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Varenicline (Champix) - Does it work?

mrephedrine69 said:
I found the 'my time to quit' really annoying actually as they email you all the frikking time with really gay 'you can do it' messages.

The Champix worked that well for me that I didnt need anything else except a little willpower!
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Yeah thought as much. Was there anything else to it, or just BS messages. Argh, I gave them my ph number to, I'm a fool!
 
Anyway, back to the champix;

What day into the first course did other people stop smoking? And by that stage did you feel the drug was working, ie. cig's tasting like shit and not doing anything? Do you sort of know when you're meant to stop just from the effects.

I've picked the 11th day into the course to stop.
 
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Just wanted to keep this on the front page

And what is it about this book you guys have mentioned. If I'm doing champix then it couldn't hurt to have a read of it as well, if it is as successful as lill angel says
 
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Allen Carr Website
 
bit_pattern said:
Anyway, back to the champix;

What day into the first course did other people stop smoking? And by that stage did you feel the drug was working, ie. cig's tasting like shit and not doing anything? Do you sort of know when you're meant to stop just from the effects.

I've picked the 11th day into the course to stop.
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Can't remember what day into the course I completely stopped. I think I just went by the guidelines given by gp. It felt like the drug was working pretty much by the first day and I found I cut back heaps straight away as they did nothing and tasted like crap so you may find yourself stopping sooner than they say, though no pressure to do so.

Someone else I spoke to said the champix did nothing and they smoked more lol. Spose it can work differently on everyone. The only thing to watch is the side-effect they say of depression and suicidal thoughts though this was not a huge thing for me and I am the most depressed/suicidal person at the best of times. If anything I felt better.
 
I actually stopped on day 3 - i had a full pkt of smokes i bought the night before.. woke up and didnt feel like one.. and havnt had a smoke since.
 
^^ Fuck. I had that feeling on the second day, but decided to smoke a splif just cos I had eight days of smoking I figured I may as well. Hope I didn't blow my chances, because I feel like smoking still now. I just went up to night and day dosages, might finish this pack and then not buy anymore.

Lil Angel - What's his pitch?
 
Two of my friends have tried this, one of them has quit, one of them got back on to it a couple of weeks after the end of the course.
 
According to someone I spoke with a month or so ago, there was an article in a magazine (don't know which) that claimed Allen Carr started smoking again in his last years. Don't know how true it is, but a local doctor who always recommended his book had also heard it, and so now recommends varenicline.

Speaking of which; my girl took this for 3 months, and during that time she still occasionally had a cig - usually after a hard day or when with friends who smoked. Now, some months later, she will still have the odd one. So, for her, there's no nicotine withdrawal factor at all, it's merely the pleasure she derives from smoking tobacco.
 
lil angel15 said:
Basically, that smoking a cigarette is only enjoyable to ease the withdrawal from the previous cigarette. A revolving door of sorts.
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Yeah, see I already know that so I don't think a book would really help me. I'm on my 5th day now, still smoking, not making me feel sick (well, no more than usual anyway) and still getting cravings, ciggies will run out by tonight and can't see myself getting through tomorrow without nicotine but don't want to buy another pack. I guess this is where the hard part begins :(
 
So, 24 hours in with no nicotine - first time in about 17 years - 6 days into the course, I feel like a kid on a bike 'Look ma! No hands!'

What a curious drug this is! I've gotten pretty frantic at times but you can really distinguish between the psychological urge to smoke, which is more powerful than i'd imagined, and the actual physical cravings that I use to get before Champix. Fascinating really.

I see what people mean about still needing willpower but is a whole different kettle of fish (who the heck puts fish in kettles anyway? Sounds like a concept from a Dali painting...) to the irrational need to smoke normally. Dreams have been full on, but I've been too out of it on temzapam to really remember them, but I've stupidly eaten nearly all of them and I've only seen my doctor once before and he was already so-so about giving me benzo's on my first visit, so I won't get anymore out of him so the dreams should start kicking my arse pretty soon. Other than that, no real side effects to speak of, slight nausea for the first few days but nothing now.

It took awhile to start working but when it did I knew about it - kind of reminded me of acid, when you take some, think you feel it after half an hour then it goes away, two hours later you start cursing the creep who burned you because nothing's happening (with apologies to HST ;)), then all of a sudden, BOOM, you know about it. Ciggies taste like shit, makes you feel sick, then you stop smoking and everything has a strange calmness about it, everything is OK, you WANT to smoke but there is no burning fucking need where you might rip your own eyes out if you don't smoke something NOW.

Highly recommend it at this point
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Drinking a bottle of champa's atm, so that should be a good test of my willpower, wouldn't want to be drinking around smokers just yet though. Quarantining myself from my friends because I don't think I know anyone who doesn't at least smoke weed mixed with tobacco. I really AM going to miss bongs though :(
 
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Man, cough has gotten really bad? You reckon I have cancer or my lungs just readjusting? Thwy stil hurt. Just my luck, karmic irony, if I finally gave up inhaling death )tobacco, weed, meth) killed me just hen I made the effolrt to stop. Hreek tragedy in action? Or my body readjusting you think?

I wish i wa sdead right now, no fun to look forward too, but I love my mum, while she ives then Ikeep strugling. Once she goes, fuck it, what keeps you here, eh?
 
Whenever I don't smoke cigs for a week or two, I get the worst cough and spit up some really disgusting stuff. Must be the body trying to rid itself of the poison now that you've stopped smoking.

Good luck man, it's an awful clingy monkey....
 
bit_pattern, a lot of recently quit smokers tend to be prone to chest infections. It's also quite normal to be coughing up stuff, and being an ex bong smoker, that may go on for quite a while. The great thing is that even after only one day of quitting your body is free of nicotine and within something like 3 days your carbon monoxide bound hemoglobin (carboxyhemoglobin) is again free to carry oxygen (some heavy smokers have up to 10% or more of their hemoglobin deactivated by the more stable binding carbon monoxide). After a month or so, much of the foreign matter will be gone, thanks to the amazing work of macrophages.

Just imagine all those alveolar macrophages cleaning out your lungs - it's accepted that smokers have a higher level of these "dust cells" which no doubt work harder in smokers who inhale deeply as when using a bong. As you can see from the wiki page, macrophages are also intricately involved in the body's defense system, so one might expect things to be initially a little out of whack.

From the wiki link

Aveolar macrophages are frequently seen to contain granules of exogenous material such as particulate carbon that they have picked up from respiratory surfaces. Such black granules may be especially common in smoker's lungs or long-term city dwellers.
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Hope you handle the inevitable test of willpower when socialising....
 
Man, I've got to stop using the internet while drunk and on benzo's!

Thx P_D, god bless those little dust suckers, eh? :D
 
a wonder drug Chantix

Yes, ot does work, for me antway. Not to sat I don't get cravings, especially when you r around other smokers. But I thought seriously about getting arrested si I'd quit, I could NOT do it on my own will power. So my doc did a PA and got me free Chantix. After about 1.5 weeks I was quit. Even relapsed two days ago, went back on the chantix, and I am fine.

Beware: If you have psychological issues, they way become way worse. I always try to be loaded up om TCA's and benzos before I begin chantix therapy because I have anxiety and insomnia. Just like the patch, but for me not as powerful are those vivid dreams. The more confident you are about quitting, these dreams don't seem to bother me. Good Luck, IF I CAN DO IT...ANYONE can do it!
 
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