Shaal
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Hi all,
I thought it could be a good idea to share this experience here, wether some of you have experienced the same symptoms and can advise me, or some people can gain knowledge from what happened. In a nutshell: isopropylphenidate abuse (+ previous MXP use), bladder damage, vasovagal syncope / epilepsy, hospital.
Last week, I have been (ab)using isopropylphenidate (approximately 60 mg on tuesday, 45 mg on wednesday, 50 mg on thursday, 20 mg on friday). This is the 2nd time I use it that often in one single week. I started using it as a study aid since the vendors I use have stopped stocking 2-fma. I also have been using MXP for the past 3 week-ends, one dose per week-end (one dose was 25 mg, second was 95 mg, third was 60 mg and it was on friday night, so the bladder pains had alread started the day before). On the first two of these occasions, the MXP was taken with various psychedelics (reasonable doses), and also MXE. I also smoke weed daily in the evening.
So, to the point: I started having bladder pain on thursday night (urethra pain as well, much less intense). Not that intense, but still pretty nasty. I attributed it to the isopropylphenidate. I had nearly no pain after that thursday (note: I took 60 mg MXP on friday night). Until sunday night. I was watching Star Wars, lying in bed, I had smoked weed not so long ago, when I started to feel the pain again. I got up, went to pee, it was hurting. I was checking if there was no blood in my urine (there was nothing). And then, suddenly, the feeling you get when you start to faint creeped over me, but so quickly I only had the reflex to lean towards the wall. The colours changed suddenly, everything went dark, and from this point I remember nothing. I was unconscious before hitting the floor (I've had sensations of fainting before, especially when getting up quickly from a sitting position, also once when I had taken kratom and smoked strong kief; but this was much more quick and brutal). Fortunately my GF was there, she heard the sound, so she called me, I didn't answer. She then opened the toilet door, and saw me on the floor, kind of convulsing. I was hitting in the air with my feet, and had trouble breathing, making strange throat noises. My eyes were closed, my body was not rigid tho. She kept on calling me, after a while (10 sec) I stopped moving, then woke up 10-15 sec after that, with the pupils very dilated, looking extremely pale, even my lips. After waking up I was feeling extremely weak, as if I could faint again anytime. I went to open the window, breathed fresh air, ate a lot of honey, then went back to bed with my legs elevated. I was really scared that I could faint and go in that state again. Also I was scared to go piss and that it would trigger the crisis again. On the bed, my legs were trembling a lot (like an adrenaline response) and I had to do a very a strong effort to contain them from trembling. I had trouble finding my pulse, and it seemed pretty fast. A few minutes later the ambulance people confirmed this (125 bpm).
Also, I don't know when it happened (maybe during the whole syncope episode, maybe only at the begenning, or only when I came to consciouness again, I'm kind of confused about the order), but I had massive hallucinations. It was like someone was playing 15 songs at the same time in my head, at maximum volume, and I was seeing extra-bright flashes of white light, with some colours and bright lines connecting the spots where the flashes where appearing. It was so intense and brutal that I now feel like if this happens again, my brain won't be able to take it. When I came back to consciousness, thanks to my GF calling me, it pretty hard, like there was a pull to keep me unconscious. Like when I woke up from that general anaesthesia for the wisdom teeth. I have no memories of anything between the moment I lost consciouness and the moment I gained it back. It's like time stopped, only in reality, approx. 1 min had passed.
Right after this episode, my GF called the emergency doctor number, they said to call the ambulance. She did, I was taken to the closest hospital. They ran an urine test, I asked for the results, they didn't give them to me (I don't know why, maybe there was nothing significant). They kept me for some time and told me to go home and see my doctor. Which I did, I saw her today. Right now I'm still having slight pain at the bladder, and also urine leaks out a little after I go pee. I've also started to feel the fainting feeling again, very slight, when urinating, but I wonder if this is not my mind playing me. I now urinate only while sitting.
For the doctors, the main hypothesis is a vagal syncope, but they also hesitate with epilepsy (because of what seems like convulsions). They don't really seem to know what happened. The consciouness loss part seems troubling to my doctor, for a simple vagal response. I run an electroencephalography test on thursday. I'll also have to run a CT scan. I have told my doctor about the substances (at the hospital I only told them I had been taking ketamine).
Personnally, I think that maybe it was a combination of factors (the pain at the bladder, being high, getting up suddenly, anxiety of having a urinary issue, and recent substance use). I've read about people having syncopes from weed consumption only. I wonder if anyone having a syncope has the hallucination symptoms, because frankly that was the worst part...
Now I won't use MXP anymore, and especially isopropylphenidate. I have read here about someone ingesting a lot of it and having blood in his urine. I also read this very interesting post by Solipsis about substance consumption - induced bladder damage.
I hope this post can be of use. If anyone has had or knows these symptoms, or just wants to help, thanks by advance for your response!
See you!
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I thought it could be a good idea to share this experience here, wether some of you have experienced the same symptoms and can advise me, or some people can gain knowledge from what happened. In a nutshell: isopropylphenidate abuse (+ previous MXP use), bladder damage, vasovagal syncope / epilepsy, hospital.
Last week, I have been (ab)using isopropylphenidate (approximately 60 mg on tuesday, 45 mg on wednesday, 50 mg on thursday, 20 mg on friday). This is the 2nd time I use it that often in one single week. I started using it as a study aid since the vendors I use have stopped stocking 2-fma. I also have been using MXP for the past 3 week-ends, one dose per week-end (one dose was 25 mg, second was 95 mg, third was 60 mg and it was on friday night, so the bladder pains had alread started the day before). On the first two of these occasions, the MXP was taken with various psychedelics (reasonable doses), and also MXE. I also smoke weed daily in the evening.
So, to the point: I started having bladder pain on thursday night (urethra pain as well, much less intense). Not that intense, but still pretty nasty. I attributed it to the isopropylphenidate. I had nearly no pain after that thursday (note: I took 60 mg MXP on friday night). Until sunday night. I was watching Star Wars, lying in bed, I had smoked weed not so long ago, when I started to feel the pain again. I got up, went to pee, it was hurting. I was checking if there was no blood in my urine (there was nothing). And then, suddenly, the feeling you get when you start to faint creeped over me, but so quickly I only had the reflex to lean towards the wall. The colours changed suddenly, everything went dark, and from this point I remember nothing. I was unconscious before hitting the floor (I've had sensations of fainting before, especially when getting up quickly from a sitting position, also once when I had taken kratom and smoked strong kief; but this was much more quick and brutal). Fortunately my GF was there, she heard the sound, so she called me, I didn't answer. She then opened the toilet door, and saw me on the floor, kind of convulsing. I was hitting in the air with my feet, and had trouble breathing, making strange throat noises. My eyes were closed, my body was not rigid tho. She kept on calling me, after a while (10 sec) I stopped moving, then woke up 10-15 sec after that, with the pupils very dilated, looking extremely pale, even my lips. After waking up I was feeling extremely weak, as if I could faint again anytime. I went to open the window, breathed fresh air, ate a lot of honey, then went back to bed with my legs elevated. I was really scared that I could faint and go in that state again. Also I was scared to go piss and that it would trigger the crisis again. On the bed, my legs were trembling a lot (like an adrenaline response) and I had to do a very a strong effort to contain them from trembling. I had trouble finding my pulse, and it seemed pretty fast. A few minutes later the ambulance people confirmed this (125 bpm).
Also, I don't know when it happened (maybe during the whole syncope episode, maybe only at the begenning, or only when I came to consciouness again, I'm kind of confused about the order), but I had massive hallucinations. It was like someone was playing 15 songs at the same time in my head, at maximum volume, and I was seeing extra-bright flashes of white light, with some colours and bright lines connecting the spots where the flashes where appearing. It was so intense and brutal that I now feel like if this happens again, my brain won't be able to take it. When I came back to consciousness, thanks to my GF calling me, it pretty hard, like there was a pull to keep me unconscious. Like when I woke up from that general anaesthesia for the wisdom teeth. I have no memories of anything between the moment I lost consciouness and the moment I gained it back. It's like time stopped, only in reality, approx. 1 min had passed.
Right after this episode, my GF called the emergency doctor number, they said to call the ambulance. She did, I was taken to the closest hospital. They ran an urine test, I asked for the results, they didn't give them to me (I don't know why, maybe there was nothing significant). They kept me for some time and told me to go home and see my doctor. Which I did, I saw her today. Right now I'm still having slight pain at the bladder, and also urine leaks out a little after I go pee. I've also started to feel the fainting feeling again, very slight, when urinating, but I wonder if this is not my mind playing me. I now urinate only while sitting.
For the doctors, the main hypothesis is a vagal syncope, but they also hesitate with epilepsy (because of what seems like convulsions). They don't really seem to know what happened. The consciouness loss part seems troubling to my doctor, for a simple vagal response. I run an electroencephalography test on thursday. I'll also have to run a CT scan. I have told my doctor about the substances (at the hospital I only told them I had been taking ketamine).
Personnally, I think that maybe it was a combination of factors (the pain at the bladder, being high, getting up suddenly, anxiety of having a urinary issue, and recent substance use). I've read about people having syncopes from weed consumption only. I wonder if anyone having a syncope has the hallucination symptoms, because frankly that was the worst part...
Now I won't use MXP anymore, and especially isopropylphenidate. I have read here about someone ingesting a lot of it and having blood in his urine. I also read this very interesting post by Solipsis about substance consumption - induced bladder damage.
I hope this post can be of use. If anyone has had or knows these symptoms, or just wants to help, thanks by advance for your response!
See you!
Tagged by Xorkoth
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substancecode_dissociatives
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exptype_overdose
roacode_oral
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