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Vaporizer when pregnant?

cannabis discussion is a weird place. if she wants to be safe about what she puts in her body, she should skip out pot. who cares if she vapes of smokes; your lungs make a great filter. it's that thc and other active cannaboids rapidly cross the placenta and enter the fetus. i fucking hate this stupid "legalize it" culture. "na man, if God didn't want your unborn child's developing central nervous system exposed to strong psychoactive chemicals, then he wouldn't of put marijuana on the planet... man."
 
What does that have to do with it being legal? People who want to smoke weed when they're pregnant are going to do it regardless of whether or not it's legal. It's not like it being illegal makes it hard to get or anything.

If it was legal at least we could discuss it openly, properly experiment and test and see what possible effects it might have. But no, we can't, it's a horrible horrible illegal drug so we should keep all the information grey and shady so nobody knows what the fuck is actually going on for sure. Great.
 
^you in the US? i am not criticizing the idea that weed should be legal; i'm a criticizing the idea that weed should be legal because it is benign.
 
What proposed mechanism of toxicity does fetal exposure to THC or other natural cannabinoids result in?
 
i'm not sure; i am not a MD/PhD doing research in the field. i doubt there are many who are. the little research on the subject that does take place is extremely limited, given the idea of ethics in science. but in addition to any possibility of toxicity, they are chemicals altering NT levels while neurons are growing and synapses are forming. not very far fetched to think that chemically altering NT activity in a developing CNS might affect that development.

The CNS is one of the final frontiers, but i don't think orangpopcicle's friend wants to offer up her unborn child for use in research.
 
Once again you skipped the question. In the absence of evidence, what leads you to believe it would be harmful instead of beneficial to the fetus?

Are you just relying on some kind of faith in pop culture's idea of common sense?
 
No, I'm using my real world common sense.

The one that says the baby has a predisposed way in which it is meant to grow, via its deoxyribonucleic acid. Remember jurassic park? Then factor in that eating incorrectly, taking drugs, etc. etc. will either have no effect, or will affect the baby's growth.

Now I want you to define "beneficial" for the fetus, when the only result is to CHANGE the baby from its natural predisposed development, or to have no effect on it.

In my mind, even if you make the baby smarter, you're still fucking it up. It's not going to be the person it is, it's going to be the person you made it into.

Unless your version of "non pop culture common sense" says that pummeling an unborn fetus with a known mental disorder or something will somehow fix it. Or fix its missing/extra/etc dna. I wonder who's common sense is more sensible.
 
Beneficial in the way that additional L-lysine or eicosapentaenoic acid in the diet would be beneficial. Or lycopene. You know? DNA does not contain instructions for or even the possibility of an optimal neurochemical balance or nutrition. The food you eat consists of thousands of chemicals; most are harmful or beneficial in different ways or contexts.
 
Eldaren said:
In my mind, even if you make the baby smarter, you're still fucking it up. It's not going to be the person it is, it's going to be the person you made it into.
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That makes NO SENSE. Genotype is not phenotype, dude.
 
^the first paragraph of my post was a direct response to your question.

and no, i am not relying on pop cultures notion of common sense.

why would you think cannaboids would have positive effects on a developing fetus? The long term effects on the CNS for heavy and habitual adult marijuana users are negative; it's reasonable to think there is some possibility of negative effects (possibly even from a shorter term of exposure and maybe even with more significant effects given the trend in the fetus's response to the exposure of many other psychoactive drugs) on that same CNS during its developing stages.

edit:whoa, a lot got said before i posted this. and i've gotten into arguments with coolio before; i know where this thread is going. best to your friend's kid, popcicle. i'm out.
 
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Because cannabinoids are proven to be neuroprotective against all kinds of neuronal stresses; also they're potent anti-inflammatories and breast milk from the average mother would be highly inflammatory as the fatty acid content is full of omega-6's and trans fats.

There are no studies which show negative long term effects on the CNS. At best you have correlations between heavy users and some effect; there's no way to control for other factors in the type of study you're referring to.

Without a proposed mechanism for toxicity, and not a single cited case that can be used as evidence in favor of harmfulness, what possible reason could one conclude something is harmful?
 
Yeah I'm done with this. I was making a retarded comparison because I think your reasoning is on an equivalent level. However I am far from anything to do with biology or biological sciences, so I'm going to withdraw my comments.
 
rofl, this thread just got retarded.

"even if smoking pot while pregnant makes your baby smarter.." aahahahhahahaaaa
 
ok i didnt read all the posts, but im sure everyone already said this. NO!!!!!!
brain development is a very delicate process. cannabis gets you high because it acts like a chemical that naturally occurs in the brain (and has a very important role). if you start screwing around with the chemical balance while a fetus is developing, the brain will turn out differently than if things where totally natural.
 
Great ideas... and obviously these are all just personal imputes... I agree and disagree with some of you.

There just hasn't been enough research done on the subject, and that is why there is so much debate.

So that's why really... it just goes right down to what you personally think.

I think for myself, I would probably not vap, or use any drugs for that matter... but I would not think less of people who would use Vap when they are pregnant. Smoking/vaping weed is known to help with morning sickness, and just make the person feel better all together. Although no real facts exist whether THC really affects the baby or not. These are all theories, but no real facts.

I know many parents who have smoked weed(even cigarettes) through pregnancy, and their children turned out just fine(with no problems), everyone is different and everyone reacts differently.

Some say that people who smoke weed during pregnancy have calmer babies, others say they grow faster... but these are all just theories.

This is not a debate about whether weed should be legal or not... but I agree if it was, it would be way more researched.

Also, I understand why some people from the US would be biased... since if the doctors find THC(or any drug) in the mother's body, they can take their child away, but I live in Canada and stuff like that doesn't happen for weed.

Many of you talk about "risk"... but you don't really know what that "risk" is...
 
There has been a very extensive study done by a Dr. Melanie Dreher, just google her name, the study is official. But anyway, she found, while working in Jamaica, that there is no toxic effect on a fetus from marijuana exposure. In fact, the babies were found to be more secure and 5 years later were years ahead of their non-exposed peers. Those are facts in a very well recognized, unbiased study. THE only study ever formally done with controls and NOT government funded. Smoking or vaporizing ANYTHING is not the best choice while pregnant for the obvious lack of oxygen to the baby problem. But eating bud is a better option, in light to moderate use, I think it is fine. That being said, I am pregnant and choose to not partake during...not because I feel it would cause harm to my baby, just because I prefer not too.
 
Do not smoke weed while pregnant.

If your child tests positive then he/she could be removed from you and you can be indicated for child neglect.
 
I think anyone who uses cannabis should know that cannabinoids will change the way the mind works to a degree. I'm not saying that the difference is huge or even bad really, but there is certainly going to be some adaptation made to cannabinoid exposure at any point in life.

I would recommend that if she is going to do this, to do it infrequently and to keep the dose reasonable. I would also recommend eating it over vaporizing.
 
phactor said:
Do not smoke weed while pregnant.

If your child tests positive then he/she could be removed from you and you can be indicated for child neglect.
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Under barbaric regimes. Plenty of people live in places where this doesn't happen, and plenty of people are home birthers who don't get their children blood tested for drugs or to have their DNA put in government databases.
 
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