 chopped pepper
⦁ Some chopped baby tomatos
⦁ One chopped red onion

Bake for 15-20 minutes on 200 degrees

Cold Salad

⦁ Ruccola salad
⦁ Grated cheese (Mozzarella)
⦁ Chopped tomatoes
⦁ Chopped leek
⦁ A mix of mayonnaise + creme fraiche for dressing
⦁ Salt and pepper

Blend well and use the ingredients at room temperature.

Hot Salad

⦁ Grilled cheese
⦁ Chopped walnuts (or almonds)
⦁ Ruccola salad
⦁ Chopped tomatoes
⦁ Chopped onions
⦁ Finely chopped pepper
⦁ Spiced butter
⦁ Salt and pepper

Grill the cheese, roast the walnuts, fry the onion and peppers, blend with ruccola salad, add melted butter, salt and pepper.

Scrambled eggs/Omelette (for one)

⦁ 3 eggs
⦁ Chopped walnuts or ground almonds
⦁ Chopped onions or leeks
⦁ Finely chopped paprika
⦁ Tomatoes
⦁ Some chopped ruccola
⦁ Butter
⦁ Cream
⦁ Cheese

Put some butter in the pan. Roast the walnust, onion, and paprika. Fry the tomatos until soft. Put the eggs into a mixer and add some cream and cheese (not much). Add some chopped ruccola and salt and pepper. Stir fry in a pan until it looks done.

Pasta with White Sauce and Broccoli

⦁ Fresh pasta
⦁ Boil broccoli in cream until tender
⦁ Fried onion
⦁ Add some cheese
⦁ Salt and pepper

Creamy Pasta with Tomatos

⦁ Fresh pasta
⦁ Fried chopped onion
⦁ Fried finely chopped peppers
⦁ Fry tomatos into a sauce
⦁ Add some creme fraiche
⦁ Add some cheese
⦁ Salt and pepper

Spicy Tomato Pasta

⦁ Fresh pasta
⦁ Fried onions
⦁ Fried peppers and chilis
⦁ Fry tomatos into a sauce
⦁ Add tomato puree
⦁ Add spiced butter to give it flavour
⦁ Paprika spice, salt, and pepper

Spicy Noodles

Same as above, just add fresh noodles, more chili and spices.

Carrot Pie

⦁ Pie crust
⦁ Make a pie crust from flour, cottage cheese, water, and salt
⦁ Press it into a pie forn
⦁ Pre-bake for 15 minutes

Filling:

⦁ Boil one bag of peeled carrots and mash
⦁ Mix with one box creme fraiche
⦁ Salt and pepper
⦁ (some onion or leeks can be added)
⦁ Grated cheese

Fill the pie crust with the filling and let it bake for half an hour.

Nutroast

⦁ I box walnuts chopped
⦁ One box cottage cheese
⦁ One chopped onion
⦁ 3 handfuls cornflakes
⦁ Some melted butter
⦁ Salt and pepper

Mix until a soft paste and roast in an oven for 45 minutes on 180 degrees.

Mashed potatoes for the nutroast

⦁ Boil and mash the potatos
⦁ Add some butter, milk, and creme fraiche
⦁ Salt and pepper

Spagetti Bolognese

⦁ Nutroast mince
⦁ Fresh spagetti
⦁ Tomatos
⦁ Tomate pure
⦁ Onions
⦁ Butter

Fry the onions. Heat the tomatos into a sauce with tomatopure. Put the nutroast through a blender and mix with the pasta and tomato sauce.

Potato and Tomato Dish

⦁ Boiled and sliced potatoes
⦁ Tomatos
⦁ Tomato pure
⦁ Chopped onion
⦁ Finely chopped paprika
⦁ Milk
⦁ Creme fraiche
⦁ Grated cheese
⦁ Salt and pepper

Take an oven pan and put in the sliced potatoes, add the tomatos, tomato puree, onions, paprika, milk and creme fraiche, salt and pepper, and put grated cheese on top. Bake for half an hour.

Nutroast Mince and Potato Dish

⦁ Nutroast mince
⦁ Potatos
⦁ Tomatos
⦁ Tomato pure
⦁ Milk
⦁ Creme fraiche
⦁ Grated cheese
⦁ Salt and pepper

Make potato mash from boiled potatoes, milk, creme fraiche, salt and pepper. Put the nutroast through a blender and add boiled tomatos and tomato pure. Layer it with the potatos at the bottom, the nutroast mince in the middle, and cheese on top. Bake for 15 minutes.

Potato Dish with Broccoli

⦁ Boiled and sliced potatoes
⦁ Chopped broccoli
⦁ Chopped onion
⦁ Milk
⦁ Creme fraiche
⦁ Grated cheese
⦁ Salt and pepper

Take an oven pan and put in the sliced potatoes, add the tomatos, onions, peppers, with milk and creme fraiche, salt and pepper, and put grated cheese on top. Bake for half an hour.

Corncake

⦁ Take 3 tins of corn or scrape the kernels off three fresh cubs
⦁ Add some cornflour
⦁ Add some normal flour
⦁ Add some milk
⦁ Add some spiced butter
⦁ Add salt and pepper

Run the corn kernels through a food processor to make a paste. Add the flour and cornflour, milk and butter, salt and pepper.

Can be served with mashed potatoes.


This is the kind of food childen will love. It's without meat but very nutritious and better than what people mostly eat. There is some fat added for taste, but that is necessary for flavour, and children need some fat in thier diet. Most diets contain much more fat anyway, and of the unhealthy kind.
 
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^I think guilt is retrospective though, but I think the phrasing of the statement implies the future existence of guilt and the desire to avoid that.

For me, the kindergarten reason as I called it- the disliking of being responsible for violence to another life form- is the most emotionally compelling reason. Logically, it makes sense to try and avoid guilt if one anticipates an act will induce it. Empathy makes violence difficult and painful to oneself and, as social creatures, we have pretty powerful empathy system. I think the 'selfish' motivation behind this reason makes it 'kindergarten'.

But the act of hypocrisy itself is what I wish to be distant from because I do not like or respect the use of violence by humans upon the defenseless whilst we simultaneously describe ourselves as the ultimate outcome of evolution (don't we realise how much we malign that entire concept?). I deeply value the idea of 'innocence' and of valuelessness, a quality I see in animals (by which I mean 'innocent of the murk of morality, prior to the advent of good and evil, without the knowledge of even knowledge etc'). I think that if we wish to believe that we are the things we tell ourselves, we should protect the weak and cherish the simple instead of crushing it. We are of nature but we have simply walked out of it through our behaviour, and so I think we have no choice but to live up to our potential and follow through the choices we have made. The world is to be nurtured and valued, not just according to its utility to humanity but for its inherent value to itself, out of respect for its potential. To that end, I would like to preserve as much life to have its one single brief chance at it as possible. It makes me feel that I might be doing the actual right thing for me :)

I don't think we are evil or sinful, just lost. Maybe we will always be, but I'm frankly scared to give up trying to find something...

Ha :)



A good post as you raised the idea of having vegan/vegetarian children, which I don't think was brought up prior to this. :)

I think you are talking about the 2 sides to this debate; the ethical side and the nutritional side. As Foreverafter said, either diet can be healthy or unhealthy. Its utterly up to the individual to use their brains. In that sense, the topic becomes purely philosphical as no objective difference can be discerned in terms of nutrition. And given that this is the philosophy forum, and the not the health section, of course the topic is going to become philosophical- and to repeat Foreveraf

I'm not sure what you mean by yellow kids either. But I don't plan to force my choices upon my future children whatever colour they are :D As I have said, this is a personal choice for me, not one that I can make for anyone else.

wow, that was beautiful. I couldnt have said it better obviously as english is my second language. wonderful
 
A homeless kitten wandered into a zoo in St. Petersburg, Russia and became instant friends with a lynx.

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Even the most predatory animals have a loving side to them. Animals are superior in love in a way.
 
a homeless kitten wandered into a zoo in st. Petersburg, russia and became instant friends with a lynx.

Even the most predatory animals have a loving side to them. Animals are superior in love in a way.

lol :)
 
To be realistic vegetarian food is better than what most people eat, at least if someone knows how to cook, because it's home-made and prepared from high-quality raw-materials.

Most people just eat cheap processed and frozen food most of the time. It's not like they eat steak and high-quality meat all the time so there are no advantages to it. No one are going to miss burgers, sausages, and shitty frozen pizzas.

You don't really need to give up anything in the way of health or taste, but you need to give up something in the way of habit and convenience, and live with the social stigma of not being like everyone else.
 
I barely ever eat processed food... mostly I eat vegetables and fruits and grains that I cook myself. I often add some chicken but I also often don't. I cook for myself once or twice a day and I generally make 4 or 5 servings at once for my dinner meal and eat it for 2 days. I love burgers but I make my own with organic free-range beef. The thought of processed or frozen food does not appetize me anymore. I also cut out refined sugar... I used to love candy and crap but now I don't miss it at all, after a period of missing it really badly. Cooking is an awesome pasttime and I've gotten really good at it.
 
That's great. I have to make my own food. But most people mostly eat ready-meals or de-frostable foods.
 
Perhaps an animals love is less conditional or more altruistic then humans, with all our requirements and desires and expectations...

Indeed, altruistic like no humans could ever be imo of course.
 
definitely. I cook every day and everything I do is home made. I eat eggs every morning with beans in maple sirop, or oatmeal, or pancakes.
I eat a salad every day made with cucumber, carotts, cabbage, tomatoes and romaines. I eat lots of fruits, lots of earthy soup like pea soup, black eye pea stews, minestrones. Lots of ratatouille, tofu, nuts, seeds. Also make often indian lentills. Cheese is also eaten everyday and milk. I find most meat, when I go to friends ect quite untasty and I dont really like the taste anymore. besides a good burger, but Ive learn to cook so good that I still am very eating what I like and love, just no meat anymore
To be realistic vegetarian food is better than what most people eat, at least if someone knows how to cook, because it's home-made and prepared from high-quality raw-materials.

Most people just eat cheap processed and frozen food most of the time. It's not like they eat steak and high-quality meat all the time so there are no advantages to it. No one are going to miss burgers, sausages, and shitty frozen pizzas.

You don't really need to give up anything in the way of health or taste, but you need to give up something in the way of habit and convenience, and live with the social stigma of not being like everyone else.

the secret for a good pasta sauce? lots and lots of olive oil and salt. The salt is necessary and the oil also, you need put a lot of it. one can of tomato paste for one can of whole tomatoes. My girlfriend is italien, got the recipe from teh family lol
 
When I make pasta sauce I start with 3 or 4 pounds of fresh tomatoes, and simmer them with carrots, celery, onions, salt, pepper, and often various peppers, for several hours until it turns into sauce. Much better than using canned tomato paste, though more expensive too (unless you grow your own). I usually use butter instead of olive oil but just some oil or other is necessary for sure.

My favorite recipe right now is the stuff I mentioned above plus 1 habanero, 1 serrano, 1 jalapeno, and 1 banana pepper. Remove the seeds from the hot peppers unless you like it REALLY hot. Then when it's down to a good sauce consistency, partially smash it up so it's more uniform, and add some heavy whipping cream to taste. I also add chicken usually but that's totally optional. Then eat over noodles or rice. So good! Enough salt is really important in cooking, for example my mom has this idea that salt is bad for you so she doesn't use any and everything she makes is bland. Salt is important for bringing flavors together and bringing out the flavors in almost anything, plus it's essential to our survival (just as long as you don't eat too much - processed foods usually contain loads of salt).

That's great. I have to make my own food. But most people mostly eat ready-meals or de-frostable foods.

Yeah they do, it's sad. Most of my friends only eat fast food or frozen/boxed stuff. Sometimes I'll bring over real food and cook it at their houses and they're always like holy shit, this is amazing.

My yard is too shady (I live in the forest) to grow vegetables, though some herbs I can grow... I just got in on a community garden at my friend's place so this year I am going to grow a large percentage of my vegetables, I'm so excited! :)
 
Yeah they do, it's sad. Most of my friends only eat fast food or frozen/boxed stuff.

Yes, which makes most people's nutrition argument something that works more in theory than in practice, and it taste pretty shitty compared to home-made food, too, even if it's without meat.

I like to use a combination of fresh tomatos and tomato paste but I only heat them long enough to make them soft. I also like to eat food with as much LIFE in it as possible. This is also important as it gives you more vitality and heightens your mood. But there's not so much life in most meat as most can't afford to eat raw steak, etc. much of the time.

Vitality is also viewed as a form of intoxicant in spiritual literature. "It's easy for kids to be happy because they have so much vitality" etc. Fresh fruit juice definitely makes me feel noticably better.
 
Yeah fruit juice is one of the greatest things ever. If I have it I go through it really fast, I should buy it more often but I wish it was cheaper. In this community garden I mentioned there are a bunch of mature fruit trees - apple, pear, and another one I can't remember right now. Maybe I can make my own fruit juice this summer/fall.

Pre-packaged food definitely doesn't taste anywhere near as good as homemade, fresh food. I've spent the last 6 years cooking a lot (more and more, this year I only cook my own food finally), and I've gotten really good at cooking as a result. The food I make is better than food I can get even at 95% of restaurants I've been to (with a few exceptions for really exceptional places). It's so fun and rewarding to make your own food. I'm dating a girl who makes her own almond milk and a bunch of other things too so I get access to a bunch of stuff I had never thought to make before.
 
Yes, it's more like:

1) Home-made food
2) Catered/Restaurant food
3) Store-bought/Junk food
 
Yeah I live in a community that is huge on fresh, local food... any restaurant in the downtown here that wants to stay open sources its food from local farms, including the meat (for example there's a wonderful farm with all organic and free-range animals just down the road from me that a lot of places - and myself - get meat from). The food here is incredible. So I guess I'm spoiled. Even so I like my food better than almost all of them. There's this French place that just knocks my socks off though.
 
lol, this will be totally OT, but you dont need to simmer your pasta sauce for more then 30 minutes. after 30 minutes, all the acidity contained in the tomatoes are evaporated.
italian trick is all :). it seems the traiditon is lots of olive oil, little oregano, a oignons, tomato paste and tomatoe. at least in my girlfriend family. amazing recipe!

yeah, pre packaged food is garbage. honestly, i find it sad what is being offered to us in the super market. the lobby of food is a terrible thing and why dont we see lentils, barley, quinoa in pre made food is weird to me.
 
I like the acidity. It tastes more fresh and alive. Over-boiled tastes more dead. I prefer butter to most oils too (most oils are hydogenated).
 
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